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Posted to dev@fineract.apache.org by Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> on 2018/03/07 22:49:41 UTC
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I wanted
to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check in on
the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope out
another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the needed
clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
have the GSOC student work on the beta.
Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone -
>
> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to understand
> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what things
> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where the
> gateway is at.
>
> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has been
> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some basic
> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound (disbursements)
> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed much
> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>
> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
> ActiveMQ
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>
> And the repo is here:
> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>
> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are additional
> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>
> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between an MFI
> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
> provider/aggregator)
> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out the
> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
> testing disbursals and repayments
> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet developed -
> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
--
*Ed Cable*
President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
<(484)%20477-8649>
*Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
<http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>.
Agreed - we will make sure that Beyonic integration is one of the tasks
that we create.
Thanks,
Steve
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Vladimir,
>
> Per Myrle's email yesterday, rather than have a meeting which is difficult
> to coordinate across multiple time zones, we're going to attempt to move
> forward and work through remaining questions asynchronously.
>
> Have you had a chance to look at Antony's latest code? Part of the concern
> was ensuring that your complete data model was also part of his
> implementation. Do you still have time to assist with the same? I'd like us
> to get to an alpha release of this and then have a student work on it for
> GSOC as well but would like to ship part of the functionality especially
> since we'd like to leverage part of the payment gateway in our Mifos Mobile
> app as well.
>
> Steve, while Mojaloop will be one good test integration I'd like us to
> also still utilize Beyonic as a test integration as well since that's
> already in progress, the APIs are well-documented, and it would be provide
> immediate value to the community as it would enable access to multiple
> mobile money providers in East Africa.
>
> Denila - if you're still tracking on this thread, are you able to assist
> in drafting some of the functional use cases that would be a part of
> current work going on as well as part of GSOC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:00 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After talking with James and the group about Mojaloop integration with
>> Fineract, it looks like there is an opportunity to use that integration a
>> good test case for the payment gateway. I would like to create a test
>> environment that uses 2 (or more) instances of Fineract with the Payment
>> Gateway to test various scenarios (peer-to-peer payment, merchant payment,
>> etc) through Mojaloop.
>>
>> We also talked about using the Mojaloop communication flow as the
>> standard for the payment gateway. I think the gateway is architected with a
>> communication flow that is similar, but we may want to adjust it a bit to
>> ensure we are compatible with the Mojaloop architecture.
>>
>> Ed, I am fine to create some JIRA tickets for the tasks that we need to
>> complete for the gateway (use cases still to be implemented, creating a
>> simple client, integration with various providers, testing). We can work
>> those tasks or create GSOC projects from them.
>>
>> Let me know if you have thoughts or questions or if you're interested in
>> working on any of these tasks.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> At this point:
>>> - I have migrated to Actvemq
>>> - also handled incoming payments,
>>> - done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate to
>>> accounting.
>>> We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
>>>
>>> Kind Regard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Antony,
>>>
>>> In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
>>> your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it merged
>>> in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to
>>> continue
>>> work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that
>>> could
>>> comprise a GSOC project.
>>>
>>> Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony
>>> and
>>> Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we
>>> can
>>> > attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get
>>> any
>>> > responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
>>> > structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
>>> > otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the
>>> list.
>>> >
>>> > If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting
>>> and
>>> > will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Ed
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey Ed,
>>> >>
>>> >> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
>>> >> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>>> >> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>>> >> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>>> >>
>>> >> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
>>> >> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
>>> >> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>>> >> start.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post
>>> on it.
>>> >> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>>> >> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-s
>>> ource.html
>>> >>
>>> >> Best Regards,
>>> >> Myrle
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>> >> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
>>> >> wanted
>>> >> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
>>> >> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified,
>>> check
>>> >> in on
>>> >> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can
>>> incorporate
>>> >> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to
>>> scope
>>> >> out
>>> >> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
>>> >> needed
>>> >> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to
>>> after
>>> >> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to
>>> GSOC and
>>> >> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>>> >> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi everyone -
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>>> >> understand
>>> >> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
>>> >> things
>>> >> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of
>>> where
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> gateway is at.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work
>>> has
>>> >> been
>>> >> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and
>>> some
>>> >> basic
>>> >> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>>> >> (disbursements)
>>> >> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a
>>> parallel
>>> >> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has
>>> developed
>>> >> much
>>> >> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract
>>> platform,
>>> >> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has
>>> been
>>> >> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from
>>> RabbitMQ to
>>> >> >> ActiveMQ
>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> And the repo is here:
>>> >> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to
>>> build on
>>> >> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data
>>> model
>>> >> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform
>>> -
>>> >> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>>> >> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for
>>> error
>>> >> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>>> >> additional
>>> >> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing
>>> this
>>> >> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>>> >> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters
>>> between
>>> >> an MFI
>>> >> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection
>>> to a
>>> >> >> provider/aggregator)
>>> >> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove
>>> out
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>>> >> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test
>>> platform -
>>> >> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>>> >> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>>> >> developed -
>>> >> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>> >> >> Steve
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > *Ed Cable*
>>> >>
>>> >> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> >> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> >> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>>> http://mifos.org
>>> >> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *Ed Cable*
>>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>> >
>>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ed Cable*
>>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>>
>>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <(484)%20477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Vladimir Fomene <vl...@gmail.com>.
