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Posted to dev@openmeetings.apache.org by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> on 2013/06/07 19:59:44 UTC

[VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Dear OpenMeetings Community,

I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 RC1

Main changes are covered in the

Readme: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README


Full Changelog:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG

Release artifacts:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/

Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/

PGP release keys (signed using
C467526E):https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS

Vote will be open for 72 hours.

[ ] +1  approve
[ ] +0  no opinion
[ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)

My vote is +1.



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Vasiliy Degtyarev <va...@unipro.ru>.

Hello all!

Please see below the number of bugs:

On 24.06.2013 14:59, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. Right
> now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
> quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
>
> 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>
> I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
> Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
> release notes.
>
> The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour long
> conferences)
> * Recordigs

_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669_

> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)

_https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188__
_
> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> different browsers or tabs)
> * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program we
> don't want to mention anymore)

_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-678__
__https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-677__
_
> Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of the notes?
> The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's what I
> get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
> item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> integration?
>
> I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
> users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
> (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my +1.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
>> project.
>> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to create
>> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>>
>> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
>> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working product.
>>
>> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members, have
>> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hello Alexei,
>>>
>>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding denoise
>>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
>>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include any
>>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
>>> because red5sip is another application.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge for
>>>> my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
>>>> jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
>>>> where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it worth
>>>> reflecting this in release notes?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>
>>>> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>>> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>>>> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
>>> community
>>>>> about that release.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody else has been testing this release?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe we should release rc1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and
>>>> sky
>>>>>> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could only find one minor issue:
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am sorry for the delay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The vote is now actually outdated.
>>>>>>>> Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on
>>>> dev,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of
>>> the
>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>>> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>>>> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
>>>>>> 2.1.1
>>>>>>>>>> RC1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Main changes are covered in the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Readme:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Full Changelog:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>>>>>>>>>> Release artifacts:
>>>>>>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tag:
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>>>>>>>>>> PGP release keys (signed using
>>>>>>>>>> C467526E):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>>>>>>>>>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1  approve
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My vote is +1.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>.

In my opinion release notes should contain Openmeetings changes since last
release only, so:
1. Recordings didn't work in 2.1 and still don't work. We have no changes
and there are nothing to write in release notes about them.
2. red5sip has never been Openmeetings part and we shouldn't write anything
about it (at least this year).
3. I don't know anything about flash and multi-tabbing, it works fine for
me, but we could write about it in the "Known issues" section.


2013/6/26 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Does anybody has any objections/additions to this?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Should it be in NOTES or README or both?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Are there any objections to the following text?
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> >> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >>
> >> We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> >> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> >> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> * Recordigs
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> different browsers or tabs)
> >> ---
> >> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
> >> написал:
> >>
> >> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
> >> >
> >> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
> >> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this
> >> right
> >> > now)
> >> >
> >> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really
> >> appreciate
> >> > if anybody will send me the new text.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
> >> > device
> >> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
> >> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
> >> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
> >> *magically*
> >> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
> >> list
> >> > of
> >> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
> >> > >
> >> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the
> past
> >> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
> >> > Applications
> >> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in
> IE
> >> > and
> >> > > Firefox).
> >> > >
> >> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
> >> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should
> >> not
> >> > run
> >> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
> >> might
> >> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
> >> > separated
> >> > > drivers et cetera).
> >> > >
> >> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
> >> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
> >> application,
> >> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
> >> application
> >> > at
> >> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sebastian
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Sebastian,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized
> access
> >> to
> >> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside
> Flash
> >> > > > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> > > > different
> >> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
> >> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> >> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> >> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash
> applications
> >> on
> >> > > > Linux
> >> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release
> >> notes.
> >> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while
> the
> >> > > actual
> >> > > > > use case is much more specific.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
> >> detailed
> >> > > > then
> >> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would
> reflect
> >> > more
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the
> text)
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session
> online
> >> > and
> >> > > > >> check.
> >> > > > >> --
> >> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one.
> >> Notes
> >> > > > >> > should help you and tell
> >> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which
> >> mentions
> >> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
> >> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and
> >> error,
> >> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
> >> > > something.
> >> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> >> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> >> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Sebastian,
> >> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description,
> still
> >> > the
> >> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
> >> soon
> >> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
> >> that
> >> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
> >> > > (longer
> >> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> >> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several
> in a
> >> > row.
> >> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle
> is 1
> >> > > hour,
> >> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
> >> > > magically
> >> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> >> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in
> >> her
> >> > > last
> >> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
> >> > multi-tabbed
> >> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
> >> difficult,
> >> > > than
> >> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
> >> codec
> >> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
> >> when
> >> > we
> >> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
> >> system-deep
> >> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
> >> this
> >> > > one
> >> > > > >> > is unrelated.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
> >> test
> >> > > it
> >> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
> >> reflect
> >> > > this
> >> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
> >> > > announced
> >> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in
> March.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
> >> features
> >> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes
> customers
> >> > > > >> > unhappy.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >> Hi there,
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
> >> should
> >> > > be
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > >> note
> >> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
> >> > > retested
> >> > > > >> on OM
> >> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> >> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> >> > > > OpenMeetings.
> >> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
> >> > however
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> root
> >> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality
> of
> >> > > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
> >> > recording. I
> >> > > > >> would
> >> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to
> reproduce
> >> the
> >> > > > issue
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP
> integration?
> >> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report
> has
> >> > > nothing
> >> > > > >> todo
> >> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> >> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> >> > > > >> consumption,
> >> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
> >> bug
> >> > > > report
> >> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I
> don't
> >> > > think
> >> > > > >> that
> >> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version*
> of
> >> > Flash
> >> > > > >> Player.
> >> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
> >> > exactly
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the
> Flash
> >> > > Player
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the
> >> Flash
> >> > > > Player
> >> > > > >> has
> >> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem
> with
> >> our
> >> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
> >> simply
> >> > a
> >> > > > >> problem
> >> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> running
> >> in
> >> > > > >> different
> >> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> >> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
> >> > OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> next to
> >> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> >> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
> >> > > mentions
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > >> a
> >> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
> >> without
> >> > > > >> issues. So
> >> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
> >> restriction
> >> > > to
> >> > > > >> have
> >> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything
> >> else
> >> > > > seems a
> >> > > > >> bit
> >> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> >> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings
> >> instances in
> >> > > > >> multiple
> >> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> >> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
> >> Integration
> >> > > of
> >> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would
> be
> >> a
> >> > > nice
> >> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if
> >> there
> >> > is
> >> > > an
> >> > > > >> issue
> >> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist
> at
> >> > all?
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
> >> when I
> >> > > > tried
> >> > > > >> to
> >> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
> >> same
> >> > > > >> Mozilla FF
> >> > > > >> >>> browser:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the
> >> list
> >> > of
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room
> from
> >> two
> >> > > > tabs
> >> > > > >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
> >> > > moment.
> >> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
> >> > > different
> >> > > > >> rooms
> >> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Regards,
> >> > > > >> >>> Irina.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
> >> > > Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> (as I
> >> > > > >> >>> > know);
> >> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
> >> 2.1.1;
> >> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
> >> 2.1,
> >> > > it's
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> >>> new
> >> > > > >> >>> > too
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
> >> > > additional
> >> > > > >> input
> >> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of
> Apache
> >> > > > release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this
> release
> >> > > (great
> >> > > > >> job,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
> >> > following
> >> > > > does
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> >> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
> >> 11.5
> >> > > > >> version)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> >> > running
> >> > > in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in
> >> our
> >> > > > releases
> >> > > > >> >>> until
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example,
> let's
> >> > > > imagine
> >> > > > >> if
> >> > > > >> >>> > Linux
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> >> > > > OpenOffice
> >> > > > >> has
> >> > > > >> >>> > > various
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
> >> > > example
> >> > > > >> because
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses
> Openmeetings
> >> to
> >> > > > provide
> >> > > > >> >>> voip
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not
> >> cause of
> >> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people
> that
> >> > > > red4sip
> >> > > > >> is
> >> > > > >> >>> not
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
> >> :-)
> >> > > > Adobe
> >> > > > >> Flash
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us
> >> the
> >> > > > problems
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
> >> > should
> >> > > > say,
> >> > > > >> >>> "does
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> >> > > > ecosystem
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us,
> >> we
> >> > > > >> graduated.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Right
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning
> by
> >> > > > >> establishing
> >> > > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
> >> > quality.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve
> more.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> >> > > > >> participants.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
> >> > following
> >> > > > >> attempt
> >> > > > >> >>> of
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings
> >> 2.1.1
> >> > > (for
> >> > > > 1
> >> > > > >> hour
> >> > > > >> >>> > long
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please
> downgrade
> >> to
> >> > > 11.5
> >> > > > >> >>> version)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should
> >> be
> >> > > > running
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
> >> > > another
> >> > > > >> program
> >> > > > >> >>> > we
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers
> to
> >> > each
> >> > > > >> line of
> >> > > > >> >>> > the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird
> explanation,
> >> > but
> >> > > > >> that's
> >> > > > >> >>> > what I
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
> >> > > correct
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >>> last
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the
> >> state of
> >> > > SIP
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected
> problems,
> >> > this
> >> > > > may
> >> > > > >> help
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With
> these
> >> > > release
> >> > > > >> notes
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
> >> > > release
> >> > > > >> gets my
> >> > > > >> >>> > +1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope
> >> of
> >> > the
> >> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope,
> >> if
> >> > we
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > >> able
> >> > > > >> >>> to
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope
> or
> >> > not)
> >> > > > is a
> >> > > > >> >>> rather
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
> >> in a
> >> > > > >> working
> >> > > > >> >>> > > product.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
> >> both
> >> > > PMC
> >> > > > >> >>> members,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > have
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
> >> > little
> >> > > by
> >> > > > >> adding
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed
> silent
> >> > > > >> detection in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I
> think
> >> we
> >> > > > >> shouldn't
> >> > > > >> >>> > > include
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
> >> > Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> release
> >> > > > >> >>> > > notes
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <
> >> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration
> >> by
> >> > > using
> >> > > > >> SIP
> >> > > > >> >>> > bridge
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found
> >> out
> >> > > that
> >> > > > >> >>> disabling
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
> >> > improves
> >> > > > >> audio.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
> >> web
> >> > > > site?
> >> > > > >> Does
> >> > > > >> >>> it
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory
> it
> >> is
> >> > > > >> possible.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some
> more
> >> > > > feedback
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> solomax666@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
> >> > > release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
> >> > Turkey
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > "
> >> > > <
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
> >> > > release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
> >> 2.1.1
> >> > ?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never
> >> on
> >> > > > private.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Please
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what
> we
> >> > > > publish
> >> > > > >> as a
> >> > > > >> >>> > > result
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before
> next
> >> > week
> >> > > > as I
> >> > > > >> >>> don't
> >> > > > >> >>> > > have
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
> >> > abroad.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
> >> > releasing
> >> > > > >> Apache
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >>
> >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> --
> >> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > WBR
> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > WBR
> > Maxim aka solomax
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.

Does anybody has any objections/additions to this?


