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Posted to users@flex.apache.org by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> on 2013/03/22 10:06:00 UTC
Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Hi,
Currently the beta labs version of AIR 3.7 doesn't support being used with Apache Flex easily ie you can't overlay the AIR 3.7 SDK on the Flex SDK like it was possible with pervious versions of the AIR SDK. I've raised the issue with Adobe at these too links if you could add your support by adding a message and/or voting for Adobe to support Apache Flex that would be great.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5168823#5168823
https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3526506
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Posted by Lucas Junqueira / Ciclope <lu...@ciclope.art.br>.
That's true: it's beta, so issues (even big ones like this) may happen...
Let's vote!
2013/3/22 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> Hi,
>
> > I'm shocked and just vote as you recommended.
> > Is this is only a mistake or strategy by Adobe?
>
> I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet, it is the first release of a
> labs/beta versions on AIR and later versions of AIR 3.7 may support Apache
> Flex.
>
> It would be nice if they publicly stated they will support Apache Flex
> going forward.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> I'm shocked and just vote as you recommended.
> Is this is only a mistake or strategy by Adobe?
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet, it is the first release of a labs/beta versions on AIR and later versions of AIR 3.7 may support Apache Flex.
It would be nice if they publicly stated they will support Apache Flex going forward.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Posted by Swen van Zanten <fl...@hdsign.nl>.
voted!
Op 22 mrt. 2013, om 10:57 heeft Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com> het volgende geschreven:
> Many thanks for the hint.
> I'm shocked and just vote as you recommended.
> Is this is only a mistake or strategy by Adobe?
>
> Olaf
>
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> Von: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. März 2013 10:06
> An: users@flex.apache.org
> Betreff: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
>
> Hi,
>
> Currently the beta labs version of AIR 3.7 doesn't support being used with Apache Flex easily ie you can't overlay the AIR 3.7 SDK on the Flex SDK like it was possible with pervious versions of the AIR SDK. I've raised the issue with Adobe at these too links if you could add your support by adding a message and/or voting for Adobe to support Apache Flex that would be great.
>
> http://forums.adobe.com/message/5168823#5168823
>
> https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3526506
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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AW: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Posted by Krüger,
Olaf <OK...@edscha.com>.
Many thanks for the hint.
I'm shocked and just vote as you recommended.
Is this is only a mistake or strategy by Adobe?
Olaf
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. März 2013 10:06
An: users@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Hi,
Currently the beta labs version of AIR 3.7 doesn't support being used with Apache Flex easily ie you can't overlay the AIR 3.7 SDK on the Flex SDK like it was possible with pervious versions of the AIR SDK. I've raised the issue with Adobe at these too links if you could add your support by adding a message and/or voting for Adobe to support Apache Flex that would be great.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5168823#5168823
https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3526506
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Air 3.7 and Apache Flex
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for everyone who voted and made some noise about AIR 3.7. Chris has just posted that Adobe will release a version of AIR 3.7 that is compatible with Apache Flex when it ships and hopefully a version on labs before then.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5171561#5171561
Justin
Re: Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by atauri <da...@gmail.com>.
Hello. I am triyng to use the class appudater to auto update apps (desktop
or android out of the google market) but I got the following error:
I cant make the import air.update.bla bla bla
NOT FOUND!
Anyone has used it?
2013/3/29 atauri <da...@gmail.com>
> hi, maybe you should look for air appupdater in google. i didnt tried it
> but i will do it soon... good luck
> El 28/03/2013 16:43, "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com> escribió:
>
> On 28/03/2013 15:30, Air Masters wrote:
>>
>>> For my Air App, How Do My "Export Release Build" To Update a
>>> pre-installed App
>>>
>> As far as I know, you just update the version details in the .xml files,
>> reexport, and then give it to your users, submit it to Google for approval
>> or whatever you did for the prior version.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>
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Re: Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by atauri <da...@gmail.com>.
hi, maybe you should look for air appupdater in google. i didnt tried it
but i will do it soon... good luck
El 28/03/2013 16:43, "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com> escribió:
> On 28/03/2013 15:30, Air Masters wrote:
>
>> For my Air App, How Do My "Export Release Build" To Update a
>> pre-installed App
>>
> As far as I know, you just update the version details in the .xml files,
> reexport, and then give it to your users, submit it to Google for approval
> or whatever you did for the prior version.
>
> Tom
>
Re: Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by Tom Chiverton <tc...@extravision.com>.