Hello all,
Hope this email finds you well. I have been able to go through Antony's
latest changes. He has implemented all the functionalities of the gateway.
That is, the gateway now supports and inbound and outbound transactions.
You can also dynamically create queues from the gateway. We will not need
my data model any longer. I think the next step we should take is reviewing
his code, testing it and developing the beyonic service that will work it.
As Antony earlier said, we need to develop the UI and integrate with
accounting. Ed, I think we can have a call to discuss how we can move on
from here.
Kind regards,
Vladimir Fomene
On 13 March 2018 at 05:37, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Vladmir,
>
> Here is the code
> *fork:* https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
> *branch:* payment-gateway-integration
> *diff:* https://github.com/apache/fineract/compare/
> develop...OmexIT:payment-gateway-integration
>
> Kind Regards
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:08 PM, Vladimir Fomene <vladimirfomene@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello Ed,
>> Hope this email finds you well. Apology for the late reply, I have been
>> trying to make progress on my thesis project. I have not had the
>> opportunity to look at Antony's latest code, but I have sent him request
>> for him to share it with me. With regards, to integrating my data model
>> with his code, I think I will have time to do it.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vladimir Fomene
>>
>> On 9 March 2018 at 15:06, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Vladimir,
>>>
>>> Per Myrle's email yesterday, rather than have a meeting which is
>>> difficult to coordinate across multiple time zones, we're going to attempt
>>> to move forward and work through remaining questions asynchronously.
>>>
>>> Have you had a chance to look at Antony's latest code? Part of the
>>> concern was ensuring that your complete data model was also part of his
>>> implementation. Do you still have time to assist with the same? I'd like us
>>> to get to an alpha release of this and then have a student work on it for
>>> GSOC as well but would like to ship part of the functionality especially
>>> since we'd like to leverage part of the payment gateway in our Mifos Mobile
>>> app as well.
>>>
>>> Steve, while Mojaloop will be one good test integration I'd like us to
>>> also still utilize Beyonic as a test integration as well since that's
>>> already in progress, the APIs are well-documented, and it would be provide
>>> immediate value to the community as it would enable access to multiple
>>> mobile money providers in East Africa.
>>>
>>> Denila - if you're still tracking on this thread, are you able to assist
>>> in drafting some of the functional use cases that would be a part of
>>> current work going on as well as part of GSOC?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:00 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After talking with James and the group about Mojaloop integration with
>>>> Fineract, it looks like there is an opportunity to use that integration a
>>>> good test case for the payment gateway. I would like to create a test
>>>> environment that uses 2 (or more) instances of Fineract with the Payment
>>>> Gateway to test various scenarios (peer-to-peer payment, merchant payment,
>>>> etc) through Mojaloop.
>>>>
>>>> We also talked about using the Mojaloop communication flow as the
>>>> standard for the payment gateway. I think the gateway is architected with a
>>>> communication flow that is similar, but we may want to adjust it a bit to
>>>> ensure we are compatible with the Mojaloop architecture.
>>>>
>>>> Ed, I am fine to create some JIRA tickets for the tasks that we need to
>>>> complete for the gateway (use cases still to be implemented, creating a
>>>> simple client, integration with various providers, testing). We can work
>>>> those tasks or create GSOC projects from them.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have thoughts or questions or if you're interested
>>>> in working on any of these tasks.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point:
>>>>> - I have migrated to Actvemq
>>>>> - also handled incoming payments,
>>>>> - done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate
>>>>> to
>>>>> accounting.
>>>>> We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony,
>>>>>
>>>>> In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
>>>>> your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it
>>>>> merged
>>>>> in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to
>>>>> continue
>>>>> work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that
>>>>> could
>>>>> comprise a GSOC project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with
>>>>> Antony and
>>>>> Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it
>>>>> we can
>>>>> > attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't
>>>>> get any
>>>>> > responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
>>>>> > structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
>>>>> > otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the
>>>>> list.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting
>>>>> and
>>>>> > will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ed
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Hey Ed,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making
>>>>> a
>>>>> >> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>>>>> >> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>>>>> >> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the
>>>>> world,
>>>>> >> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good
>>>>> their
>>>>> >> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>>>>> >> start.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post
>>>>> on it.
