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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Gurkan Erdogdu <cg...@gmail.com> on 2009/09/08 12:30:39 UTC
About Podling Releases
Hi;
I would like to specify some concerns about podling release procedure.
As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans podling , it
takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project. I know
that podling mentors/committers may delay to VOTE because of doing other
business stuffs. But I think that podling releasing is also very important.
With delayed releases, we are not able to attract and diverse our community.
I wonder is that how can we improve podling release process to decrease this
time duration? My proposal is to decrease positive IPMC and PPMC VOTE
numbers to 1 instead of 3. Moreover, maybe it is reasonable to add silence
consensus on podling releases. One can also think that getting positive
votes from podling committers are enough to release without getting IPMC
votes.
Is there any other podlings that are suffering from release procedures?
WDYT?
Thanks;
--Gurkan
Re: About Podling Releases
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Sep 9, 2009, at 3:42 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Gurkan,
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu<cgurkanerdogdu@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> ...As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans
>> podling , it
>> takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project....
>
> What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
> That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
Agreed. There's an active graduation discussion on the OpenWebBeans
dev list.
>
> I had a look at the latest report at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2009, but it doesn't mention
> the "top 2 or 3 things to resolve prior to graduation", what are
> those?
My bad for not teasing this out of the community... So, my only issue,
ATM, is community diversity
>
> On a tangential note, I'm not sure what you mean by "internal
> milestones" - if those are just meant for OpenWebBeans developers, SVN
> tags might be good enough.
Will let community members respond to that, but IMO it's intended for
users, not developers.
--kevan
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Re: About Podling Releases
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Matthias Wessendorf<ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> hey Gurkan,
>
> don't worry that much about the user-base. It will grow....
Agree about that, an active users list it not a requirement for graduation.
Kevan mentions community diversity as something to improve before
graduation, that's of course a more serious problem.
-Bertrand
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Re: About Podling Releases
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
hey Gurkan,
don't worry that much about the user-base. It will grow.
You guys are implementing a pretty new JSR. Once that is used more and
more in the industry,
the users will come to your project.
-Matthias
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu<gu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Bertrand;
>
>>>What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
>>>That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
> Actually this is ongoing discussion in the openwebbeans dev list. There are two solutions here, sub-project under Geronimo or TLP. But community are voted on being a TLP. The problem is that we have not a solid user base (not so much activity around user@.. list). Otherwise, I think that we achieved activitites that are expected from podlings to graduate as a TLP.
>
>>>>On a tangential note, I'm not sure what you mean by "internal
>>>>milestones" - if those are just meant for OpenWebBeans developers, SVN
>>>>tags might be good enough.
> I mean actual podling releases, not SVN tags. For example, we released M1 and M2. Now M3 is under VOTE.
>
> --Gurkan
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:42:35 AM
> Subject: Re: About Podling Releases
>
> Hi Gurkan,
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu<cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans podling , it
>> takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project....
>
> What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
> That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
>
> I had a look at the latest report at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2009, but it doesn't mention
> the "top 2 or 3 things to resolve prior to graduation", what are
> those?
>
> On a tangential note, I'm not sure what you mean by "internal
> milestones" - if those are just meant for OpenWebBeans developers, SVN
> tags might be good enough.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: About Podling Releases
Posted by Gurkan Erdogdu <gu...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Bertrand;
>>What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
>>That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
Actually this is ongoing discussion in the openwebbeans dev list. There are two solutions here, sub-project under Geronimo or TLP. But community are voted on being a TLP. The problem is that we have not a solid user base (not so much activity around user@.. list). Otherwise, I think that we achieved activitites that are expected from podlings to graduate as a TLP.
>>>On a tangential note, I'm not sure what you mean by "internal
>>>milestones" - if those are just meant for OpenWebBeans developers, SVN
>>>tags might be good enough.
I mean actual podling releases, not SVN tags. For example, we released M1 and M2. Now M3 is under VOTE.
--Gurkan
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From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:42:35 AM
Subject: Re: About Podling Releases
Hi Gurkan,
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu<cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans podling , it
> takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project....
What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
I had a look at the latest report at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2009, but it doesn't mention
the "top 2 or 3 things to resolve prior to graduation", what are
those?
On a tangential note, I'm not sure what you mean by "internal
milestones" - if those are just meant for OpenWebBeans developers, SVN
tags might be good enough.
-Bertrand
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Re: About Podling Releases
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Gurkan,
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu<cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans podling , it
> takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project....
What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
I had a look at the latest report at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2009, but it doesn't mention
the "top 2 or 3 things to resolve prior to graduation", what are
those?
On a tangential note, I'm not sure what you mean by "internal
milestones" - if those are just meant for OpenWebBeans developers, SVN
tags might be good enough.
-Bertrand
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Re: About Podling Releases
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30, Gurkan Erdogdu<cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I would like to specify some concerns about podling release procedure.
>
> As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans podling , it
> takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project. I know
> that podling mentors/committers may delay to VOTE because of doing other
> business stuffs. But I think that podling releasing is also very important.
> With delayed releases, we are not able to attract and diverse our community.
>
> I wonder is that how can we improve podling release process to decrease this
> time duration? My proposal is to decrease positive IPMC and PPMC VOTE
> numbers to 1 instead of 3. Moreover, maybe it is reasonable to add silence
> consensus on podling releases. One can also think that getting positive
> votes from podling committers are enough to release without getting IPMC
> votes.
Mmhh. These are all mandatory rules to release as a proper Apache
project, which the Incubation is to teach to the podlings.
So I don't think it would be helpful or possible to relax those rules.
Knowing how to do proper releases is considered by many the main
exiting criteria.
> Is there any other podlings that are suffering from release procedures?
I'm sure there are.
> WDYT?
I don't know your particular project's situation, but here are some
suggestions to streamline the release process:
+ Get more mentors onboard, which really care for your project and
provide prompt feedback.
+ Set a deadline for the vote (a vote must run for at least 72 hours,
longer is ok.)
+ Send a reminder 1 day before the vote runs out
HTH,
Bernd
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