On 28/03/2013 15:30, Air Masters wrote:
> For my Air App, How Do My "Export Release Build" To Update a
> pre-installed App
As far as I know, you just update the version details in the .xml files,
reexport, and then give it to your users, submit it to Google for
approval or whatever you did for the prior version.
Tom
Re: Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by Mark Line <ma...@gmail.com>.
Oh right bump the version in the application description file, its normally
called [projectname]-app.xml
Publish to the app store and you will be prompted to update (i assume you
are talking about a mobile app).
On 28 March 2013 15:30, Air Masters <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
> For my Air App, How Do My "Export Release Build" To Update a pre-installed
> App
>
>
> On 03/28/2013 10:18 AM, Mark Line wrote:
>
>> Do by apps do you mean mobile apps? or desktop apps?
>>
>> Either way that isn't anything to do with the Flex sdk?
>>
>> Are you having problems with an android phone/device with an old version
>> of
>> air or Flash installed. If it came shipped/preinstalled you can't remove
>> it
>> as its marked as a system app in android.
>>
>> Well you can remove it if you root your device.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 March 2013 14:35, Air Masters <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All!!
>>>
>>> Could you please point to me, where can I Find some Info, How Do I Update
>>> a pre-installed Air/Mobil Apps
>>> Any Help will be so Appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank You.
>>>
>>>
>
> --
>
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>
Re: Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by Air Masters <ai...@nwahd.com>.
For my Air App, How Do My "Export Release Build" To Update a
pre-installed App
On 03/28/2013 10:18 AM, Mark Line wrote:
> Do by apps do you mean mobile apps? or desktop apps?
>
> Either way that isn't anything to do with the Flex sdk?
>
> Are you having problems with an android phone/device with an old version of
> air or Flash installed. If it came shipped/preinstalled you can't remove it
> as its marked as a system app in android.
>
> Well you can remove it if you root your device.
>
>
>
> On 28 March 2013 14:35, Air Masters <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All!!
>>
>> Could you please point to me, where can I Find some Info, How Do I Update
>> a pre-installed Air/Mobil Apps
>> Any Help will be so Appreciated.
>>
>> Thank You.
>>
--
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NWAPages <http://nwapages.com/>
Re: Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by Mark Line <ma...@gmail.com>.
Do by apps do you mean mobile apps? or desktop apps?
Either way that isn't anything to do with the Flex sdk?
Are you having problems with an android phone/device with an old version of
air or Flash installed. If it came shipped/preinstalled you can't remove it
as its marked as a system app in android.
Well you can remove it if you root your device.
On 28 March 2013 14:35, Air Masters <ai...@nwahd.com> wrote:
> Hi All!!
>
> Could you please point to me, where can I Find some Info, How Do I Update
> a pre-installed Air/Mobil Apps
> Any Help will be so Appreciated.
>
> Thank You.
>
Install Update for Air Apps
Posted by Air Masters <ai...@nwahd.com>.
Hi All!!
Could you please point to me, where can I Find some Info, How Do I
Update a pre-installed Air/Mobil Apps
Any Help will be so Appreciated.
Thank You.
Re: Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by jude <fl...@gmail.com>.
Nice work. I really like this approach. It reminds me of the Label,
RichText, RichEditableText, TextArea.
A couple of things about this to whoever may work on the visual side of
things including myself in the future. I would NOT try to support all the
features in HTML or CSS. I can see it leading down the path of 100s of
other HTML tools before it. All of a sudden it becomes unyielding.
I think it's tempting to want to adopt the CSS features that Flex doesn't
have but I think we should keep feature parity and not get caught up in CSS
and HTML way of doing things. I mean really examine what is going on there
and prevent some of the mistakes that have been made in the past. I mention
this because we are having this discussion in other threads. FXG -> SVG,
HTML5, etc
One mess I would avoid is CSS stylesheets. It's basically one declaration
clobbering the next one where the last one declared wins. Then there's this
important tag that veto's everyone else and even that can be overruled by
another important flag set later on. Even in Flex you can have multiple
type declarations for the same component from all different locations.
Later, when it comes time to determine why your component doesn't look the
way you want you have to untangle the fun ball of twine called CSS to find
out.
I spent a lot of time dealing with this CSS issue in multiple Flex projects
over the years and there are a couple of things that could be done that
would help. There are HTML tools that can take an element and show it's
style inheritance. Firebug is one of them. Flex doesn't have any tools like
this. I don't know if Adobe had ever thought of working on one at one point
but if they did maybe it could get donated?
Another helpful solution would be to use the compiler to show warnings or
errors when types have been declared previously.