>>>>> >> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>>>>> >> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-s
>>>>> ource.html
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>>>> >> Myrle
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the
>>>>> delay. I
>>>>> >> wanted
>>>>> >> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we
>>>>> can
>>>>> >> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified,
>>>>> check
>>>>> >> in on
>>>>> >> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can
>>>>> incorporate
>>>>> >> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to
>>>>> scope
>>>>> >> out
>>>>> >> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> needed
>>>>> >> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior
>>>>> to after
>>>>> >> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to
>>>>> GSOC and
>>>>> >> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>>>>> >> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <
>>>>> sconrad1@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Hi everyone -
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>>>>> >> understand
>>>>> >> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine
>>>>> what
>>>>> >> things
>>>>> >> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of
>>>>> where
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> >> gateway is at.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work
>>>>> has
>>>>> >> been
>>>>> >> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and
>>>>> some
>>>>> >> basic
>>>>> >> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>>>>> >> (disbursements)
>>>>> >> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a
>>>>> parallel
>>>>> >> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has
>>>>> developed
>>>>> >> much
>>>>> >> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract
>>>>> platform,
>>>>> >> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has
>>>>> been
>>>>> >> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from
>>>>> RabbitMQ to
>>>>> >> >> ActiveMQ
>>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57
>>>>> vo
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> And the repo is here:
>>>>> >> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to
>>>>> build on
>>>>> >> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's
>>>>> data model
>>>>> >> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's
>>>>> platform -
>>>>> >> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality
>>>>> for error
>>>>> >> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>>>>> >> additional
>>>>> >> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on
>>>>> bringing this
>>>>> >> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>>>>> >> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters
>>>>> between
>>>>> >> an MFI
>>>>> >> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI
>>>>> connection to a
>>>>> >> >> provider/aggregator)
>>>>> >> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to
>>>>> prove out
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>>>>> >> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test
>>>>> platform -
>>>>> >> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>>>>> >> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>>>>> >> developed -
>>>>> >> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >> >> Steve
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > *Ed Cable*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>>>> >> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>>>> >> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>>>>> http://mifos.org
>>>>> >> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > *Ed Cable*
>>>>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>>>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>>>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>>>>> http://mifos.org
>>>>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Ed Cable*
>>>>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>>>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>>>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>>>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ed Cable*
>>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>>
>>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>.
Hi Vladmir,
Here is the code
*fork:* https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
*branch:* payment-gateway-integration
*diff:*
https://github.com/apache/fineract/compare/develop...OmexIT:payment-gateway-integration
Kind Regards
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:08 PM, Vladimir Fomene <vl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Ed,
> Hope this email finds you well. Apology for the late reply, I have been
> trying to make progress on my thesis project. I have not had the
> opportunity to look at Antony's latest code, but I have sent him request
> for him to share it with me. With regards, to integrating my data model
> with his code, I think I will have time to do it.
>
> Best,
> Vladimir Fomene
>
> On 9 March 2018 at 15:06, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
>> Vladimir,
>>
>> Per Myrle's email yesterday, rather than have a meeting which is
>> difficult to coordinate across multiple time zones, we're going to attempt
>> to move forward and work through remaining questions asynchronously.
>>
>> Have you had a chance to look at Antony's latest code? Part of the
>> concern was ensuring that your complete data model was also part of his
>> implementation. Do you still have time to assist with the same? I'd like us
>> to get to an alpha release of this and then have a student work on it for
>> GSOC as well but would like to ship part of the functionality especially
>> since we'd like to leverage part of the payment gateway in our Mifos Mobile
>> app as well.
>>
>> Steve, while Mojaloop will be one good test integration I'd like us to
>> also still utilize Beyonic as a test integration as well since that's
>> already in progress, the APIs are well-documented, and it would be provide
>> immediate value to the community as it would enable access to multiple
>> mobile money providers in East Africa.
>>
>> Denila - if you're still tracking on this thread, are you able to assist
>> in drafting some of the functional use cases that would be a part of
>> current work going on as well as part of GSOC?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:00 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After talking with James and the group about Mojaloop integration with
>>> Fineract, it looks like there is an opportunity to use that integration a
>>> good test case for the payment gateway. I would like to create a test
>>> environment that uses 2 (or more) instances of Fineract with the Payment
>>> Gateway to test various scenarios (peer-to-peer payment, merchant payment,
>>> etc) through Mojaloop.
>>>
>>> We also talked about using the Mojaloop communication flow as the
>>> standard for the payment gateway. I think the gateway is architected with a
>>> communication flow that is similar, but we may want to adjust it a bit to
>>> ensure we are compatible with the Mojaloop architecture.
>>>
>>> Ed, I am fine to create some JIRA tickets for the tasks that we need to
>>> complete for the gateway (use cases still to be implemented, creating a
>>> simple client, integration with various providers, testing). We can work
>>> those tasks or create GSOC projects from them.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have thoughts or questions or if you're interested in
>>> working on any of these tasks.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> At this point:
>>>> - I have migrated to Actvemq
>>>> - also handled incoming payments,
>>>> - done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate to
>>>> accounting.
>>>> We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Antony,
>>>>
>>>> In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
>>>> your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it
>>>> merged
>>>> in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to
>>>> continue
>>>> work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that
>>>> could
>>>> comprise a GSOC project.