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Should it be in NOTES or README or both?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Are there any objections to the following text?
>>
>> ---
>> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
>> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>>
>> We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
>> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
>> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> * Recordigs
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> different browsers or tabs)
>> ---
>> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
>> написал:
>>
>> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
>> >
>> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
>> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this
>> right
>> > now)
>> >
>> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really
>> appreciate
>> > if anybody will send me the new text.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
>> > device
>> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
>> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
>> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
>> *magically*
>> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
>> list
>> > of
>> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
>> > >
>> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
>> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
>> > Applications
>> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE
>> > and
>> > > Firefox).
>> > >
>> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
>> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should
>> not
>> > run
>> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
>> might
>> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
>> > separated
>> > > drivers et cetera).
>> > >
>> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
>> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
>> application,
>> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
>> application
>> > at
>> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > Sebastian,
>> > > >
>> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access
>> to
>> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
>> > > > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > >
>> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> > > > different
>> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
>> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
>> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
>> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications
>> on
>> > > > Linux
>> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release
>> notes.
>> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the
>> > > actual
>> > > > > use case is much more specific.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
>> detailed
>> > > > then
>> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect
>> > more
>> > > > the
>> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Sebastian
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online
>> > and
>> > > > >> check.
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> > Artyom,
>> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one.
>> Notes
>> > > > >> > should help you and tell
>> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which
>> mentions
>> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
>> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and
>> error,
>> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
>> > > something.
>> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
>> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
>> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Sebastian,
>> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still
>> > the
>> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
>> soon
>> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
>> that
>> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
>> > > (longer
>> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
>> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a
>> > row.
>> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1
>> > > hour,
>> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
>> > > magically
>> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
>> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in
>> her
>> > > last
>> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
>> > multi-tabbed
>> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
>> difficult,
>> > > than
>> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
>> codec
>> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
>> when
>> > we
>> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
>> system-deep
>> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
>> this
>> > > one
>> > > > >> > is unrelated.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
>> test
>> > > it
>> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
>> reflect
>> > > this
>> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
>> > > announced
>> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
>> features
>> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
>> > > > >> > unhappy.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > --
>> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >> Hi there,
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
>> should
>> > > be
>> > > > a
>> > > > >> note
>> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
>> > > retested
>> > > > >> on OM
>> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
>> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
>> > > > OpenMeetings.
>> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
>> > however
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> root
>> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
>> > > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
>> > recording. I
>> > > > >> would
>> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce
>> the
>> > > > issue
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
>> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has
>> > > nothing
>> > > > >> todo
>> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
>> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
>> > > > >> consumption,
>> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
>> bug
>> > > > report
>> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't
>> > > think
>> > > > >> that
>> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of
>> > Flash
>> > > > >> Player.
>> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
>> > exactly
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash
>> > > Player
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the
>> Flash
>> > > > Player
>> > > > >> has
>> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with
>> our
>> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
>> simply
>> > a
>> > > > >> problem
>> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
>> in
>> > > > >> different
>> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
>> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> next to
>> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
>> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
>> > > mentions
>> > > > is
>> > > > >> a
>> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
>> without
>> > > > >> issues. So
>> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
>> restriction
>> > > to
>> > > > >> have
>> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything
>> else
>> > > > seems a
>> > > > >> bit
>> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
>> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings
>> instances in
>> > > > >> multiple
>> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
>> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
>> Integration
>> > > of
>> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be
>> a
>> > > nice
>> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if
>> there
>> > is
>> > > an
>> > > > >> issue
>> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at
>> > all?
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
>> when I
>> > > > tried
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
>> same
>> > > > >> Mozilla FF
>> > > > >> >>> browser:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the
>> list
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from
>> two
>> > > > tabs
>> > > > >> of
>> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
>> > > moment.
>> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
>> > > different
>> > > > >> rooms
>> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Regards,
>> > > > >> >>> Irina.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
>> > > Openmeetings
>> > > > >> (as I
>> > > > >> >>> > know);
>> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
>> 2.1.1;
>> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
>> 2.1,
>> > > it's
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >> >>> new
>> > > > >> >>> > too
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
>> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
>> > > additional
>> > > > >> input
>> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > ---
>> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
>> > > > release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release
>> > > (great
>> > > > >> job,
>> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
>> > following
>> > > > does
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
>> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
>> 11.5
>> > > > >> version)
>> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
>> > running
>> > > in
>> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > > >> >>> > > ---
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in
>> our
>> > > > releases
>> > > > >> >>> until
>> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
>> > > > imagine
>> > > > >> if
>> > > > >> >>> > Linux
>> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
>> > > > OpenOffice
>> > > > >> has
>> > > > >> >>> > > various
>> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
>> > > example
>> > > > >> because
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings
>> to
>> > > > provide
>> > > > >> >>> voip
>> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not
>> cause of
>> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
>> > > > red4sip
>> > > > >> is
>> > > > >> >>> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
>> :-)
>> > > > Adobe
>> > > > >> Flash
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us
>> the
>> > > > problems
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
>> > should
>> > > > say,
>> > > > >> >>> "does
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
>> > > > ecosystem
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us,
>> we
>> > > > >> graduated.
>> > > > >> >>> > Right
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
>> > > > >> establishing
>> > > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
>> > quality.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
>> > > > >> participants.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
>> > following
>> > > > >> attempt
>> > > > >> >>> of
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings
>> 2.1.1
>> > > (for
>> > > > 1
>> > > > >> hour
>> > > > >> >>> > long
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade
>> to
>> > > 11.5
>> > > > >> >>> version)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should
>> be
>> > > > running
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
>> > > another
>> > > > >> program
>> > > > >> >>> > we
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to
>> > each
>> > > > >> line of
>> > > > >> >>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation,
>> > but
>> > > > >> that's
>> > > > >> >>> > what I
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
>> > > correct
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> last
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the
>> state of
>> > > SIP
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems,
>> > this
>> > > > may
>> > > > >> help
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these
>> > > release
>> > > > >> notes
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
>> > > release
>> > > > >> gets my
>> > > > >> >>> > +1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope
>> of
>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope,
>> if
>> > we
>> > > > are
>> > > > >> able
>> > > > >> >>> to
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or
>> > not)
>> > > > is a
>> > > > >> >>> rather
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
>> in a
>> > > > >> working
>> > > > >> >>> > > product.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
>> both
>> > > PMC
>> > > > >> >>> members,
>> > > > >> >>> > > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
>> > little
>> > > by
>> > > > >> adding
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
>> > > > >> detection in
>> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think
>> we
>> > > > >> shouldn't
>> > > > >> >>> > > include
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
>> > Openmeetings
>> > > > >> release
>> > > > >> >>> > > notes
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <
>> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration
>> by
>> > > using
>> > > > >> SIP
>> > > > >> >>> > bridge
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found
>> out
>> > > that
>> > > > >> >>> disabling
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
>> > improves
>> > > > >> audio.
>> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
>> web
>> > > > site?
>> > > > >> Does
>> > > > >> >>> it
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it
>> is
>> > > > >> possible.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
>> > > > feedback
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax666@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
>> > > release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
>> > Turkey
>> > > > with
>> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > "
>> > > <
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
>> > > release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
>> 2.1.1
>> > ?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never
>> on
>> > > > private.
>> > > > >> >>> > Please
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
>> > > > publish
>> > > > >> as a
>> > > > >> >>> > > result
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next
>> > week
>> > > > as I
>> > > > >> >>> don't
>> > > > >> >>> > > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
>> > abroad.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
>> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
>> > releasing
>> > > > >> Apache
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > WBR
>> > Maxim aka solomax
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

So the request would be to put it in README and make a new package, right?

There has been somebody committing changes to the 2.1 branch.
@Artyom: You have been committing changes to the 2.1 branch that will now
subsequently be part of any new RC candidate.
Namely:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1496776[OPENMEETINGS-687]
and
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1498438 [no Jira]

(at least that are all changes that happened in that branch as far as I can
judge).

So we need to re-test and verify the new RC 2 for the version 2.1.1 as its
not just a change in the README it is more then that.
And the Release notes need to be updated with the addition of
OPENMEETINGS-687.

And something about the "remotelog.upload":
By viewing at the source code I discovered that there is no sessionId check
in the servlet request (see UploadController.java around line 144).
I would suggest adding the sessionId into the Post parameters and check
that the request really comes from a valid user session.
Cause actually aynbody that know the URL:
http://demo.dataved.ru/openmeetings/remote.upload
and knows that it will expect a single Post parameter with the name
"message" can write _whatever_ content he likes to our log files, for
example flood the server with log messages. So potentially when he is using
the max_post_size he can write the disk full in a couple of minutes and the
OpenMeetings server is dead.

>From my point of view it would make sense to simply pass the sessionid with
the request, as with every other request, and verify that the sessionId
belongs to a valid user session with ever request to that method.