Another would be to keep track of where styles have been declared in the
SDK. There is a document property on UIComponent. That same concept could
apply to styles as they are created and applied. Setup a breadcrumb trail
back to the declarations.
I worked on a style inheritance lookup a while back. You can see it here,
http://goo.gl/mD7xK in the getStyleDetails and getStyleInheritence methods.
You could give it a IStyleClient element and it would list it styles by
broadest to narrowest in how they were applied. It was modeled after some
of the CSS tools out there. It was a lot of work to do something that
should have been easy. It isn't finished though. It doesn't take into
account style names declared inline and has a few other unsolved problems
as well. I'm mentioning this again for myself and for discussion.
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3/22/13 8:41 PM, "jude" <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Alex,
> >
> > Do you have a link to the demo that runs in the browser? I couldn't get
> it
> > to render via the SVN whiteboard link. It would always show the contents
> of
> > the file.
> >
> >
> I posted a recent version here: http://people.apache.org/~aharui/FlexJS/
>
> There are four folders:
> bin-debug - Flash debug SWF
> bin-release - Flash release SWF (yes, MXML apps in as little as 25K)
> binjs-debug - Html/JS debug (separate source files)
> binjs-release - Html/JS release (minified file)
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
Re: Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 3/22/13 8:41 PM, "jude" <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex,
>
> Do you have a link to the demo that runs in the browser? I couldn't get it
> to render via the SVN whiteboard link. It would always show the contents of
> the file.
>
>
I posted a recent version here: http://people.apache.org/~aharui/FlexJS/
There are four folders:
bin-debug - Flash debug SWF
bin-release - Flash release SWF (yes, MXML apps in as little as 25K)
binjs-debug - Html/JS debug (separate source files)
binjs-release - Html/JS release (minified file)
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by jude <fl...@gmail.com>.
Alex,
Do you have a link to the demo that runs in the browser? I couldn't get it
to render via the SVN whiteboard link. It would always show the contents of
the file.
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> > I must say this is the first time I new about work stream
> >
> >> Falcon will compile/translate AS into HTML+JS,
> >
> >
> >
> > So a new boy, how could I help out with this work stream in some small
> way
> > ?
> >
> Here is the wiki page for one of the efforts to target HTML/JS. There are
> links to other documents that will let you play with it in FlashBuilder.
> You can participate by providing feedback or trying to port something or
> writing new components.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
Re: Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
>
> I must say this is the first time I new about work stream
>
>> Falcon will compile/translate AS into HTML+JS,
>
>
>
> So a new boy, how could I help out with this work stream in some small way
> ?
>
Here is the wiki page for one of the efforts to target HTML/JS. There are
links to other documents that will let you play with it in FlashBuilder.
You can participate by providing feedback or trying to port something or
writing new components.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by Scott Matheson <sm...@intralinks.com>.
John
Thanks for you input I have been using Flex for 2 years and are very
happy with the tool and just wanted clarity, which you have given me,if
you not involved in the depths this can become confusing, I hope to be
using flex in 10 years, my project has been going for 16 years based on
tool book, and I hope to give it another 10 years with flex
I must say this is the first time I new about work stream
>Falcon will compile/translate AS into HTML+JS,
So a new boy, how could I help out with this work stream in some small way
?
You have made my day
Yes I did know that MXML is translated down to AS, it was just the way
Adobe talk a about the subject I was finding confusing
Scott
On 3/22/13 11:27 AM, "John Cunliffe" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Scott,
>
>as far as I understand:
>
> - It's the Apache Community, not Adobe, who is developing Falcon. While
> Adobe pays some/most of Apache Flex's main contributors, everything
>they do
> for Falcon and Flex is open source - waiting for YOUR contribution.
> - MXML compiles to AS via Flex already now. This process amongst others
> is done via Flex. Search for "*keep*-*generated*-*actionscript*=true"
> for more information
> - Falcon will compile/translate AS into HTML+JS, which will work almost
> anywhere - also on iPads.
> - How well Falcon translates AS/MXML I cannot answer - but technically
> there is no reason why it shouldn't allow for 100%
> - There will always be a performance loss on iPad/Android with HTML/JS
> or Air/AS/MXML compared to native apps. Take a look at Haxe Nme if you
> don't like that. Stay with Flex if you want to reduce your initial and
> long-term coding time.
> - MXML has nothing to doe with component libraries - it's just
> a structured (via XML) way of coding mostly UI hierarchies. mx/halo and
> fx/spark components are already pure AS with a bit of Flex lifecycle
> conventions on top.