>>>>
>>>> Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony
>>>> and
>>>> Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we
>>>> can
>>>> > attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get
>>>> any
>>>> > responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
>>>> > structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
>>>> > otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the
>>>> list.
>>>> >
>>>> > If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting
>>>> and
>>>> > will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ed
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hey Ed,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
>>>> >> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>>>> >> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>>>> >> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the
>>>> world,
>>>> >> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good
>>>> their
>>>> >> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>>>> >> start.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post
>>>> on it.
>>>> >> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>>>> >> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-s
>>>> ource.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>>> >> Myrle
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>> >> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay.
>>>> I
>>>> >> wanted
>>>> >> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we
>>>> can
>>>> >> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified,
>>>> check
>>>> >> in on
>>>> >> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can
>>>> incorporate
>>>> >> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to
>>>> scope
>>>> >> out
>>>> >> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
>>>> >> needed
>>>> >> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to
>>>> after
>>>> >> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to
>>>> GSOC and
>>>> >> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>>>> >> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sconrad1@gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Hi everyone -
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>>>> >> understand
>>>> >> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
>>>> >> things
>>>> >> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of
>>>> where
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> >> gateway is at.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work
>>>> has
>>>> >> been
>>>> >> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and
>>>> some
>>>> >> basic
>>>> >> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>>>> >> (disbursements)
>>>> >> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a
>>>> parallel
>>>> >> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has
>>>> developed
>>>> >> much
>>>> >> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract
>>>> platform,
>>>> >> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has
>>>> been
>>>> >> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from
>>>> RabbitMQ to
>>>> >> >> ActiveMQ
>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> And the repo is here:
>>>> >> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to
>>>> build on
>>>> >> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data
>>>> model
>>>> >> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's
>>>> platform -
>>>> >> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>>>> >> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for
>>>> error
>>>> >> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>>>> >> additional
>>>> >> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing
>>>> this
>>>> >> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>>>> >> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters
>>>> between
>>>> >> an MFI
>>>> >> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection
>>>> to a
>>>> >> >> provider/aggregator)
>>>> >> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to
>>>> prove out
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>>>> >> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test
>>>> platform -
>>>> >> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>>>> >> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>>>> >> developed -
>>>> >> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>>> >> >> Steve
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > *Ed Cable*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>>> >> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>>> >> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>>>> http://mifos.org
>>>> >> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > *Ed Cable*
>>>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>>> >
>>>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>>>> http://mifos.org
>>>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Ed Cable*
>>>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>>>
>>>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Ed Cable*
>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>
>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>
>>
>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Vladimir Fomene <vl...@gmail.com>.
Hello Ed,
Hope this email finds you well. Apology for the late reply, I have been
trying to make progress on my thesis project. I have not had the
opportunity to look at Antony's latest code, but I have sent him request
for him to share it with me. With regards, to integrating my data model
with his code, I think I will have time to do it.
Best,
Vladimir Fomene
On 9 March 2018 at 15:06, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Vladimir,
>
> Per Myrle's email yesterday, rather than have a meeting which is difficult
> to coordinate across multiple time zones, we're going to attempt to move
> forward and work through remaining questions asynchronously.
>
> Have you had a chance to look at Antony's latest code? Part of the concern
> was ensuring that your complete data model was also part of his
> implementation. Do you still have time to assist with the same? I'd like us
> to get to an alpha release of this and then have a student work on it for
> GSOC as well but would like to ship part of the functionality especially
> since we'd like to leverage part of the payment gateway in our Mifos Mobile
> app as well.
>
> Steve, while Mojaloop will be one good test integration I'd like us to
> also still utilize Beyonic as a test integration as well since that's
> already in progress, the APIs are well-documented, and it would be provide
> immediate value to the community as it would enable access to multiple
> mobile money providers in East Africa.
>
> Denila - if you're still tracking on this thread, are you able to assist
> in drafting some of the functional use cases that would be a part of
> current work going on as well as part of GSOC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:00 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After talking with James and the group about Mojaloop integration with
>> Fineract, it looks like there is an opportunity to use that integration a
>> good test case for the payment gateway. I would like to create a test
>> environment that uses 2 (or more) instances of Fineract with the Payment
>> Gateway to test various scenarios (peer-to-peer payment, merchant payment,
>> etc) through Mojaloop.
>>
>> We also talked about using the Mojaloop communication flow as the
>> standard for the payment gateway. I think the gateway is architected with a
>> communication flow that is similar, but we may want to adjust it a bit to
>> ensure we are compatible with the Mojaloop architecture.
>>
>> Ed, I am fine to create some JIRA tickets for the tasks that we need to
>> complete for the gateway (use cases still to be implemented, creating a
>> simple client, integration with various providers, testing). We can work
>> those tasks or create GSOC projects from them.
>>
>> Let me know if you have thoughts or questions or if you're interested in
>> working on any of these tasks.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> At this point:
>>> - I have migrated to Actvemq
>>> - also handled incoming payments,
>>> - done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate to
>>> accounting.