Thanks,
Sebastian




2013/7/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>

> I think README is ok.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Should it be in NOTES or README or both?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Are there any objections to the following text?
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> >> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >>
> >> We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> >> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> >> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> * Recordigs
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> different browsers or tabs)
> >> ---
> >> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
> >> написал:
> >>
> >> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
> >> >
> >> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
> >> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this
> right
> >> > now)
> >> >
> >> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really
> appreciate
> >> > if anybody will send me the new text.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
> >> > device
> >> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
> >> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
> >> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
> >> *magically*
> >> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
> >> list
> >> > of
> >> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
> >> > >
> >> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the
> past
> >> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
> >> > Applications
> >> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in
> IE
> >> > and
> >> > > Firefox).
> >> > >
> >> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
> >> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should
> not
> >> > run
> >> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
> >> might
> >> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
> >> > separated
> >> > > drivers et cetera).
> >> > >
> >> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
> >> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
> >> application,
> >> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
> >> application
> >> > at
> >> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sebastian
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Sebastian,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized
> access
> >> to
> >> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside
> Flash
> >> > > > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> > > > different
> >> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
> >> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> >> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> >> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash
> applications
> >> on
> >> > > > Linux
> >> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release
> notes.
> >> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while
> the
> >> > > actual
> >> > > > > use case is much more specific.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
> >> detailed
> >> > > > then
> >> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would
> reflect
> >> > more
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the
> text)
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session
> online
> >> > and
> >> > > > >> check.
> >> > > > >> --
> >> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one.
> Notes
> >> > > > >> > should help you and tell
> >> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which
> >> mentions
> >> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
> >> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and
> error,
> >> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
> >> > > something.
> >> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> >> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> >> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Sebastian,
> >> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description,
> still
> >> > the
> >> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
> >> soon
> >> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
> >> that
> >> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
> >> > > (longer
> >> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> >> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several
> in a
> >> > row.
> >> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle
> is 1
> >> > > hour,
> >> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
> >> > > magically
> >> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> >> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in
> her
> >> > > last
> >> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
> >> > multi-tabbed
> >> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
> >> difficult,
> >> > > than
> >> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
> >> codec
> >> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
> >> when
> >> > we
> >> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
> >> system-deep
> >> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
> >> this
> >> > > one
> >> > > > >> > is unrelated.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
> >> test
> >> > > it
> >> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
> >> reflect
> >> > > this
> >> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
> >> > > announced
> >> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in
> March.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
> >> features
> >> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes
> customers
> >> > > > >> > unhappy.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >> Hi there,
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
> >> should
> >> > > be
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > >> note
> >> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
> >> > > retested
> >> > > > >> on OM
> >> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> >> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> >> > > > OpenMeetings.
> >> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
> >> > however
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> root
> >> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality
> of
> >> > > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
> >> > recording. I
> >> > > > >> would
> >> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to
> reproduce
> >> the
> >> > > > issue
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP
> integration?
> >> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report
> has
> >> > > nothing
> >> > > > >> todo
> >> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> >> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> >> > > > >> consumption,
> >> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
> >> bug
> >> > > > report
> >> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I
> don't
> >> > > think
> >> > > > >> that
> >> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version*
> of
> >> > Flash
> >> > > > >> Player.
> >> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
> >> > exactly
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the
> Flash
> >> > > Player
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the
> Flash
> >> > > > Player
> >> > > > >> has
> >> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem
> with
> >> our
> >> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
> >> simply
> >> > a
> >> > > > >> problem
> >> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> running
> >> in
> >> > > > >> different
> >> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> >> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
> >> > OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> next to
> >> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> >> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
> >> > > mentions
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > >> a
> >> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
> >> without
> >> > > > >> issues. So
> >> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
> >> restriction
> >> > > to
> >> > > > >> have
> >> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything
> else
> >> > > > seems a
> >> > > > >> bit
> >> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> >> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings
> instances
> >> in
> >> > > > >> multiple
> >> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> >> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
> >> Integration
> >> > > of
> >> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would
> be a
> >> > > nice
> >> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if
> there
> >> > is
> >> > > an
> >> > > > >> issue
> >> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist
> at
> >> > all?
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
> >> when I
> >> > > > tried
> >> > > > >> to
> >> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
> >> same
> >> > > > >> Mozilla FF
> >> > > > >> >>> browser:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the
> list
> >> > of
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room
> from
> >> two
> >> > > > tabs
> >> > > > >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
> >> > > moment.
> >> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
> >> > > different
> >> > > > >> rooms
> >> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Regards,
> >> > > > >> >>> Irina.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
> >> > > Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> (as I
> >> > > > >> >>> > know);
> >> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
> >> 2.1.1;
> >> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
> >> 2.1,
> >> > > it's
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> >>> new
> >> > > > >> >>> > too
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
> >> > > additional
> >> > > > >> input
> >> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of
> Apache
> >> > > > release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this
> release
> >> > > (great
> >> > > > >> job,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
> >> > following
> >> > > > does
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> >> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
> >> 11.5
> >> > > > >> version)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> >> > running
> >> > > in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in
> our
> >> > > > releases
> >> > > > >> >>> until
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example,
> let's
> >> > > > imagine
> >> > > > >> if
> >> > > > >> >>> > Linux
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> >> > > > OpenOffice
> >> > > > >> has
> >> > > > >> >>> > > various
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
> >> > > example
> >> > > > >> because
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses
> Openmeetings
> >> to
> >> > > > provide
> >> > > > >> >>> voip
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not
> cause
> >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people
> that
> >> > > > red4sip
> >> > > > >> is
> >> > > > >> >>> not
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
> >> :-)
> >> > > > Adobe
> >> > > > >> Flash
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us
> the
> >> > > > problems
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
> >> > should
> >> > > > say,
> >> > > > >> >>> "does
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> >> > > > ecosystem
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for
> us, we
> >> > > > >> graduated.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Right
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning
> by
> >> > > > >> establishing
> >> > > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
> >> > quality.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve
> more.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> >> > > > >> participants.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
> >> > following
> >> > > > >> attempt
> >> > > > >> >>> of
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings
> 2.1.1
> >> > > (for
> >> > > > 1
> >> > > > >> hour
> >> > > > >> >>> > long
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please
> downgrade
> >> to
> >> > > 11.5
> >> > > > >> >>> version)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application
> should be
> >> > > > running
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
> >> > > another
> >> > > > >> program
> >> > > > >> >>> > we
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers
> to
> >> > each
> >> > > > >> line of
> >> > > > >> >>> > the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird
> explanation,
> >> > but
> >> > > > >> that's
> >> > > > >> >>> > what I
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
> >> > > correct
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >>> last
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the
> state
> >> of
> >> > > SIP
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected
> problems,
> >> > this
> >> > > > may
> >> > > > >> help
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With
> these
> >> > > release
> >> > > > >> notes
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
> >> > > release
> >> > > > >> gets my
> >> > > > >> >>> > +1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the
> scope of
> >> > the
> >> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the
> scope, if
> >> > we
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > >> able
> >> > > > >> >>> to
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope
> or
> >> > not)
> >> > > > is a
> >> > > > >> >>> rather
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
> >> in a
> >> > > > >> working
> >> > > > >> >>> > > product.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
> >> both
> >> > > PMC
> >> > > > >> >>> members,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > have
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
> >> > little
> >> > > by
> >> > > > >> adding
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed
> silent
> >> > > > >> detection in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I
> think
> >> we
> >> > > > >> shouldn't
> >> > > > >> >>> > > include
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
> >> > Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> release
> >> > > > >> >>> > > notes
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP
> integration by
> >> > > using
> >> > > > >> SIP
> >> > > > >> >>> > bridge
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found
> out
> >> > > that
> >> > > > >> >>> disabling
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
> >> > improves
> >> > > > >> audio.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
> >> web
> >> > > > site?
> >> > > > >> Does
> >> > > > >> >>> it
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory
> it
> >> is
> >> > > > >> possible.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some
> more
> >> > > > feedback
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> solomax666@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
> >> > > release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
> >> > Turkey
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > "
> >> > > <
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
> >> > > release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
> >> 2.1.1
> >> > ?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list,
> never on
> >> > > > private.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Please
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what
> we
> >> > > > publish
> >> > > > >> as a
> >> > > > >> >>> > > result
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before
> next
> >> > week
> >> > > > as I
> >> > > > >> >>> don't
> >> > > > >> >>> > > have
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
> >> > abroad.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
> >> > releasing
> >> > > > >> Apache
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >>
> >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> --
> >> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > WBR
> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > WBR
> > Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

I think README is ok.

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

[1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
[2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
[3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Should it be in NOTES or README or both?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Are there any objections to the following text?
>>
>> ---
>> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
>> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>>
>> We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
>> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
>> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> * Recordigs
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> different browsers or tabs)
>> ---
>> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
>> написал:
>>
>> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
>> >
>> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
>> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this right
>> > now)
>> >
>> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really appreciate
>> > if anybody will send me the new text.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
>> > device
>> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
>> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
>> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
>> *magically*
>> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
>> list
>> > of
>> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
>> > >
>> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
>> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
>> > Applications
>> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE
>> > and
>> > > Firefox).
>> > >
>> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
>> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should not
>> > run
>> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
>> might
>> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
>> > separated
>> > > drivers et cetera).
>> > >
>> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
>> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
>> application,
>> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
>> application
>> > at
>> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > Sebastian,
>> > > >
>> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access
>> to
>> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
>> > > > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > >
>> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> > > > different
>> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
>> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
>> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
>> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications
>> on
>> > > > Linux
>> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
>> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the
>> > > actual
>> > > > > use case is much more specific.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
>> detailed
>> > > > then
>> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect
>> > more
>> > > > the
>> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Sebastian
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online
>> > and
>> > > > >> check.
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> > Artyom,
>> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
>> > > > >> > should help you and tell
>> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which
>> mentions
>> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
>> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
>> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
>> > > something.
>> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
>> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
>> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Sebastian,
>> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still
>> > the
>> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
>> soon
>> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
>> that
>> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
>> > > (longer
>> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
>> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a
>> > row.
>> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1
>> > > hour,
>> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
>> > > magically
>> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
>> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her
>> > > last
>> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
>> > multi-tabbed
>> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
>> difficult,
>> > > than
>> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
>> codec
>> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
>> when
>> > we
>> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
>> system-deep
>> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
>> this
>> > > one
>> > > > >> > is unrelated.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
>> test
>> > > it
>> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
>> reflect
>> > > this
>> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
>> > > announced
>> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
>> features
>> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
>> > > > >> > unhappy.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > --
>> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >> Hi there,
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
>> should
>> > > be
>> > > > a
>> > > > >> note
>> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
>> > > retested
>> > > > >> on OM
>> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
>> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
>> > > > OpenMeetings.
>> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
>> > however
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> root
>> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
>> > > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
>> > recording. I
>> > > > >> would
>> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce
>> the
>> > > > issue
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
>> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has
>> > > nothing
>> > > > >> todo
>> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
>> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
>> > > > >> consumption,
>> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
>> bug
>> > > > report
>> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't
>> > > think
>> > > > >> that
>> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of
>> > Flash
>> > > > >> Player.
>> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
>> > exactly
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash
>> > > Player
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash
>> > > > Player
>> > > > >> has
>> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with
>> our
>> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
>> simply
>> > a
>> > > > >> problem
>> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
>> in
>> > > > >> different
>> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
>> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> next to
>> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
>> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
>> > > mentions
>> > > > is
>> > > > >> a
>> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
>> without
>> > > > >> issues. So
>> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
>> restriction
>> > > to
>> > > > >> have
>> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else
>> > > > seems a
>> > > > >> bit
>> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
>> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances
>> in
>> > > > >> multiple
>> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
>> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
>> Integration
>> > > of
>> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a
>> > > nice
>> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there
>> > is
>> > > an
>> > > > >> issue
>> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at
>> > all?
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
>> when I
>> > > > tried
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
>> same
>> > > > >> Mozilla FF
>> > > > >> >>> browser:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from
>> two
>> > > > tabs
>> > > > >> of
>> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
>> > > moment.
>> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
>> > > different
>> > > > >> rooms
>> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Regards,
>> > > > >> >>> Irina.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
>> > > Openmeetings
>> > > > >> (as I
>> > > > >> >>> > know);
>> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
>> 2.1.1;
>> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
>> 2.1,
>> > > it's
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >> >>> new
>> > > > >> >>> > too
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
>> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
>> > > additional
>> > > > >> input
>> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > ---
>> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
>> > > > release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release
>> > > (great
>> > > > >> job,
>> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
>> > following
>> > > > does
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
>> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
>> 11.5
>> > > > >> version)
>> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
>> > running
>> > > in
>> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > > >> >>> > > ---
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our
>> > > > releases
>> > > > >> >>> until
>> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
>> > > > imagine
>> > > > >> if
>> > > > >> >>> > Linux
>> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
>> > > > OpenOffice
>> > > > >> has
>> > > > >> >>> > > various
>> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
>> > > example
>> > > > >> because
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings
>> to
>> > > > provide
>> > > > >> >>> voip
>> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause
>> of
>> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
>> > > > red4sip
>> > > > >> is
>> > > > >> >>> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
>> :-)
>> > > > Adobe
>> > > > >> Flash
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the
>> > > > problems
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
>> > should
>> > > > say,
>> > > > >> >>> "does
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
>> > > > ecosystem
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
>> > > > >> graduated.
>> > > > >> >>> > Right
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
>> > > > >> establishing
>> > > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
>> > quality.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
>> > > > >> participants.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
>> > following
>> > > > >> attempt
>> > > > >> >>> of
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1
>> > > (for
>> > > > 1
>> > > > >> hour
>> > > > >> >>> > long
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade
>> to
>> > > 11.5
>> > > > >> >>> version)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
>> > > > running
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
>> > > another
>> > > > >> program
>> > > > >> >>> > we
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to
>> > each
>> > > > >> line of
>> > > > >> >>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation,
>> > but
>> > > > >> that's
>> > > > >> >>> > what I
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
>> > > correct
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> last
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state
>> of
>> > > SIP
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems,
>> > this
>> > > > may
>> > > > >> help
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these
>> > > release
>> > > > >> notes
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
>> > > release
>> > > > >> gets my
>> > > > >> >>> > +1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of
>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if
>> > we
>> > > > are
>> > > > >> able
>> > > > >> >>> to
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or
>> > not)
>> > > > is a
>> > > > >> >>> rather
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
>> in a
>> > > > >> working
>> > > > >> >>> > > product.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
>> both
>> > > PMC
>> > > > >> >>> members,
>> > > > >> >>> > > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
>> > little
>> > > by
>> > > > >> adding
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
>> > > > >> detection in
>> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think
>> we
>> > > > >> shouldn't
>> > > > >> >>> > > include
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
>> > Openmeetings
>> > > > >> release
>> > > > >> >>> > > notes
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by
>> > > using
>> > > > >> SIP
>> > > > >> >>> > bridge
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out
>> > > that
>> > > > >> >>> disabling
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
>> > improves
>> > > > >> audio.
>> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
>> web
>> > > > site?
>> > > > >> Does
>> > > > >> >>> it
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it
>> is
>> > > > >> possible.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
>> > > > feedback
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax666@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
>> > > release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
>> > Turkey
>> > > > with
>> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > "
>> > > <
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
>> > > release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
>> 2.1.1
>> > ?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on
>> > > > private.
>> > > > >> >>> > Please
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
>> > > > publish
>> > > > >> as a
>> > > > >> >>> > > result
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next
>> > week
>> > > > as I
>> > > > >> >>> don't
>> > > > >> >>> > > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
>> > abroad.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
>> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
>> > releasing
>> > > > >> Apache
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > WBR
>> > Maxim aka solomax
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.