> - Mostly it's not a developer's decision what to work with, but your
> client's requirement dictating what environment to work in. The only
> problem is they often don't know what's best for them - but think they
> really do. ;-)
>
>So what's my advice? Get to know flex, do some programming. Get to know
>AngularJS/DartLang/Closure, do some programming. Get to know iPad/Android
>SDK, do some programming. Then compare and evaluate yourself and find out
>what's important to you - because only you will ever really know what's
>best for yourself, and only after trying it out yourself. The choice is
>yours, for better or worse.
>
>Regards
>John
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Scott Matheson
><sm...@intralinks.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Can some one help my understanding
>>
>> Adobe are pushing forward with AS and Falcon, which will not compile
>>MXML
>>
>> Apache Flex community will continure to support and develop AS and MXML,
>> however this version can only compile to Air and iPad if Adobe continue
>>to
>> support MXML which they no longer develop
>>
>> So as a simple small developer, I am left the the prospect of if keep
>> developing in FLEx with MXML I may get left behind by Adobe and not be
>> able to compile to AIR iPad etc. and face the prospect of converting all
>> the MXML in to AS or a 100% rewrite in a different language
>>
>> Should I just stop using MXML and use AS, is there a set of open source
>>AS
>> libraries that will replace MXML, create button, view stack etc, surely
>> every one does not build they own AS libraries for common functions ?
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by John Cunliffe <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Scott,
as far as I understand:
- It's the Apache Community, not Adobe, who is developing Falcon. While
Adobe pays some/most of Apache Flex's main contributors, everything they do
for Falcon and Flex is open source - waiting for YOUR contribution.
- MXML compiles to AS via Flex already now. This process amongst others
is done via Flex. Search for "*keep*-*generated*-*actionscript*=true"
for more information
- Falcon will compile/translate AS into HTML+JS, which will work almost
anywhere - also on iPads.
- How well Falcon translates AS/MXML I cannot answer - but technically
there is no reason why it shouldn't allow for 100%
- There will always be a performance loss on iPad/Android with HTML/JS
or Air/AS/MXML compared to native apps. Take a look at Haxe Nme if you
don't like that. Stay with Flex if you want to reduce your initial and
long-term coding time.
- MXML has nothing to doe with component libraries - it's just
a structured (via XML) way of coding mostly UI hierarchies. mx/halo and
fx/spark components are already pure AS with a bit of Flex lifecycle
conventions on top.
- Mostly it's not a developer's decision what to work with, but your
client's requirement dictating what environment to work in. The only
problem is they often don't know what's best for them - but think they
really do. ;-)
So what's my advice? Get to know flex, do some programming. Get to know
AngularJS/DartLang/Closure, do some programming. Get to know iPad/Android
SDK, do some programming. Then compare and evaluate yourself and find out
what's important to you - because only you will ever really know what's
best for yourself, and only after trying it out yourself. The choice is
yours, for better or worse.
Regards
John
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Scott Matheson
<sm...@intralinks.com>wrote:
> Hi
> Can some one help my understanding
>
> Adobe are pushing forward with AS and Falcon, which will not compile MXML
>
> Apache Flex community will continure to support and develop AS and MXML,
> however this version can only compile to Air and iPad if Adobe continue to
> support MXML which they no longer develop
>
> So as a simple small developer, I am left the the prospect of if keep
> developing in FLEx with MXML I may get left behind by Adobe and not be
> able to compile to AIR iPad etc. and face the prospect of converting all
> the MXML in to AS or a 100% rewrite in a different language
>
> Should I just stop using MXML and use AS, is there a set of open source AS
> libraries that will replace MXML, create button, view stack etc, surely
> every one does not build they own AS libraries for common functions ?
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Falcon & iPad, Air etc
Posted by Scott Matheson <sm...@intralinks.com>.
Hi
Can some one help my understanding
Adobe are pushing forward with AS and Falcon, which will not compile MXML
Apache Flex community will continure to support and develop AS and MXML,
however this version can only compile to Air and iPad if Adobe continue to
support MXML which they no longer develop
So as a simple small developer, I am left the the prospect of if keep
developing in FLEx with MXML I may get left behind by Adobe and not be
able to compile to AIR iPad etc. and face the prospect of converting all
the MXML in to AS or a 100% rewrite in a different language
Should I just stop using MXML and use AS, is there a set of open source AS
libraries that will replace MXML, create button, view stack etc, surely
every one does not build they own AS libraries for common functions ?
Scott
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