>>> We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
>>>
>>> Kind Regard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Antony,
>>>
>>> In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
>>> your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it merged
>>> in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to
>>> continue
>>> work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that
>>> could
>>> comprise a GSOC project.
>>>
>>> Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony
>>> and
>>> Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we
>>> can
>>> > attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get
>>> any
>>> > responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
>>> > structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
>>> > otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the
>>> list.
>>> >
>>> > If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting
>>> and
>>> > will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Ed
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey Ed,
>>> >>
>>> >> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
>>> >> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>>> >> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>>> >> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>>> >>
>>> >> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
>>> >> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
>>> >> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>>> >> start.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post
>>> on it.
>>> >> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>>> >> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-s
>>> ource.html
>>> >>
>>> >> Best Regards,
>>> >> Myrle
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>> >> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
>>> >> wanted
>>> >> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
>>> >> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified,
>>> check
>>> >> in on
>>> >> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can
>>> incorporate
>>> >> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to
>>> scope
>>> >> out
>>> >> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
>>> >> needed
>>> >> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to
>>> after
>>> >> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to
>>> GSOC and
>>> >> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>>> >> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi everyone -
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>>> >> understand
>>> >> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
>>> >> things
>>> >> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of
>>> where
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> gateway is at.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work
>>> has
>>> >> been
>>> >> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and
>>> some
>>> >> basic
>>> >> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>>> >> (disbursements)
>>> >> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a
>>> parallel
>>> >> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has
>>> developed
>>> >> much
>>> >> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract
>>> platform,
>>> >> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has
>>> been
>>> >> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from
>>> RabbitMQ to
>>> >> >> ActiveMQ
>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> And the repo is here:
>>> >> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to
>>> build on
>>> >> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data
>>> model
>>> >> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform
>>> -
>>> >> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>>> >> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for
>>> error
>>> >> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>>> >> additional
>>> >> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing
>>> this
>>> >> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>>> >> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters
>>> between
>>> >> an MFI
>>> >> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection
>>> to a
>>> >> >> provider/aggregator)
>>> >> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove
>>> out
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>>> >> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test
>>> platform -
>>> >> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>>> >> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>>> >> developed -
>>> >> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>> >> >> Steve
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > *Ed Cable*
>>> >>
>>> >> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> >> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> >> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>>> http://mifos.org
>>> >> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *Ed Cable*
>>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>>> >
>>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ed Cable*
>>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>>
>>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>.
Vladimir,
Per Myrle's email yesterday, rather than have a meeting which is difficult
to coordinate across multiple time zones, we're going to attempt to move
forward and work through remaining questions asynchronously.
Have you had a chance to look at Antony's latest code? Part of the concern
was ensuring that your complete data model was also part of his
implementation. Do you still have time to assist with the same? I'd like us
to get to an alpha release of this and then have a student work on it for
GSOC as well but would like to ship part of the functionality especially
since we'd like to leverage part of the payment gateway in our Mifos Mobile
app as well.
Steve, while Mojaloop will be one good test integration I'd like us to also
still utilize Beyonic as a test integration as well since that's already in
progress, the APIs are well-documented, and it would be provide immediate
value to the community as it would enable access to multiple mobile money
providers in East Africa.
Denila - if you're still tracking on this thread, are you able to assist in
drafting some of the functional use cases that would be a part of current
work going on as well as part of GSOC?
Thanks,
Ed
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:00 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> After talking with James and the group about Mojaloop integration with
> Fineract, it looks like there is an opportunity to use that integration a
> good test case for the payment gateway. I would like to create a test
> environment that uses 2 (or more) instances of Fineract with the Payment
> Gateway to test various scenarios (peer-to-peer payment, merchant payment,
> etc) through Mojaloop.
>
> We also talked about using the Mojaloop communication flow as the standard
> for the payment gateway. I think the gateway is architected with a
> communication flow that is similar, but we may want to adjust it a bit to
> ensure we are compatible with the Mojaloop architecture.
>
> Ed, I am fine to create some JIRA tickets for the tasks that we need to
> complete for the gateway (use cases still to be implemented, creating a
> simple client, integration with various providers, testing). We can work
> those tasks or create GSOC projects from them.
>
> Let me know if you have thoughts or questions or if you're interested in
> working on any of these tasks.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> At this point:
>> - I have migrated to Actvemq
>> - also handled incoming payments,
>> - done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
>>
>>
>> The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate to
>> accounting.
>> We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
>>
>> Kind Regard
>>
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>> Antony,
>>
>> In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
>> your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it merged
>> in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to continue
>> work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that
>> could
>> comprise a GSOC project.
>>
>> Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony
>> and
>> Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we
>> can
>> > attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get
>> any
>> > responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
>> > structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
>> > otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the
>> list.