Should it be in NOTES or README or both?


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Are there any objections to the following text?
>
> ---
> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>
> We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> * Recordigs
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> different browsers or tabs)
> ---
> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
> написал:
>
> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
> >
> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this right
> > now)
> >
> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really appreciate
> > if anybody will send me the new text.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
> > device
> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
> *magically*
> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
> list
> > of
> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
> > >
> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
> > Applications
> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE
> > and
> > > Firefox).
> > >
> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should not
> > run
> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
> might
> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
> > separated
> > > drivers et cetera).
> > >
> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
> application,
> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
> application
> > at
> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
> > >
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Sebastian,
> > > >
> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access
> to
> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
> > > > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >
> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > > > different
> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications
> on
> > > > Linux
> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> > > > >
> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the
> > > actual
> > > > > use case is much more specific.
> > > > >
> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
> detailed
> > > > then
> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect
> > more
> > > > the
> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Sebastian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online
> > and
> > > > >> check.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > Artyom,
> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
> > > > >> > should help you and tell
> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which
> mentions
> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
> > > something.
> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Sebastian,
> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still
> > the
> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
> soon
> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
> that
> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
> > > (longer
> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a
> > row.
> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1
> > > hour,
> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
> > > magically
> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her
> > > last
> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
> > multi-tabbed
> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
> difficult,
> > > than
> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
> codec
> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
> when
> > we
> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
> system-deep
> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
> this
> > > one
> > > > >> > is unrelated.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
> test
> > > it
> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
> reflect
> > > this
> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
> > > announced
> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
> features
> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
> > > > >> > unhappy.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> Hi there,
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
> should
> > > be
> > > > a
> > > > >> note
> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
> > > retested
> > > > >> on OM
> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> > > > OpenMeetings.
> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
> > however
> > > > the
> > > > >> root
> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
> > > > >> OpenMeetings
> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
> > recording. I
> > > > >> would
> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce
> the
> > > > issue
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has
> > > nothing
> > > > >> todo
> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> > > > >> consumption,
> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
> bug
> > > > report
> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't
> > > think
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of
> > Flash
> > > > >> Player.
> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
> > exactly
> > > > was
> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash
> > > Player
> > > > was
> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash
> > > > Player
> > > > >> has
> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with
> our
> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
> simply
> > a
> > > > >> problem
> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
> in
> > > > >> different
> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
> > OpenMeetings
> > > > >> next to
> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
> > > mentions
> > > > is
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
> without
> > > > >> issues. So
> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
> restriction
> > > to
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else
> > > > seems a
> > > > >> bit
> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances
> in
> > > > >> multiple
> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
> Integration
> > > of
> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a
> > > nice
> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there
> > is
> > > an
> > > > >> issue
> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at
> > all?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >> Sebastian
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
> when I
> > > > tried
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
> same
> > > > >> Mozilla FF
> > > > >> >>> browser:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from
> two
> > > > tabs
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
> > > moment.
> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
> > > different
> > > > >> rooms
> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Regards,
> > > > >> >>> Irina.
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
> > > Openmeetings
> > > > >> (as I
> > > > >> >>> > know);
> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
> 2.1.1;
> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
> 2.1,
> > > it's
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> >>> new
> > > > >> >>> > too
> > > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
> > > additional
> > > > >> input
> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
> > > > release.
> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release
> > > (great
> > > > >> job,
> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
> > following
> > > > does
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
> 11.5
> > > > >> version)
> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> > running
> > > in
> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > --
> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our
> > > > releases
> > > > >> >>> until
> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
> > > > imagine
> > > > >> if
> > > > >> >>> > Linux
> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> > > > OpenOffice
> > > > >> has
> > > > >> >>> > > various
> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
> > > example
> > > > >> because
> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings
> to
> > > > provide
> > > > >> >>> voip
> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause
> of
> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
> > > > >> >>> > > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >
> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>> > > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
> > > > red4sip
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> >>> not
> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
> :-)
> > > > Adobe
> > > > >> Flash
> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the
> > > > problems
> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
> > should
> > > > say,
> > > > >> >>> "does
> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> > > > ecosystem
> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
> > > > >> graduated.
> > > > >> >>> > Right
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
> > > > >> establishing
> > > > >> >>> the
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
> > quality.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> > > > >> participants.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
> > following
> > > > >> attempt
> > > > >> >>> of
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1
> > > (for
> > > > 1
> > > > >> hour
> > > > >> >>> > long
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade
> to
> > > 11.5
> > > > >> >>> version)
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> > > > running
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
> > > another
> > > > >> program
> > > > >> >>> > we
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to
> > each
> > > > >> line of
> > > > >> >>> > the
> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation,
> > but
> > > > >> that's
> > > > >> >>> > what I
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
> > > correct
> > > > the
> > > > >> >>> last
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state
> of
> > > SIP
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems,
> > this
> > > > may
> > > > >> help
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these
> > > release
> > > > >> notes
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
> > > release
> > > > >> gets my
> > > > >> >>> > +1.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of
> > the
> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > >> able
> > > > >> >>> to
> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or
> > not)
> > > > is a
> > > > >> >>> rather
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
> in a
> > > > >> working
> > > > >> >>> > > product.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
> both
> > > PMC
> > > > >> >>> members,
> > > > >> >>> > > have
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
> > little
> > > by
> > > > >> adding
> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
> > > > >> detection in
> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think
> we
> > > > >> shouldn't
> > > > >> >>> > > include
> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
> > Openmeetings
> > > > >> release
> > > > >> >>> > > notes
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by
> > > using
> > > > >> SIP
> > > > >> >>> > bridge
> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out
> > > that
> > > > >> >>> disabling
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
> > improves
> > > > >> audio.
> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
> web
> > > > site?
> > > > >> Does
> > > > >> >>> it
> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it
> is
> > > > >> possible.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
> > > > feedback
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> >>> the
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
> solomax666@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
> > > release?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
> > Turkey
> > > > with
> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > "
> > > <
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
> > > release.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
> 2.1.1
> > ?
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on
> > > > private.
> > > > >> >>> > Please
> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
> > > > publish
> > > > >> as a
> > > > >> >>> > > result
> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next
> > week
> > > > as I
> > > > >> >>> don't
> > > > >> >>> > > have
> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
> > abroad.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
> > releasing
> > > > >> Apache
> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >>
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > > >> >>> > >
> > > > >> >>> >
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> --
> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > WBR
> > Maxim aka solomax
> >
>



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

Are there any objections to the following text?

---
Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
Check free red5sip product for this integration.

We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
* Recordigs
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
* Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
* Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
different browsers or tabs)
---
26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
написал:

> @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
>
> I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
> Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this right
> now)
>
> In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really appreciate
> if anybody will send me the new text.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
> device
> > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
> > In the past it was for example even like that:
> > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin *magically*
> > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a list
> of
> > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
> >
> > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
> > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
> Applications
> > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE
> and
> > Firefox).
> >
> > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
> > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should not
> run
> > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception might
> > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
> separated
> > drivers et cetera).
> >
> > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
> > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat application,
> > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one application
> at
> > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Sebastian,
> > >
> > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access to
> > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
> > > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > >
> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > > different
> > > > browsers or tabs)*
> > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications on
> > > Linux
> > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> > > >
> > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
> > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the
> > actual
> > > > use case is much more specific.
> > > >
> > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more detailed
> > > then
> > > > the Release Notes indicate.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect
> more
> > > the
> > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Sebastian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
> > > >>
> > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online
> and
> > > >> check.
> > > >> --
> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Artyom,
> > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
> > > >> > should help you and tell
> > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
> > > >> > recordings they do not work for
> > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
> > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
> > something.
> > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sebastian,
> > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still
> the
> > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
> > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
> > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
> > (longer
> > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a
> row.
> > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1
> > hour,
> > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
> > magically
> > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her
> > last
> > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
> multi-tabbed
> > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult,
> > than
> > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
> > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when
> we
> > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
> > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this
> > one
> > > >> > is unrelated.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test
> > it
> > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect
> > this
> > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
> > announced
> > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
> > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
> > > >> > unhappy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Hi there,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should
> > be
> > > a
> > > >> note
> > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
> > retested
> > > >> on OM
> > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> > > OpenMeetings.
> > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
> however
> > > the
> > > >> root
> > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
> > > >> OpenMeetings
> > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
> recording. I
> > > >> would
> > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the
> > > issue
> > > >> in
> > > >> >> the Bug report.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
> > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has
> > nothing
> > > >> todo
> > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> > > >> consumption,
> > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug
> > > report
> > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't
> > think
> > > >> that
> > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of
> Flash
> > > >> Player.
> > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
> exactly
> > > was
> > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash
> > Player
> > > was
> > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash
> > > Player
> > > >> has
> > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
> > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply
> a
> > > >> problem
> > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > > >> different
> > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
> OpenMeetings
> > > >> next to
> > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
> > mentions
> > > is
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without
> > > >> issues. So
> > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction
> > to
> > > >> have
> > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else
> > > seems a
> > > >> bit
> > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in
> > > >> multiple
> > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration
> > of
> > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a
> > nice
> > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there
> is
> > an
> > > >> issue
> > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at
> all?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >> Sebastian
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> Hi All,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I
> > > tried
> > > >> to
> > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same
> > > >> Mozilla FF
> > > >> >>> browser:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list
> of
> > > the
> > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two
> > > tabs
> > > >> of
> > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
> > moment.
> > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
> > different
> > > >> rooms
> > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Regards,
> > > >> >>> Irina.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > > akhor666@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> >wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
> > Openmeetings
> > > >> (as I
> > > >> >>> > know);
> > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
> > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1,
> > it's
> > > >> not
> > > >> >>> new
> > > >> >>> > too
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
> > additional
> > > >> input
> > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > ---
> > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
> > > release.
> > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release
> > (great
> > > >> job,
> > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
> following
> > > does
> > > >> not
> > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> > > >> version)
> > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> running
> > in
> > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> > > >> >>> > > ---
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > --
> > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our
> > > releases
> > > >> >>> until
> > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
> > > imagine
> > > >> if
> > > >> >>> > Linux
> > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> > > OpenOffice
> > > >> has
> > > >> >>> > > various
> > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
> > example
> > > >> because
> > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to
> > > provide
> > > >> >>> voip
> > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
> > > >> >>> Openmeetings
> > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
> > > red4sip
> > > >> is
> > > >> >>> not
> > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-)
> > > Adobe
> > > >> Flash
> > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the
> > > problems
> > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
> should
> > > say,
> > > >> >>> "does
> > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> > > ecosystem
> > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> --
> > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
> > > >> graduated.
> > > >> >>> > Right
> > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
> > > >> establishing
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
> quality.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> > > >> participants.
> > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
> following
> > > >> attempt
> > > >> >>> of
> > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1
> > (for
> > > 1
> > > >> hour
> > > >> >>> > long
> > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
> > 11.5
> > > >> >>> version)
> > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> > > running
> > > >> in
> > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
> > another
> > > >> program
> > > >> >>> > we
> > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to
> each
> > > >> line of
> > > >> >>> > the
> > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
> > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation,
> but
> > > >> that's
> > > >> >>> > what I
> > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
> > correct
> > > the
> > > >> >>> last
> > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of
> > SIP
> > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems,
> this
> > > may
> > > >> help
> > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these
> > release
> > > >> notes
> > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
> > release
> > > >> gets my
> > > >> >>> > +1.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > --
> > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of
> the
> > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if
> we
> > > are
> > > >> able
> > > >> >>> to
> > > >> >>> > > >> create
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or
> not)
> > > is a
> > > >> >>> rather
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a
> > > >> working
> > > >> >>> > > product.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both
> > PMC
> > > >> >>> members,
> > > >> >>> > > have
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
> little
> > by
> > > >> adding
> > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
> > > >> detection in
> > > >> >>> > > red5sip
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we
> > > >> shouldn't
> > > >> >>> > > include
> > > >> >>> > > >> any
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
> Openmeetings
> > > >> release
> > > >> >>> > > notes
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by
> > using
> > > >> SIP
> > > >> >>> > bridge
> > > >> >>> > > >> for
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out
> > that
> > > >> >>> disabling
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
> improves
> > > >> audio.
> > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web
> > > site?
> > > >> Does
> > > >> >>> it
> > > >> >>> > > >> worth
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is
> > > >> possible.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
> > > feedback
> > > >> in
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
> > release?
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
> Turkey
> > > with
> > > >> >>> > > instructor
> > > >> >>> > > >> and
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com
> "
> > <
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
> > release.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1
> ?
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on
> > > private.
> > > >> >>> > Please
> > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
> > > publish
> > > >> as a
> > > >> >>> > > result
> > > >> >>> > > >> of
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next
> week
> > > as I
> > > >> >>> don't
> > > >> >>> > > have
> > > >> >>> > > >> a
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
> abroad.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> > > solomax666@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
> releasing
> > > >> Apache
> > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >>
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --
> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.

@Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.

I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this right
now)

In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really appreciate
if anybody will send me the new text.


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same device
> in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
> In the past it was for example even like that:
> If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin *magically*
> knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a list of
> Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
>
> So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
> where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash Applications
> on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE and
> Firefox).
>
> A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
> Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should not run
> parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception might
> be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two separated
> drivers et cetera).
>
> But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
> actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat application,
> not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one application at
> the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
> 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
> > Sebastian,
> >
> > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access to
> > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
> > and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > different
> > > browsers or tabs)*
> > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications on
> > Linux
> > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> > >
> > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
> > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the
> actual
> > > use case is much more specific.
> > >
> > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more detailed
> > then
> > > the Release Notes indicate.
> > >
> > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect more
> > the
> > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
> > >>
> > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online and
> > >> check.
> > >> --
> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>
> > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Artyom,
> > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
> > >> > should help you and tell
> > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
> > >> > recordings they do not work for
> > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
> > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> > >> >
> > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
> something.
> > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> > >> >
> > >> > Sebastian,
> > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the
> > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
> > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
> > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
> (longer
> > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row.
> > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1
> hour,
> > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> > >> >
> > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
> magically
> > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her
> last
> > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed
> > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> > >> >
> > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult,
> than
> > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
> > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we
> > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
> > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this
> one
> > >> > is unrelated.
> > >> >
> > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test
> it
> > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect
> this
> > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
> announced
> > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
> > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
> > >> > unhappy.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> Hi there,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should
> be
> > a
> > >> note
> > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
> retested
> > >> on OM
> > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> > OpenMeetings.
> > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however
> > the
> > >> root
> > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
> > >> OpenMeetings
> > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I
> > >> would
> > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the
> > issue
> > >> in
> > >> >> the Bug report.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
> > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has
> nothing
> > >> todo
> > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> > >> consumption,
> > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug
> > report
> > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't
> think
> > >> that
> > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash
> > >> Player.
> > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly
> > was
> > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash
> Player
> > was
> > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash
> > Player
> > >> has
> > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
> > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a
> > >> problem
> > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > >> different
> > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings
> > >> next to
> > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
> mentions
> > is
> > >> a
> > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without
> > >> issues. So
> > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction
> to
> > >> have
> > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else
> > seems a
> > >> bit
> > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in
> > >> multiple
> > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> > >> >>
> > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration
> of
> > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a
> nice
> > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is
> an
> > >> issue
> > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Sebastian
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Hi All,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I
> > tried
> > >> to
> > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same
> > >> Mozilla FF
> > >> >>> browser:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of
> > the
> > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two
> > tabs
> > >> of
> > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
> moment.
> > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
> different
> > >> rooms
> > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Regards,
> > >> >>> Irina.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > akhor666@gmail.com
> > >> >>> >wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
> Openmeetings
> > >> (as I
> > >> >>> > know);
> > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
> > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1,
> it's
> > >> not
> > >> >>> new
> > >> >>> > too
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
> additional
> > >> input
> > >> >>> > > from Irina.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > ---
> > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
> > release.
> > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release
> (great
> > >> job,
> > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following
> > does
> > >> not
> > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> > >> version)
> > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
> in
> > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> > >> >>> > > ---
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > --
> > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > wrote:
> > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our
> > releases
> > >> >>> until
> > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
> > imagine
> > >> if
> > >> >>> > Linux
> > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> > OpenOffice
> > >> has
> > >> >>> > > various
> > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
> example
> > >> because
> > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to
> > provide
> > >> >>> voip
> > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
> > >> >>> Openmeetings
> > >> >>> > > > bugs.
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
> > red4sip
> > >> is
> > >> >>> not
> > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-)
> > Adobe
> > >> Flash
> > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the
> > problems
> > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should
> > say,
> > >> >>> "does
> > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> > ecosystem
> > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> --
> > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
> > >> graduated.
> > >> >>> > Right
> > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
> > >> establishing
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> > >> participants.
> > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following
> > >> attempt
> > >> >>> of
> > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1
> (for
> > 1
> > >> hour
> > >> >>> > long
> > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
> 11.5
> > >> >>> version)
> > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> > running
> > >> in
> > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
> another
> > >> program
> > >> >>> > we
> > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each
> > >> line of
> > >> >>> > the
> > >> >>> > > >> notes?
> > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but
> > >> that's
> > >> >>> > what I
> > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
> correct
> > the
> > >> >>> last
> > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of
> SIP
> > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this
> > may
> > >> help
> > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these
> release
> > >> notes
> > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
> release
> > >> gets my
> > >> >>> > +1.
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > --
> > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
> > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we
> > are
> > >> able
> > >> >>> to
> > >> >>> > > >> create
> > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not)
> > is a
> > >> >>> rather
> > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a
> > >> working
> > >> >>> > > product.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both
> PMC
> > >> >>> members,
> > >> >>> > > have
> > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little
> by
> > >> adding
> > >> >>> > > >> denoise
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
> > >> detection in
> > >> >>> > > red5sip
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we
> > >> shouldn't
> > >> >>> > > include
> > >> >>> > > >> any
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings
> > >> release
> > >> >>> > > notes
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by
> using
> > >> SIP
> > >> >>> > bridge
> > >> >>> > > >> for
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out
> that
> > >> >>> disabling
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves
> > >> audio.
> > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web
> > site?
> > >> Does
> > >> >>> it
> > >> >>> > > >> worth
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is
> > >> possible.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
> > feedback
> > >> in
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
> release?
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey
> > with
> > >> >>> > > instructor
> > >> >>> > > >> and
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com"
> <
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
> release.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on
> > private.
> > >> >>> > Please
> > >> >>> > > >> vote on
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
> > publish
> > >> as a
> > >> >>> > > result
> > >> >>> > > >> of
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week
> > as I
> > >> >>> don't
> > >> >>> > > have
> > >> >>> > > >> a
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> > solomax666@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing
> > >> Apache
> > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >>
> > >> >>> > > >> >> --
> > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > > >>
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same device
in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
In the past it was for example even like that:
If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin *magically*
knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a list of
Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.

So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash Applications
on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE and
Firefox).

A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should not run
parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception might
be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two separated
drivers et cetera).

But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat application,
not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one application at
the same time should use Microphone or Camera.

Sebastian




2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>

> Sebastian,
>
> My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access to
> video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
> and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
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>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> different
> > browsers or tabs)*
> > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications on
> Linux
> > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> >
> > My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
> > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the actual
> > use case is much more specific.
> >
> > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more detailed
> then
> > the Release Notes indicate.
> >
> > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect more
> the
> > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
> >>
> >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online and
> >> check.
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Artyom,
> >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
> >> > should help you and tell
> >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
> >> > recordings they do not work for
> >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
> >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> >> >
> >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something.
> >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> >> >
> >> > Sebastian,
> >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the
> >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
> >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
> >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer
> >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row.
> >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour,
> >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> >> >
> >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically
> >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last
> >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed
> >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> >> >
> >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than
> >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
> >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we
> >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
> >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one
> >> > is unrelated.
> >> >
> >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it
> >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this
> >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced
> >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
> >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
> >> > unhappy.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >
> >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hi there,
> >> >>
> >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be
> a
> >> note
> >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested
> >> on OM
> >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> OpenMeetings.
> >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however
> the
> >> root
> >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
> >> OpenMeetings
> >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I
> >> would
> >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the
> issue
> >> in
> >> >> the Bug report.
> >> >>
> >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
> >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing
> >> todo
> >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> >> consumption,
> >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug
> report
> >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think
> >> that
> >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash
> >> Player.
> >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly
> was
> >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player
> was
> >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash
> Player
> >> has
> >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
> >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a
> >> problem
> >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> >> >>
> >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> different
> >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings
> >> next to
> >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions
> is
> >> a
> >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without
> >> issues. So
> >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to
> >> have
> >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else
> seems a
> >> bit
> >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in
> >> multiple
> >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> >> >>
> >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of
> >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice
> >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an
> >> issue
> >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Sebastian
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi All,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I
> tried
> >> to
> >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same
> >> Mozilla FF
> >> >>> browser:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of
> the
> >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two
> tabs
> >> of
> >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
> >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different
> >> rooms
> >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>> Irina.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> akhor666@gmail.com
> >> >>> >wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings
> >> (as I
> >> >>> > know);
> >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
> >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's
> >> not
> >> >>> new
> >> >>> > too
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional
> >> input
> >> >>> > > from Irina.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > ---
> >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
> release.
> >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great
> >> job,
> >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following
> does
> >> not
> >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> >> version)
> >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> >> >>> > > ---
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > --
> >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > wrote:
> >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our
> releases
> >> >>> until
> >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
> imagine
> >> if
> >> >>> > Linux
> >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> OpenOffice
> >> has
> >> >>> > > various
> >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example
> >> because
> >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to
> provide
> >> >>> voip
> >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
> >> >>> Openmeetings
> >> >>> > > > bugs.
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
> red4sip
> >> is
> >> >>> not
> >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-)
> Adobe
> >> Flash
> >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the
> problems
> >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should
> say,
> >> >>> "does
> >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> ecosystem
> >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> --
> >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
> >> graduated.
> >> >>> > Right
> >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
> >> establishing
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> >> participants.
> >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following
> >> attempt
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for
> 1
> >> hour
> >> >>> > long
> >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> >> >>> version)
> >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> running
> >> in
> >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another
> >> program
> >> >>> > we
> >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each
> >> line of
> >> >>> > the
> >> >>> > > >> notes?
> >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but
> >> that's
> >> >>> > what I
> >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct
> the
> >> >>> last
> >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this
> may
> >> help
> >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release
> >> notes
> >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release
> >> gets my
> >> >>> > +1.
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > --
> >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
> >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we
> are
> >> able
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> > > >> create
> >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not)
> is a
> >> >>> rather
> >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a
> >> working
> >> >>> > > product.
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC
> >> >>> members,
> >> >>> > > have
> >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by
> >> adding
> >> >>> > > >> denoise
> >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
> >> detection in
> >> >>> > > red5sip
> >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we
> >> shouldn't
> >> >>> > > include
> >> >>> > > >> any
> >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings
> >> release
> >> >>> > > notes
> >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using
> >> SIP
> >> >>> > bridge
> >> >>> > > >> for
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that
> >> >>> disabling
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves
> >> audio.
> >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web
> site?
> >> Does
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> > > >> worth
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is
> >> possible.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
> feedback
> >> in
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey
> with
> >> >>> > > instructor
> >> >>> > > >> and
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on
> private.
> >> >>> > Please
> >> >>> > > >> vote on
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
> publish
> >> as a
> >> >>> > > result
> >> >>> > > >> of
> >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week
> as I
> >> >>> don't
> >> >>> > > have
> >> >>> > > >> a
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> solomax666@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing
> >> Apache
> >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >
> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> >>> > > >> >> --
> >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

Sebastian,

My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access to
video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
and device drivers.  This makes crashes unpredictable.

