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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Charbel Abdul-Massih <ca...@soundbite.com> on 2007/05/23 16:58:57 UTC
JSP pre-compile question
Hi,
I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down, with
a slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first,
then the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full
page...Is there a way to change this and have it render without the
delay???
Thanks,
Charbel
RE: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Al Sutton <al...@alsutton.com>.
Have you tried it on the machine running WebLogic (i.e. using localhost) to
eliminate any network issues?
-----Original Message-----
From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
Sent: 23 May 2007 16:32
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
Hi guys...Thanks for all your help so far, but to answer your questions...
The slowness in rendering the page is very obvious...it's as if the page is
being streamed line by line, from top to bottom...
There are no images on the page...
The page consists of 5 form fields...
The request does not access any DB...
The HTML outputted is only 17KB...
I am running it locally on Weblogic 9.2 and Java 5...
I doubt it's a pre-compile issue now because the slowness and streaming-like
rendering is experienced on every request, not just the first...
Any other ideas???
Thanks,
Charbel
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:22 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
This might also be because you are not specifying heights (and widths) for
images.
If you have any other static widths & heights (menu area, header area
etc) you should specify them too.
Lance.
Al Sutton wrote:
> P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll loose
is
> the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after the
first
> time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version
which
> was compiled for the first page request.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
>
> The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the
data
> about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon
as
> they can after get it.
>
> There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the
user
> (smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
> anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and
chooses to
> render it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: JSP pre-compile question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
>
>
>
> When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down,
with a
> slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first,
then
> the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full
page...Is
> there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Charbel
>
>
>
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RE: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Al Sutton <al...@alsutton.com>.
I think it might be time to get a profiler on the app.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
Sent: 23 May 2007 18:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
Again, Thanks for the suggestions...
I am running weblogic localhost, so there are no network delay issues...
I have the same page in JSF, and it does render right away...
I tried the below suggestions, but still having the same behavior...
Charbel
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:56 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
It sounds like it's a non-struts issue to me.
Try putting the following in the jsp after you draw the form <%
response.getWriter().flush(); %>
If it comes thru quickly there's something after you write the form that's
holding the page up.
You might need some println's with times or a debugger etc to see what's
going on.
> it's as if the page is being streamed line by line, from top to bottom.
This depends on the app server but it could be byte by byte (via
response.getOutputStream())
Charbel Abdul-Massih wrote:
> Hi guys...Thanks for all your help so far, but to answer your
> questions...
>
> The slowness in rendering the page is very obvious...it's as if the
page
> is being streamed line by line, from top to bottom...
>
> There are no images on the page...
>
> The page consists of 5 form fields...
>
> The request does not access any DB...
>
> The HTML outputted is only 17KB...
>
> I am running it locally on Weblogic 9.2 and Java 5...
>
> I doubt it's a pre-compile issue now because the slowness and
> streaming-like rendering is experienced on every request, not just the
> first...
>
> Any other ideas???
>
> Thanks,
> Charbel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:22 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
>
> This might also be because you are not specifying heights (and widths)
> for images.
> If you have any other static widths & heights (menu area, header area
> etc) you should specify them too.
>
> Lance.
>
> Al Sutton wrote:
>
>> P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll
loose
>>
> is
>
>> the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after
the
>>
> first
>
>> time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version
>>
> which
>
>> was compiled for the first page request.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
>> Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
>> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>> Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
>>
>> The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the
>>
> data
>
>> about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon
>>
> as
>
>> they can after get it.
>>
>> There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the
>>
> user
>
>> (smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
>> anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and
>>
> chooses to
>
>> render it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
>> Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
>> To: user@struts.apache.org
>> Subject: JSP pre-compile question
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
>>
>>
>>
>> When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down,
>>
> with a
>
>> slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders
first,
>>
> then
>
>> the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full
>>
> page...Is
>
>> there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charbel
>>
>>
>>
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RE: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Charbel Abdul-Massih <ca...@soundbite.com>.
Again, Thanks for the suggestions...
I am running weblogic localhost, so there are no network delay issues...
I have the same page in JSF, and it does render right away...
I tried the below suggestions, but still having the same behavior...
Charbel
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:56 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
It sounds like it's a non-struts issue to me.
Try putting the following in the jsp after you draw the form
<% response.getWriter().flush(); %>
If it comes thru quickly there's something after you write the form
that's holding the page up.
You might need some println's with times or a debugger etc to see what's
going on.
> it's as if the page is being streamed line by line, from top to
bottom.
This depends on the app server but it could be byte by byte (via
response.getOutputStream())
Charbel Abdul-Massih wrote:
> Hi guys...Thanks for all your help so far, but to answer your
> questions...
>
> The slowness in rendering the page is very obvious...it's as if the
page
> is being streamed line by line, from top to bottom...
>
> There are no images on the page...
>
> The page consists of 5 form fields...
>
> The request does not access any DB...
>
> The HTML outputted is only 17KB...
>
> I am running it locally on Weblogic 9.2 and Java 5...
>
> I doubt it's a pre-compile issue now because the slowness and
> streaming-like rendering is experienced on every request, not just the
> first...
>
> Any other ideas???
>
> Thanks,
> Charbel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:22 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
>
> This might also be because you are not specifying heights (and widths)
> for images.
> If you have any other static widths & heights (menu area, header area
> etc) you should specify them too.
>
> Lance.
>
> Al Sutton wrote:
>
>> P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll
loose
>>
> is
>
>> the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after
the
>>
> first
>
>> time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version
>>
> which
>
>> was compiled for the first page request.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
>> Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
>> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>> Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
>>
>> The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the
>>
> data
>
>> about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon
>>
> as
>
>> they can after get it.