>> >
>> > If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting and
>> > will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Ed,
>> >>
>> >> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
>> >> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>> >> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>> >> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
>> >> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
>> >> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>> >> start.
>> >>
>> >> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post on
>> it.
>> >> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>> >> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-source.html
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Myrle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>> >> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
>> >> wanted
>> >> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
>> >> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check
>> >> in on
>> >> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
>> >> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to
>> scope
>> >> out
>> >> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
>> >> needed
>> >> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to
>> after
>> >> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC
>> and
>> >> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>> >> >
>> >> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>> >> >
>> >> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>> >> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi everyone -
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>> >> understand
>> >> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
>> >> things
>> >> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of
>> where
>> >> the
>> >> >> gateway is at.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has
>> >> been
>> >> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some
>> >> basic
>> >> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>> >> (disbursements)
>> >> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a
>> parallel
>> >> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has
>> developed
>> >> much
>> >> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract
>> platform,
>> >> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has
>> been
>> >> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from
>> RabbitMQ to
>> >> >> ActiveMQ
>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And the repo is here:
>> >> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build
>> on
>> >> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data
>> model
>> >> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
>> >> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>> >> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for
>> error
>> >> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>> >> additional
>> >> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing
>> this
>> >> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>> >> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between
>> >> an MFI
>> >> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection
>> to a
>> >> >> provider/aggregator)
>> >> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove
>> out
>> >> the
>> >> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>> >> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test
>> platform -
>> >> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>> >> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>> >> developed -
>> >> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > *Ed Cable*
>> >>
>> >> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>> >> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>> >> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>> >> >
>> >> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
>> http://mifos.org
>> >> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Ed Cable*
>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>> >
>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Ed Cable*
>> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>>
>> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>
>
>
--
*Ed Cable*
President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
*Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
<http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>.
After talking with James and the group about Mojaloop integration with
Fineract, it looks like there is an opportunity to use that integration a
good test case for the payment gateway. I would like to create a test
environment that uses 2 (or more) instances of Fineract with the Payment
Gateway to test various scenarios (peer-to-peer payment, merchant payment,
etc) through Mojaloop.
We also talked about using the Mojaloop communication flow as the standard
for the payment gateway. I think the gateway is architected with a
communication flow that is similar, but we may want to adjust it a bit to
ensure we are compatible with the Mojaloop architecture.
Ed, I am fine to create some JIRA tickets for the tasks that we need to
complete for the gateway (use cases still to be implemented, creating a
simple client, integration with various providers, testing). We can work
those tasks or create GSOC projects from them.
Let me know if you have thoughts or questions or if you're interested in
working on any of these tasks.
Thanks,
Steve
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> At this point:
> - I have migrated to Actvemq
> - also handled incoming payments,
> - done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
>
>
> The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate to
> accounting.
> We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
>
> Kind Regard
>
>
> On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
> Antony,
>
> In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
> your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it merged
> in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to continue
> work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that could
> comprise a GSOC project.
>
> Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony and
> Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
>
> Ed
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we can
> > attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get any
> > responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
> > structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
> > otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the list.
> >
> > If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting and
> > will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Ed,
> >>
> >> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
> >> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
> >> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
> >> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
> >>
> >> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
> >> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
> >> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
> >> start.
> >>
> >> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post on
> it.
> >> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
> >> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-source.html
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Myrle
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> >> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
> >> wanted
> >> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
> >> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check
> >> in on
> >> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
> >> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to
> scope
> >> out
> >> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
> >> needed
> >> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to
> after
> >> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC
> and
> >> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
> >> >
> >> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
> >> >
> >> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
> >> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi everyone -
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
> >> understand
> >> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
> >> things
> >> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of
> where
> >> the
> >> >> gateway is at.
> >> >>
> >> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has
> >> been
> >> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some
> >> basic
> >> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
> >> (disbursements)
> >> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a
> parallel
> >> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has
> developed
> >> much
> >> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract
> platform,
> >> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
> >> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ
> to
> >> >> ActiveMQ
> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
> >> >>
> >> >> And the repo is here:
> >> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build
> on
> >> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data
> model
> >> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
> >> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
> >> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for
> error
> >> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
> >> additional
> >> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing
> this
> >> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
> >> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between
> >> an MFI
> >> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to
> a
> >> >> provider/aggregator)
> >> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove
> out
> >> the
> >> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
> >> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test
> platform -
> >> >> testing disbursals and repayments
> >> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
> >> developed -
> >> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Steve
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > *Ed Cable*
> >>
> >> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> >> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> >> > <(484)%20477-8649>
> >> >
> >> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *
> http://mifos.org
> >> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Ed Cable*
> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> > <(484)%20477-8649>
> >
> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <+1%20484-477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Antony Omeri <an...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ed,
At this point:
- I have migrated to Actvemq
- also handled incoming payments,
- done with adding infrastructure for outgoing payment.
The only thing remaining is developing UI and also a way to integrate to
accounting.