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different
> browsers or tabs)*
> "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> => Then the sentence might be more like:
> " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications on Linux
> can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
>
> My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
> You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the actual
> use case is much more specific.
>
> Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more detailed then
> the Release Notes indicate.
>
> Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect more the
> detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
>>
>> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online and
>> check.
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Artyom,
>> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
>> > should help you and tell
>> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
>> > recordings they do not work for
>> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
>> > it will take a lot of your time.
>> >
>> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something.
>> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
>> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
>> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
>> >
>> > Sebastian,
>> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the
>> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
>> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
>> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer
>> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
>> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row.
>> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour,
>> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
>> >
>> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically
>> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
>> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last
>> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed
>> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
>> >
>> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than
>> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
>> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we
>> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
>> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one
>> > is unrelated.
>> >
>> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it
>> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this
>> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced
>> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
>> >
>> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
>> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
>> > unhappy.
>> >
>> > --
>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >
>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi there,
>> >>
>> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
>> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a
>> note
>> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested
>> on OM
>> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
>> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings.
>> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the
>> root
>> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
>> OpenMeetings
>> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I
>> would
>> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue
>> in
>> >> the Bug report.
>> >>
>> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
>> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing
>> todo
>> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
>> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
>> consumption,
>> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report
>> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think
>> that
>> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash
>> Player.
>> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was
>> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was
>> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player
>> has
>> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
>> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a
>> problem
>> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
>> >>
>> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> different
>> >> browsers or tabs)*
>> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings
>> next to
>> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
>> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is
>> a
>> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without
>> issues. So
>> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to
>> have
>> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a
>> bit
>> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
>> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in
>> multiple
>> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>> >>
>> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
>> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of
>> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice
>> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an
>> issue
>> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Sebastian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried
>> to
>> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same
>> Mozilla FF
>> >>> browser:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>> >>>
>> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the
>> >>> candidates in the bug report.
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs
>> of
>> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
>> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different
>> rooms
>> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Irina.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor666@gmail.com
>> >>> >wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings
>> (as I
>> >>> > know);
>> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
>> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's
>> not
>> >>> new
>> >>> > too
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Artyom,
>> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional
>> input
>> >>> > > from Irina.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > ---
>> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
>> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great
>> job,
>> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does
>> not
>> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> >>> > > * Recordigs
>> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
>> version)
>> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
>> >>> > > ---
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > --
>> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases
>> >>> until
>> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine
>> if
>> >>> > Linux
>> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice
>> has
>> >>> > > various
>> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example
>> because
>> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide
>> >>> voip
>> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
>> >>> Openmeetings
>> >>> > > > bugs.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip
>> is
>> >>> not
>> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe
>> Flash
>> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
>> >>> > > >> anyway.
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say,
>> >>> "does
>> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
>> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> --
>> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
>> graduated.
>> >>> > Right
>> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
>> establishing
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
>> participants.
>> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following
>> attempt
>> >>> of
>> >>> > > >> > release notes.
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1
>> hour
>> >>> > long
>> >>> > > >> > conferences)
>> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
>> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
>> >>> version)
>> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
>> in
>> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
>> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another
>> program
>> >>> > we
>> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each
>> line of
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > > >> notes?
>> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but
>> that's
>> >>> > what I
>> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the
>> >>> last
>> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
>> >>> > > >> > integration?
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may
>> help
>> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release
>> notes
>> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release
>> gets my
>> >>> > +1.
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > --
>> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >
>> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
>> >>> > OpenMeetings
>> >>> > > >> >> project.
>> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are
>> able
>> >>> to
>> >>> > > >> create
>> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a
>> >>> rather
>> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a
>> working
>> >>> > > product.
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC
>> >>> members,
>> >>> > > have
>> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
>> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
>> >>> > > >> >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by
>> adding
>> >>> > > >> denoise
>> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
>> detection in
>> >>> > > red5sip
>> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we
>> shouldn't
>> >>> > > include
>> >>> > > >> any
>> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings
>> release
>> >>> > > notes
>> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>> >>> > > >> >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > >> >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using
>> SIP
>> >>> > bridge
>> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that
>> >>> disabling
>> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves
>> audio.
>> >>> > > Artyom,
>> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site?
>> Does
>> >>> it
>> >>> > > >> worth
>> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > --
>> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is
>> possible.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback
>> in
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > >> >>> community
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
>> >>> > > instructor
>> >>> > > >> and
>> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private.
>> >>> > Please
>> >>> > > >> vote on
>> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish
>> as a
>> >>> > > result
>> >>> > > >> of
>> >>> > > >> >>> the
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I
>> >>> don't
>> >>> > > have
>> >>> > > >> a
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing
>> Apache
>> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>>
>> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > >
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> >>> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> >>> > > >> >>>
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >>
>> >>> > > >> >> --
>> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

* Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different
browsers or tabs)*
"This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
=> Then the sentence might be more like:
" Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications on Linux
can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"

My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the actual
use case is much more specific.

Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more detailed then
the Release Notes indicate.

Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect more the
detailed level of discussion that we have done now?

Thanks,
Sebastian





2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>

> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
>
> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online and
> check.
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Artyom,
> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
> > should help you and tell
> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
> > recordings they do not work for
> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
> > it will take a lot of your time.
> >
> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something.
> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> >
> > Sebastian,
> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the
> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer
> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row.
> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour,
> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> >
> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically
> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last
> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed
> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> >
> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than
> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we
> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one
> > is unrelated.
> >
> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it
> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this
> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced
> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
> >
> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
> > unhappy.
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a
> note
> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested
> on OM
> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings.
> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the
> root
> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
> OpenMeetings
> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I
> would
> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue
> in
> >> the Bug report.
> >>
> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing
> todo
> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> consumption,
> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report
> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think
> that
> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash
> Player.
> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was
> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was
> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player
> has
> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a
> problem
> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> >>
> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> different
> >> browsers or tabs)*
> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings
> next to
> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is
> a
> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without
> issues. So
> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to
> have
> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a
> bit
> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in
> multiple
> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> >>
> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of
> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice
> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an
> issue
> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> >>>
> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried
> to
> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same
> Mozilla FF
> >>> browser:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> >>>
> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the
> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> >>>
> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs
> of
> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different
> rooms
> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Irina.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor666@gmail.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings
> (as I
> >>> > know);
> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's
> not
> >>> new
> >>> > too
> >>> >
> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >>> >
> >>> > > Artyom,
> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional
> input
> >>> > > from Irina.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ---
> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great
> job,
> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does
> not
> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >>> > > * Recordigs
> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> version)
> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> >>> > > ---
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> >>> > >
> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases
> >>> until
> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine
> if
> >>> > Linux
> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice
> has
> >>> > > various
> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example
> because
> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide
> >>> voip
> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
> >>> Openmeetings
> >>> > > > bugs.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip
> is
> >>> not
> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe
> Flash
> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
> >>> > > >> anyway.
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say,
> >>> "does
> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> --
> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
> graduated.
> >>> > Right
> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
> establishing
> >>> the
> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> participants.
> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following
> attempt
> >>> of
> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1
> hour
> >>> > long
> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> >>> version)
> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
> in
> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another
> program
> >>> > we
> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each
> line of
> >>> > the
> >>> > > >> notes?
> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but
> that's
> >>> > what I
> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the
> >>> last
> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> >>> > > >> > integration?
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may
> help
> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release
> notes
> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release
> gets my
> >>> > +1.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > --
> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
> >>> > OpenMeetings
> >>> > > >> >> project.
> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are
> able
> >>> to
> >>> > > >> create
> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a
> >>> rather
> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a
> working
> >>> > > product.
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC
> >>> members,
> >>> > > have
> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >>> > > >> >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by
> adding
> >>> > > >> denoise
> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
> detection in
> >>> > > red5sip
> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we
> shouldn't
> >>> > > include
> >>> > > >> any
> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings
> release
> >>> > > notes
> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >>> > > >> >>>
> >>> > > >> >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >>> > > >> >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using
> SIP
> >>> > bridge
> >>> > > >> for
> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that
> >>> disabling
> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves
> audio.
> >>> > > Artyom,
> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site?
> Does
> >>> it
> >>> > > >> worth
> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is
> possible.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback
> in
> >>> the
> >>> > > >> >>> community
> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
> >>> > > instructor
> >>> > > >> and
> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private.
> >>> > Please
> >>> > > >> vote on
> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish
> as a
> >>> > > result
> >>> > > >> of
> >>> > > >> >>> the
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I
> >>> don't
> >>> > > have
> >>> > > >> a
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing
> Apache
> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>>
> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >>> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >>> > > >> >>>
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >>
> >>> > > >> >> --
> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)