>>
>> There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the
>>
> user
>
>> (smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
>> anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and
>>
> chooses to
>
>> render it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
>> Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
>> To: user@struts.apache.org
>> Subject: JSP pre-compile question
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
>>
>>
>>
>> When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down,
>>
> with a
>
>> slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders
first,
>>
> then
>
>> the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full
>>
> page...Is
>
>> there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charbel
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: user-help@struts.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Lance <la...@marketpipe.com>.
It sounds like it's a non-struts issue to me.
Try putting the following in the jsp after you draw the form
<% response.getWriter().flush(); %>
If it comes thru quickly there's something after you write the form
that's holding the page up.
You might need some println's with times or a debugger etc to see what's
going on.
> it's as if the page is being streamed line by line, from top to bottom.
This depends on the app server but it could be byte by byte (via
response.getOutputStream())
Charbel Abdul-Massih wrote:
> Hi guys...Thanks for all your help so far, but to answer your
> questions...
>
> The slowness in rendering the page is very obvious...it's as if the page
> is being streamed line by line, from top to bottom...
>
> There are no images on the page...
>
> The page consists of 5 form fields...
>
> The request does not access any DB...
>
> The HTML outputted is only 17KB...
>
> I am running it locally on Weblogic 9.2 and Java 5...
>
> I doubt it's a pre-compile issue now because the slowness and
> streaming-like rendering is experienced on every request, not just the
> first...
>
> Any other ideas???
>
> Thanks,
> Charbel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:22 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
>
> This might also be because you are not specifying heights (and widths)
> for images.
> If you have any other static widths & heights (menu area, header area
> etc) you should specify them too.
>
> Lance.
>
> Al Sutton wrote:
>
>> P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll loose
>>
> is
>
>> the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after the
>>
> first
>
>> time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version
>>
> which
>
>> was compiled for the first page request.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
>> Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
>> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>> Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
>>
>> The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the
>>
> data
>
>> about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon
>>
> as
>
>> they can after get it.
>>
>> There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the
>>
> user
>
>> (smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
>> anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and
>>
> chooses to
>
>> render it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
>> Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
>> To: user@struts.apache.org
>> Subject: JSP pre-compile question
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
>>
>>
>>
>> When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down,
>>
> with a
>
>> slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first,
>>
> then
>
>> the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full
>>
> page...Is
>
>> there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charbel
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: user-help@struts.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
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RE: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Charbel Abdul-Massih <ca...@soundbite.com>.
Hi guys...Thanks for all your help so far, but to answer your
questions...
The slowness in rendering the page is very obvious...it's as if the page
is being streamed line by line, from top to bottom...
There are no images on the page...
The page consists of 5 form fields...
The request does not access any DB...
The HTML outputted is only 17KB...
I am running it locally on Weblogic 9.2 and Java 5...
I doubt it's a pre-compile issue now because the slowness and
streaming-like rendering is experienced on every request, not just the
first...
Any other ideas???
Thanks,
Charbel
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance [mailto:lance.semmens@marketpipe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:22 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JSP pre-compile question
This might also be because you are not specifying heights (and widths)
for images.
If you have any other static widths & heights (menu area, header area
etc) you should specify them too.
Lance.
Al Sutton wrote:
> P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll loose
is
> the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after the
first
> time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version
which
> was compiled for the first page request.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
>
> The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the
data
> about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon
as
> they can after get it.
>
> There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the
user
> (smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
> anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and
chooses to
> render it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: JSP pre-compile question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
>
>
>
> When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down,
with a
> slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first,
then
> the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full
page...Is
> there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Charbel
>
>
>
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Re: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Lance <la...@marketpipe.com>.
This might also be because you are not specifying heights (and widths)
for images.
If you have any other static widths & heights (menu area, header area
etc) you should specify them too.
Lance.
Al Sutton wrote:
> P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll loose is
> the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after the first
> time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version which
> was compiled for the first page request.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
>
> The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the data
> about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon as
> they can after get it.
>
> There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the user
> (smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
> anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and chooses to
> render it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: JSP pre-compile question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
>
>
>
> When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down, with a
> slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first, then
> the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full page...Is
> there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Charbel
>
>
>
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RE: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Al Sutton <al...@alsutton.com>.
P.S. If you're considering pre-compiling, the only thing you'll loose is
the lag for the first time the page is displayed, every time after the first
time you view a page almost all servlet engines will use the version which
was compiled for the first page request.
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Sutton [mailto:al.sutton@alsutton.com]
Sent: 23 May 2007 16:06
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: JSP pre-compile question
The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the data
about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon as
they can after get it.
There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the user
(smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and chooses to
render it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: JSP pre-compile question
Hi,
I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down, with a
slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first, then
the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full page...Is
there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
Thanks,
Charbel
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RE: JSP pre-compile question
Posted by Al Sutton <al...@alsutton.com>.
The short answer is no because this is how the browser receives the data
about the page, and pretty much all browsers display the data as soon as
they can after get it.
There are things you can do to reduce the visibility of this to the user
(smaller tables and div areas, smaller pages, etc.), but there isn't
anything you can do about how the browser receives the data and chooses to
render it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charbel Abdul-Massih [mailto:cabdulmassih@soundbite.com]
Sent: 23 May 2007 15:59
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: JSP pre-compile question
Hi,
I am evaluating Struts 2.0, and I'm using tiles pluging with it...
When my pages render in the browser, they seem to render top down, with a
slight delay in rendering...meaning the top of the page renders first, then
the rest of the page renders gradually, until you see the full page...Is
there a way to change this and have it render without the delay???
Thanks,
Charbel
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