We also need enough testing. Incase of questions am available online
Kind Regard
On 8 Mar 2018 19:58, "Ed Cable" <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
Antony,
In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it merged
in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to continue
work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that could
comprise a GSOC project.
Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony and
Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
Ed
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we can
> attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get any
> responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
> structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
> otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the list.
>
> If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting and
> will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>
> Ed
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Ed,
>>
>> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
>> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>>
>> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
>> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
>> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>> start.
>>
>> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post on it.
>> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-source.html
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Myrle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
>> wanted
>> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
>> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check
>> in on
>> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
>> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope
>> out
>> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
>> needed
>> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
>> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
>> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>> >
>> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>> >
>> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi everyone -
>> >>
>> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>> understand
>> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
>> things
>> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where
>> the
>> >> gateway is at.
>> >>
>> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has
>> been
>> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some
>> basic
>> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>> (disbursements)
>> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
>> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed
>> much
>> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
>> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>> >>
>> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
>> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
>> >> ActiveMQ
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>> >>
>> >> And the repo is here:
>> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>> >>
>> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
>> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
>> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
>> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
>> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>> additional
>> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>> >>
>> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
>> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between
>> an MFI
>> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
>> >> provider/aggregator)
>> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out
>> the
>> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
>> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>> developed -
>> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Ed Cable*
>>
>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>> >
>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <(484)%20477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
>
--
*Ed Cable*
President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
<+1%20484-477-8649>
*Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
<http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>.
Antony,
In lieu of a meeting, could you update the community on the progress of
your code - when it's at a point to be merged, we'd like to get it merged
in and then be able to create corresponding tickets for others to continue
work in the near term and then also scope out additional tickets that could
comprise a GSOC project.
Steve - if I give you the proper karma, do you want to work with Antony and
Vladimir to create the appropriate tickets on JIRA?
Ed
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we can
> attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get any
> responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
> structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
> otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the list.
>
> If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting and
> will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
>
> Ed
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Ed,
>>
>> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
>> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
>> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
>> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>>
>> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
>> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
>> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
>> start.
>>
>> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post on it.
>> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-comm
>> unication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-source.html
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Myrle
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
>> wanted
>> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
>> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check
>> in on
>> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
>> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope
>> out
>> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
>> needed
>> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
>> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
>> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>> >
>> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>> >
>> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
>> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi everyone -
>> >>
>> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>> understand
>> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
>> things
>> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where
>> the
>> >> gateway is at.
>> >>
>> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has
>> been
>> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some
>> basic
>> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>> (disbursements)
>> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
>> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed
>> much
>> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
>> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>> >>
>> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
>> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
>> >> ActiveMQ
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>> >>
>> >> And the repo is here:
>> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>> >>
>> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
>> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
>> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
>> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
>> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
>> additional
>> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>> >>
>> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
>> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between
>> an MFI
>> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
>> >> provider/aggregator)
>> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out
>> the
>> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
>> >> testing disbursals and repayments
>> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
>> developed -
>> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Ed Cable*
>> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
>> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
>> > <(484)%20477-8649>
>> >
>> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
>> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <(484)%20477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
>
--
*Ed Cable*
President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
*Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
<http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>.
Thank you for the suggestion Myrle. Provided Steve is fine with it we can
attempt to gather some feedback asynchronously; however we didn't get any
responses from his questions from a month back but I will put more
structure around those questions and try to get those that would have
otherwise been participating on the call to discuss this across the list.
If that doesn't yield much participation we will carry out a meeting and
will as always share notes and a recording of said meeting.
Ed
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey Ed,
>
> Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
> meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
> start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
> sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
>
> This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
> no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
> internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
> start.
>
> This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post on it.
> http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-
> communication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-source.html
>
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> > Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
> wanted
> > to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
> > identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check in
> on
> > the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
> > Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope
> out
> > another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the
> needed
> > clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
> > this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
> > have the GSOC student work on the beta.
> >
> > Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
> >
> > We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
> > https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone -
> >>
> >> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
> understand
> >> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what
> things
> >> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where
> the
> >> gateway is at.
> >>
> >> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has
> been
> >> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some
> basic
> >> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
> (disbursements)
> >> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
> >> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed
> much
> >> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
> >> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
> >>
> >> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
> >> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
> >> ActiveMQ
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
> >>
> >> And the repo is here:
> >> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
> >>
> >> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
> >> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
> >> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
> >> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
> >> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
> >> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are
> additional
> >> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
> >>
> >> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
> >> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
> >> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between an
> MFI
> >> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
> >> provider/aggregator)
> >> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out
> the
> >> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
> >> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
> >> testing disbursals and repayments
> >> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet
> developed -
> >> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Steve
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Ed Cable*
> > President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> > edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> > <(484)%20477-8649>
> >
> > *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> > <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
--
*Ed Cable*
President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
*Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
<http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>.
Hey Ed,
Would it be possible to discuss this on the list rather than making a
meeting? You have specific questions you want to approach, you can
start by creating a ticket or tickets with Steve's suggested
sub-tasks, and then ask for feedback on the mailing list.