> For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online and check.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Artyom,
> release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
> should help you and tell
> you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
> recordings they do not work for
> real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
> it will take a lot of your time.
>
> Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something.
> This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> get one with Adobe auto-updater).
>
> Sebastian,
> The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the
> problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
> locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
> generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer
> recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row.
> Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour,
> I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
>
> For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically
> worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last
> letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed
> openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
>
> As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than
> to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
> implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we
> do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
> resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one
> is unrelated.
>
> While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it
> several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this
> drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced
> SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
>
> I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
> without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
> unhappy.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
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> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
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>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
>> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a note
>> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested on OM
>> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
>> => This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings.
>> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the root
>> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of OpenMeetings
>> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I would
>> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue in
>> the Bug report.
>>
>> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
>> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing todo
>> with the second crash report in the ticket.
>> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory consumption,
>> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report
>> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think that
>> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash Player.
>> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was
>> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was
>> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player has
>> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
>> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a problem
>> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
>>
>> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different
>> browsers or tabs)*
>> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings next to
>> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
>> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is a
>> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without issues. So
>> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to have
>> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a bit
>> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
>> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in multiple
>> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>>
>> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
>> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of
>> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice
>> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an issue
>> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>>>
>>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried to
>>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same Mozilla FF
>>> browser:
>>>
>>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>>>
>>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the
>>> candidates in the bug report.
>>>
>>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs of
>>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
>>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different rooms
>>> in the same browser at the moment.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Irina.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor666@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I
>>> > know);
>>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
>>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not
>>> new
>>> > too
>>> >
>>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > > Artyom,
>>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input
>>> > > from Irina.
>>> > >
>>> > > ---
>>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
>>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>>> > >
>>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
>>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
>>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>>> > > * Recordigs
>>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
>>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>>> > > different browsers or tabs)
>>> > > ---
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > > http://dataved.ru/
>>> > > +7 916 562 8095
>>> > >
>>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>>> akhor666@gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases
>>> until
>>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if
>>> > Linux
>>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has
>>> > > various
>>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
>>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide
>>> voip
>>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
>>> Openmeetings
>>> > > > bugs.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is
>>> not
>>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
>>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
>>> > > >> anyway.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say,
>>> "does
>>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
>>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> --
>>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated.
>>> > Right
>>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing
>>> the
>>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
>>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt
>>> of
>>> > > >> > release notes.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour
>>> > long
>>> > > >> > conferences)
>>> > > >> > * Recordigs
>>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
>>> version)
>>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
>>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program
>>> > we
>>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of
>>> > the
>>> > > >> notes?
>>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's
>>> > what I
>>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the
>>> last
>>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
>>> > > >> > integration?
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
>>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
>>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my
>>> > +1.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > --
>>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
>>> > OpenMeetings
>>> > > >> >> project.
>>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able
>>> to
>>> > > >> create
>>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a
>>> rather
>>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working
>>> > > product.
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC
>>> members,
>>> > > have
>>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >> Thanks,
>>> > > >> >> Sebastian
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
>>> > > >> >>>
>>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
>>> > > >> denoise
>>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in
>>> > > red5sip
>>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't
>>> > > include
>>> > > >> any
>>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release
>>> > > notes
>>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>>> > > >> >>>
>>> > > >> >>>
>>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>> > > >> >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP
>>> > bridge
>>> > > >> for
>>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that
>>> disabling
>>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio.
>>> > > Artyom,
>>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does
>>> it
>>> > > >> worth
>>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > >> >>> > --
>>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in
>>> the
>>> > > >> >>> community
>>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>>> > > >> >>> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>>> > > >> >>> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
>>> > > instructor
>>> > > >> and
>>> > > >> >>> > sky
>>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
>>> > > >> >>> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private.
>>> > Please
>>> > > >> vote on
>>> > > >> >>> > dev,
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a
>>> > > result
>>> > > >> of
>>> > > >> >>> the
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I
>>> don't
>>> > > have
>>> > > >> a
>>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
>>> > > >> OpenMeetings
>>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>>> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>>> > > >> >>> > >>
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > >
>>> > > >> >>> > > --
>>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >> >>> >
>>> > > >> >>>
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >>
>>> > > >> >> --
>>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > > >>
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

Artyom,
release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
should help you and tell
you that despite openmeetings.apache.org  web site which mentions
recordings they do not work for
real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
it will take a lot of your time.

Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something.
This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
get one with Adobe auto-updater).

Sebastian,
The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the
problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon
locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that
generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer
recording sessions are rare exceptions).
a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row.
Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour,
I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.

For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically
worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last
letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed
openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.

As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than
to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec
implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we
do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep
resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one
is unrelated.

While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it
several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this
drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced
SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.

I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features
without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
unhappy.

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a note
> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested on OM
> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> => This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings.
> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the root
> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of OpenMeetings
> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I would
> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue in
> the Bug report.
>
> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing todo
> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory consumption,
> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report
> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think that
> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash Player.
> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was
> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was
> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player has
> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a problem
> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
>
> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different
> browsers or tabs)*
> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings next to
> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is a
> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without issues. So
> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to have
> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a bit
> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in multiple
> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>
> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of
> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice
> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an issue
> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>>
>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried to
>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same Mozilla FF
>> browser:
>>
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>>
>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the
>> candidates in the bug report.
>>
>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs of
>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different rooms
>> in the same browser at the moment.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Irina.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor666@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I
>> > know);
>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not
>> new
>> > too
>> >
>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > Artyom,
>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input
>> > > from Irina.
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>> > >
>> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> > > * Recordigs
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> > > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > ---
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > >
>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> akhor666@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases
>> until
>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if
>> > Linux
>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has
>> > > various
>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide
>> voip
>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
>> Openmeetings
>> > > > bugs.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > >
>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is
>> not
>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
>> > > >> anyway.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say,
>> "does
>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > >>
>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated.
>> > Right
>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing
>> the
>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt
>> of
>> > > >> > release notes.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour
>> > long
>> > > >> > conferences)
>> > > >> > * Recordigs
>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
>> version)
>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program
>> > we
>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of
>> > the
>> > > >> notes?
>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's
>> > what I
>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the
>> last
>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
>> > > >> > integration?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my
>> > +1.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > --
>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > >> >> project.
>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able
>> to
>> > > >> create
>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a
>> rather
>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working
>> > > product.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC
>> members,
>> > > have
>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
>> > > >> >>>
>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
>> > > >> denoise
>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in
>> > > red5sip
>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't
>> > > include
>> > > >> any
>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release
>> > > notes
>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>> > > >> >>>
>> > > >> >>>
>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> >>>
>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP
>> > bridge
>> > > >> for
>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that
>> disabling
>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio.
>> > > Artyom,
>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does
>> it
>> > > >> worth
>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > >> >>> > --
>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in
>> the
>> > > >> >>> community
>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
>> > > instructor
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> >>> > sky
>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private.
>> > Please
>> > > >> vote on
>> > > >> >>> > dev,
>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a
>> > > result
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> >>> the
>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I
>> don't
>> > > have
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
>> > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > >> >>>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> --
>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Pau Garcia i Quiles <pg...@elpauer.org>.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:

* Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different

> browsers or tabs)*
> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings next to
> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is a
> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without issues. So
> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to have
> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a bit
> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in multiple
> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>

What's the platform where this happened?

This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux: Flash running in the same
tab will ignore z-index and be on top of everything else, Flash running in
other tab may "go through" to all other tabs. The former happens always,
the latter not always but more often than I would like :-(

-- 
Pau Garcia i Quiles
http://www.elpauer.org
(Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer)

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

Hi there,

regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a note
in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested on OM
3.0. Recording works without errors.*
=> This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings.
I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the root
cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of OpenMeetings
2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I would
be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue in
the Bug report.

regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing todo
with the second crash report in the ticket.
I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory consumption,
however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report
asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think that
there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash Player.
The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was
tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was
this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player has
the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our
Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a problem
with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.

* Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different
browsers or tabs)*
=> I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings next to
each other, I do that all the time for testing.
I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is a
specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without issues. So
there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to have
only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a bit
restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
*Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in multiple
Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*

regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of
SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice
feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an issue
with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all?

Thanks,
Sebastian



2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>

> Hi All,
>
> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>
> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried to
> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same Mozilla FF
> browser:
>
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>
> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the
> candidates in the bug report.
>
> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs of
> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different rooms
> in the same browser at the moment.
>
> Regards,
> Irina.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor666@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I
> > know);
> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not
> new
> > too
> >
> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Artyom,
> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input
> > > from Irina.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> > >
> > > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> > > * Recordigs
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > > different browsers or tabs)
> > > ---
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > >
> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> akhor666@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases
> until
> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if
> > Linux
> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has
> > > various
> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide
> voip
> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of
> Openmeetings
> > > > bugs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is
> not
> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
> > > >> anyway.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say,
> "does
> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated.
> > Right
> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing
> the
> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt
> of
> > > >> > release notes.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour
> > long
> > > >> > conferences)
> > > >> > * Recordigs
> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5
> version)
> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program
> > we
> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of
> > the
> > > >> notes?
> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's
> > what I
> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the
> last
> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> > > >> > integration?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my
> > +1.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
> > OpenMeetings
> > > >> >> project.
> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able
> to
> > > >> create
> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a
> rather
> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working
> > > product.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC
> members,
> > > have
> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >> Sebastian
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
> > > >> denoise
> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in
> > > red5sip
> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't
> > > include
> > > >> any
> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release
> > > notes
> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP
> > bridge
> > > >> for
> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that
> disabling
> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio.
> > > Artyom,
> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does
> it
> > > >> worth
> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > --
> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in
> the
> > > >> >>> community
> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
> > > instructor
> > > >> and
> > > >> >>> > sky
> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > > >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private.
> > Please
> > > >> vote on
> > > >> >>> > dev,
> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a
> > > result
> > > >> of
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I
> don't
> > > have
> > > >> a
> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
> > > >> OpenMeetings
> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> >
> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> >
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > >> >
> > > >> >>> > >>
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > --
> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --
> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>.

Hi All,

Reharding the multi-tabbing:

Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried to
sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same Mozilla FF
browser:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624

It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the
candidates in the bug report.

It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs of
the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment.
For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different rooms
in the same browser at the moment.

Regards,
Irina.


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I
> know);
> Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
> There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not new
> too
>
> 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
> > Artyom,
> > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input
> > from Irina.
> >
> > ---
> > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >
> > We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> > * Recordigs
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > different browsers or tabs)
> > ---
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases until
> > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if
> Linux
> > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has
> > various
> > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
> > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide voip
> > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of Openmeetings
> > > bugs.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is not
> > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
> > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
> > >> anyway.
> > >>
> > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, "does
> > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
> > >> requirements in release notes.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>
> > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated.
> Right
> > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
> > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> > >> >
> > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
> > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
> > >> > release notes.
> > >> >
> > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour
> long
> > >> > conferences)
> > >> > * Recordigs
> > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program
> we
> > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> > >> >
> > >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of
> the
> > >> notes?
> > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's
> what I
> > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
> > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> > >> > integration?
> > >> >
> > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
> > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
> > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my
> +1.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the
> OpenMeetings
> > >> >> project.
> > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to
> > >> create
> > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
> > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working
> > product.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members,
> > have
> > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Sebastian
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
> > >> denoise
> > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in
> > red5sip
> > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't
> > include
> > >> any
> > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release
> > notes
> > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP
> bridge
> > >> for
> > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
> > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio.
> > Artyom,
> > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it
> > >> worth
> > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > --
> > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
> > >> >>> community
> > >> >>> > > about that release.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
> > instructor
> > >> and
> > >> >>> > sky
> > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> > +1
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private.
> Please
> > >> vote on
> > >> >>> > dev,
> > >> >>> > >> > as
> > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a
> > result
> > >> of
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't
> > have
> > >> a
> > >> >>> > >> Internet
> > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
> > >> OpenMeetings
> > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> >
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > >> > >>
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> > > --
> > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > >> > >
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >> > --
> > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > >> >
> > >> >>> > >>
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > --
> > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >>
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>.

Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I
know);
Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1;
There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not new
too

2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>

> Artyom,
> I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input
> from Irina.
>
> ---
> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>
> We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> * Recordigs
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> different browsers or tabs)
> ---
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases until
> > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if Linux
> > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has
> various
> > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
> > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide voip
> > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of Openmeetings
> > bugs.
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is not
> >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
> >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
> >> anyway.
> >>
> >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, "does
> >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
> >> requirements in release notes.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. Right
> >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
> >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> >> >
> >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> >> >
> >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
> >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
> >> > release notes.
> >> >
> >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour long
> >> > conferences)
> >> > * Recordigs
> >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program we
> >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >> >
> >> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of the
> >> notes?
> >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's what I
> >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
> >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> >> > integration?
> >> >
> >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
> >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
> >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my +1.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >
> >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
> >> >> project.
> >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to
> >> create
> >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
> >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working
> product.
> >> >>
> >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members,
> have
> >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Sebastian
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
> >> denoise
> >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in
> red5sip
> >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't
> include
> >> any
> >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release
> notes
> >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge
> >> for
> >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
> >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio.
> Artyom,
> >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it
> >> worth
> >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > --
> >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
> >> >>> community
> >> >>> > > about that release.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Sebastian
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with
> instructor
> >> and
> >> >>> > sky
> >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >> wrote:
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> > +1
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please
> >> vote on
> >> >>> > dev,
> >> >>> > >> > as
> >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a
> result
> >> of
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> > >> > vote.
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't
> have
> >> a
> >> >>> > >> Internet
> >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
> >> OpenMeetings
> >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >> --
> >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> > > --
> >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > >> > >
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >> > --
> >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> > >> >
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > --
> >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

Artyom,
I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input
from Irina.

---
Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
Check free red5sip product for this integration.

We also  introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
* Recordigs
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
* Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
* Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
different browsers or tabs)
---


--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

[1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
[2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
[3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases until
> red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if Linux
> developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has various
> document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
> Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide voip
> integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of Openmeetings
> bugs.
>
>
> 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is not
>> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
>> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
>> anyway.
>>
>> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, "does
>> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
>> requirements in release notes.
>>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. Right
>> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
>> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
>> >
>> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>> >
>> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
>> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
>> > release notes.
>> >
>> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour long
>> > conferences)
>> > * Recordigs
>> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
>> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> > different browsers or tabs)
>> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program we
>> > don't want to mention anymore)
>> >
>> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of the
>> notes?
>> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's what I
>> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
>> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
>> > integration?
>> >
>> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
>> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
>> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my +1.
>> >
>> > --
>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >
>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
>> >> project.
>> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to
>> create
>> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>> >>
>> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
>> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working product.
>> >>
>> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members, have
>> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Sebastian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Hello Alexei,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
>> denoise
>> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
>> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include
>> any
>> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
>> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge
>> for
>> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
>> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
>> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it
>> worth
>> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >>> >
>> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
>> >>> community
>> >>> > > about that release.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Sebastian
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor
>> and
>> >>> > sky
>> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> wrote:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > +1
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please
>> vote on
>> >>> > dev,
>> >>> > >> > as
>> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> > >> > vote.
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have
>> a
>> >>> > >> Internet
>> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
>> OpenMeetings
>> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>> --
>> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>> > >> > >>>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >> --
>> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > >> > >>
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> > > --
>> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > >> > >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > --
>> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > --
>> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>.

Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases until
red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if Linux
developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has various
document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because
Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide voip
integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of Openmeetings
bugs.


2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>

> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is not
> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
> anyway.
>
> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, "does
> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
> requirements in release notes.
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. Right
> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
> >
> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
> >
> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
> > release notes.
> >
> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour long
> > conferences)
> > * Recordigs
> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> > different browsers or tabs)
> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program we
> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >
> > Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of the
> notes?
> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's what I
> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> > integration?
> >
> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my +1.
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
> >> project.
> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to
> create
> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >>
> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working product.
> >>
> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members, have
> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >>>
> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding
> denoise
> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include
> any
> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge
> for
> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it
> worth
> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >>> >
> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
> >>> community
> >>> > > about that release.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Sebastian
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor
> and
> >>> > sky
> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > +1
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please
> vote on
> >>> > dev,
> >>> > >> > as
> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result
> of
> >>> the
> >>> > >> > vote.
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have
> a
> >>> > >> Internet
> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
> OpenMeetings
> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >>> > >> > >>>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>> > >> > >>>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >> --
> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > > --
> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > --
> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is not
a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash
is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems
anyway.

If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, "does
not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem
requirements in release notes.


--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

[1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
[2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
[3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. Right
> now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
> quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.
>
> 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>
> I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
> Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
> release notes.
>
> The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour long
> conferences)
> * Recordigs
> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> different browsers or tabs)
> * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program we
> don't want to mention anymore)
>
> Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of the notes?
> The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's what I
> get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
> item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
> integration?
>
> I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
> users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
> (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my +1.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
>> project.
>> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to create
>> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>>
>> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
>> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working product.
>>
>> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members, have
>> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hello Alexei,
>>>
>>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding denoise
>>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
>>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include any
>>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
>>> because red5sip is another application.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge for
>>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
>>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
>>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it worth
>>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > http://dataved.ru/
>>> > +7 916 562 8095
>>> >
>>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>>> > >
>>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
>>> community
>>> > > about that release.
>>> > >
>>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>>> > >
>>> > > Sebastian
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> > >
>>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and
>>> > sky
>>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > +1
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Sebastian
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > Sebastian
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on
>>> > dev,
>>> > >> > as
>>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of
>>> the
>>> > >> > vote.
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
>>> > >> Internet
>>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
>>> > >> 2.1.1
>>> > >> > >>> RC1
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>>> > >> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> --
>>> > >> > >>> WBR
>>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> --
>>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > --
>>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > --
>>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> >
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. Right
now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing the
quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality.

1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.

I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants.
Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt of
release notes.

The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour long
conferences)
* Recordigs
* Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
* Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
different browsers or tabs)
* Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program we
don't want to mention anymore)

Vasily,  could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of the notes?
The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's what I
get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the last
item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP
integration?

I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help
users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes
(improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my +1.

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

[1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
[2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
[3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
> project.
> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to create
> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>
> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working product.
>
> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members, have
> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hello Alexei,
>>
>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding denoise
>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include any
>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
>> because red5sip is another application.
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>
>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge for
>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it worth
>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> >
>> > --
>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >
>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>> > >
>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
>> community
>> > > about that release.
>> > >
>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> > >>
>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and
>> > sky
>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > +1
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sebastian
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on
>> > dev,
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of
>> the
>> > >> > vote.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
>> > >> Internet
>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
>> > >> 2.1.1
>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> > >> > >>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> > >> > >>>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> > >> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> > >> > >>>
>> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> --
>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> --
>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > --
>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the OpenMeetings
project.
Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able to create
an Incubator project around Red5Sip.

I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a rather
esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working product.

However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC members, have
you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?

Thanks,
Sebastian


2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>

> Hello Alexei,
>
> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding denoise
> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include any
> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
> because red5sip is another application.
>
>
> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge for
> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it worth
> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
> > >
> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the
> community
> > > about that release.
> > >
> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> > >
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> > >>
> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> > >>
> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and
> > sky
> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> > >> >
> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> > >> >
> > >> > +1
> > >> >
> > >> > Sebastian
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > >> >
> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sebastian
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on
> > dev,
> > >> > as
> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of
> the
> > >> > vote.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
> > >> Internet
> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > >> > >> Sebastian
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
> > >> 2.1.1
> > >> > >>> RC1
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Readme:
> > >> > >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > >> > >>>
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > >> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> > >> > >>>
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> --
> > >> > >>> WBR
> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> --
> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>.

Hello Alexei,

I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding denoise
and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in red5sip
because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't include any
information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release notes
because red5sip is another application.


2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>

> Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge for
> my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
> jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
> where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it worth
> reflecting this in release notes?
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
> >
> > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the community
> > about that release.
> >
> > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >>
> >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
> >>
> >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and
> sky
> >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >> >
> >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> >> >
> >> > +1
> >> >
> >> > Sebastian
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >> > >
> >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> >> > >
> >> > > Sebastian
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on
> dev,
> >> > as
> >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the
> >> > vote.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
> >> Internet
> >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >> Sebastian
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
> >> 2.1.1
> >> > >>> RC1
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Readme:
> >> > >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >> > >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >> > >>> C467526E):
> >> > >>>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>> WBR
> >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.

Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP bridge for
my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that disabling
jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. Artyom,
where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does it worth
reflecting this in release notes?

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095

[1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
[2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
[3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.
>
> However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the community
> about that release.
>
> Anybody else has been testing this release?
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>
>> I believe we should release rc1.
>>
>> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>>
>> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and sky
>> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> >
>> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > Sebastian
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> > >
>> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on dev,
>> > as
>> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the
>> > vote.
>> > >>
>> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
>> Internet
>> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Sebastian
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
>> 2.1.1
>> > >>> RC1
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Readme:
>> > >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> > >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> > >>>
>> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> > >>> C467526E):
>> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
>> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> WBR
>> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible.

However it would be good if there is some more feedback in the community
about that release.

Anybody else has been testing this release?

Sebastian


2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> I believe we should release rc1.
>
> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?
>
> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and sky
> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I could only find one minor issue:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >
> > I think that is still good to go out as a release.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> > >
> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> > >
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on dev,
> > as
> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the
> > vote.
> > >>
> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a
> Internet
> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> > >>>
> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings
> 2.1.1
> > >>> RC1
> > >>>
> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> > >>>
> > >>> Readme:
> > >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Full Changelog:
> > >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> > >>>
> > >>> Release artifacts:
> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> > >>>
> > >>> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> > >>>
> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> > >>> C467526E):
> > >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> > >>>
> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] +1  approve
> > >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> > >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> > >>>
> > >>> My vote is +1.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> WBR
> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.

I believe we should release rc1.

@Sebastian can you publish and announce the release?

BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with instructor and sky
acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I could only find one minor issue:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>
> I think that is still good to go out as a release.
>
> +1
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>
> > I am sorry for the delay.
> >
> > The vote is now actually outdated.
> > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >
> > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on dev,
> as
> >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the
> vote.
> >>
> >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a Internet
> >> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1
> >>> RC1
> >>>
> >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >>>
> >>> Readme:
> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Full Changelog:
> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >>>
> >>> Release artifacts:
> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >>>
> >>> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >>>
> >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >>> C467526E):
> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >>>
> >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1  approve
> >>> [ ] +0  no opinion
> >>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >>>
> >>> My vote is +1.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> WBR
> >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

I could only find one minor issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681

I think that is still good to go out as a release.

+1

Sebastian


2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>

> I am sorry for the delay.
>
> The vote is now actually outdated.
> Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>
> Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on dev, as
>> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the vote.
>>
>> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a Internet
>> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>>
>>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1
>>> RC1
>>>
>>> Main changes are covered in the
>>>
>>> Readme:
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>>>
>>>
>>> Full Changelog:
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>>>
>>> Release artifacts:
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>>>
>>> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>>>
>>> PGP release keys (signed using
>>> C467526E):
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>>>
>>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1  approve
>>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>>
>>> My vote is +1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

I am sorry for the delay.

The vote is now actually outdated.
Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ?

Sebastian


2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>

> Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on dev, as
> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the vote.
>
> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a Internet
> connection good enough while I travel abroad.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>
>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>
>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 RC1
>>
>> Main changes are covered in the
>>
>> Readme: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>>
>>
>> Full Changelog:
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>>
>> Release artifacts:
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>>
>> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>>
>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> C467526E):
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>>
>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>
>> [ ] +1  approve
>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>
>> My vote is +1.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.

Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. Please vote on dev, as
the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a result of the vote.

I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I don't have a Internet
connection good enough while I travel abroad.

Thanks,
Sebastian




2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>
> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 RC1
>
> Main changes are covered in the
>
> Readme: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>
>
> Full Changelog:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>
> Release artifacts:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>
> Tag: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>
> PGP release keys (signed using
> C467526E):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>
> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>
> [ ] +1  approve
> [ ] +0  no opinion
> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>
> My vote is +1.
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com