This way people can participate no matter where they are in the world,
no matter what their working schedule is, and no matter how good their
internet connections are. And you don't have to wait till Friday to
start.
This is called asynchronous communication. Here's a good blog post on it.
http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/7-reasons-asynchronous-communication-is-better-than-synchronous-communication-in-open-source.html
Best Regards,
Myrle
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I wanted
> to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
> identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check in on
> the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
> Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope out
> another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the needed
> clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
> this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
> have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>
> Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>
> We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
> https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone -
>>
>> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to understand
>> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what things
>> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where the
>> gateway is at.
>>
>> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has been
>> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some basic
>> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound (disbursements)
>> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
>> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed much
>> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
>> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>
>> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
>> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
>> ActiveMQ
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>>
>> And the repo is here:
>> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>
>> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
>> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
>> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
>> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
>> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are additional
>> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>
>> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
>> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between an MFI
>> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
>> provider/aggregator)
>> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out the
>> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
>> testing disbursals and repayments
>> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet developed -
>> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <(484)%20477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Vladimir Fomene <vl...@gmail.com>.
Hello Ed,
Hope this email finds you well. Anytime today will work for me.
Best,
Vladimir Fomene
On 7 March 2018 at 22:49, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
> wanted to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
> identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check in on
> the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
> Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope out
> another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the needed
> clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
> this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
> have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>
> Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>
> We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
> https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone -
>>
>> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>> understand
>> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what things
>> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where the
>> gateway is at.
>>
>> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has been
>> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some basic
>> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>> (disbursements)
>> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
>> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed
>> much
>> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
>> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>
>> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
>> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
>> ActiveMQ
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>>
>> And the repo is here:
>> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>
>> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
>> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
>> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
>> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
>> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are additional
>> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>
>> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
>> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between an
>> MFI
>> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
>> provider/aggregator)
>> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out the
>> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
>> testing disbursals and repayments
>> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet developed
>> -
>> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <(484)%20477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
>
Re: Mifos Payment Gateway
Posted by Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Ed. I can meet at 14:15 or 14:30 GMT on Friday.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:50 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
> Thank you Steve for your thorough review. Apologies for the delay. I
> wanted to get the payment gateway group together for another call so we can
> identify the best path forward in the four areas you specified, check in on
> the progress Antony has made with his code and how we can incorporate
> Vladimir's data model. I also want to discuss if we should try to scope out
> another project for GSOC centered around this - I think we have the needed
> clarity now but wanted to ship somethign to the community prior to after
> this summer. Perhaps we could aim for an alpha version prior to GSOC and
> have the GSOC student work on the beta.
>
> Would this Friday at 1400GMT work for everyone?
>
> We can use Hangouts Meet for the call. Folks can join through:
> https://meet.google.com/ajy-twnd-irs
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Steve Conrad <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone -
>>
>> I have been spending some time over the past few weeks trying to
>> understand
>> the current status of the Mifos Payment Gateway and determine what things
>> still need to be done. I wanted to summarize my understanding of where the
>> gateway is at.
>>
>> I spoke with Avik to talk through the requirements and what work has been
>> done so far. Vladimir Fomene worked to develop a data model and some basic
>> functionality around inbound (loan repayments) and outbound
>> (disbursements)
>> transactions. At the same time, Antony Omeri was developing a parallel
>> model and platform.Over the past couple of months Antony has developed
>> much
>> of the core functionality and integrated it into the Fineract platform,
>> including using ActiveMQ for messaging.
>>
>> You can see a demo here of Antony's work. More functionality has been
>> implemented since this was recorded, including porting from RabbitMQ to
>> ActiveMQ
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=824&v=xqWIveT57vo
>>
>> And the repo is here:
>> https://github.com/OmexIT/fineract
>>
>> It seems to me that the best course forward is to continue to build on
>> Antony's platform. However, there are elements of Vladimir's data model
>> that I think we should consider integrating into Antony's platform -
>> particularly the ability to configure connections between MFIs and
>> MMPs/aggregators. We also need to think through functionality for error
>> handling and rolling back transactions. Beyond that, there are additional
>> use cases around batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>
>> If there are developers who are interested in working on bringing this
>> project to completion, I see at least 4 areas that need work:
>> 1) Expanding the schema to allow configuration parameters between an
>> MFI
>> and MMP (the API credentials, etc for a particular MFI connection to a
>> provider/aggregator)
>> 2) Implementing a couple of specific payment providers to prove out the
>> functionality - possibly Beyonic and something like RazorPay
>> 3) Implementing some kind of UI that we can use as a test platform -
>> testing disbursals and repayments
>> 4) Implementing use cases that have been defined but not yet developed
>> -
>> batch disbursals, reconciliation, etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Cable*
> President/CEO, Mifos Initiative
> edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649
> <(484)%20477-8649>
>
> *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org
> <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
>
>