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Posted to marketing@cloudstack.apache.org by hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com> on 2014/05/28 14:03:30 UTC
OpenStack OR CloudStack
Hi,
I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and improvement. I
also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and Vcloud. And
also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really these words
mean?
Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real differences
between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
>From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between these tow
types of cloud approaches?
Re: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@apache.org>.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 09:15:13AM -0400, Aaron Delp wrote:
> Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
> OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of applications in
> different availability zones.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guw2n8XceLg
+1 to what Aaron said, with the further reiteration that you shouldn't
consider CloudStack to be "like vCloud". Instead, think of it as a
software system that can handle the spectrum of application / cloud
styles that fall between "legacy virtualization" through to "cloud
native" style workloads.
It all depends on how the cloud's operator has chosen to design the
infrastructure environment(s) and how they have configured CloudStack to
offer services (ex: VM high availability or no VM high availability).
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:03 AM, hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and improvement. I
> > also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and Vcloud. And
> > also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really these words
> > mean?
> > Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real differences
> > between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
> > From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between these tow
> > types of cloud approaches?
> >
Re: Fwd: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Posted by ilya musayev <il...@gmail.com>.
Hossein,
So i was exactly in the same boat as you are. I had bunch of people in
my previous company scream - why are we going CloudStack if OpenStack is
a "standard". No one of those folks actually understood the difference
between the two. If i'd have installed cloudstack and change the logo to
openstack - they would not have known the difference.
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/10158
We also had a bake off earlier, OpenStack VS CloudStack. We had 2
systems guys eager to implement the private cloud, one linux python
expert and another windows system admin who barely had any linux
experience.
Two weeks later, the python guy failed to deliver a POC cloud on
OpenStack, while windows engineer delivered CloudStack in 1 day. I took
over the infrastructure from then on.
You have to decide whats right for you. Do you have a budget and team of
developers to maintain your cloud infrastructure on openstack? Are you
in business of running and maintaining infrastructure? There is a reason
why Verizon Terramark, Nokia, AutoDesk, Disney, BT, Tata Communications,
Korea Telecom and 200+ known companies in addition to 300+ companies who
dont disclose their usage of CloudStack.
The truth on the winning platform remains to be seen. There is an open
cloud standard - where everything must be decoupled and fault tolerant -
an AWS concept, as to what underlying cloud stack you use - will become
irrelevant in near future.
Try both platforms and see what happens.
Regards
ilya
On 5/28/14, 1:38 PM, hossein zabolzadeh wrote:
> Thanks Arjan.
> Without any doubt, the best solution is to use DC virtualization
> technology(CloudStack) in contrast to infrastructure provisioning
> cloud solutions(e.g. AWS, OpenStack, ...) to solve this problem.
> CloudStack is the best openSource solution in the DC virtualization
> era. My choice at the end will be cloudstack(Probably). But what makes
> me very disturbe is deviation from the cloud de-facto standard, what
> OpenStack is looking for. As the OpenStack project shows, it will be
> more standard than be a product.
> I don't belive that one cloud solution(OpenStack) will dominates the
> whole in the future, but the standard compliancy is one of my concern
> that makes the decision more harder than before to select CloudStack.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hossein.
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Arjan Eriks <eriarjan@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Hossein,
>
> I can only give you a generic answer for your problem. We are
> CloudStack and AWS users. Our company is a system integrator /
> outsourcing company / managed service provider.
>
> We run into your issue all the time.
>
> For applications that need HA and resiliency we have (often)
> chosen to fix the issue in the Cloud Infrastructure. Like you
> stated you do not want touch the code base. Of course you cannot
> fix infra on AWS. You can do some of that in CloudStack (or
> OpenStack).
>
> Having that said AWS and CloudStack without alterations could be
> an option in some uses cases. You have to design properly for your
> issues.
>
> If you want to know exactly what you are up against you have to
> investigate a little more. You can do so, by making a PoC on both
> CloudStack environments and AWS. Or you can ask a company that is
> helping you from a consultancy point of view. Which one i best
> depends on the level of engineers you have in your company.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Arjan
>
>> hossein zabolzadeh <ma...@gmail.com>
>> 28 May 2014 18:29
>> Thanks for your video. I saw, and it was useful.
>> But I have another question: What happens when an old application
>> ran into
>> the AWS like cloud infrastructure?
>> In my opinion the application bother both from HA and resiliancy.
>> What's your idea behind that?
>> Let's talk about my problem. My main problem is that, I want to
>> convert my
>> company's datacenter into a cloud infrastructure. But there are
>> atleast 10
>> legacy application which hold my business. So, if I go to the AWS
>> like
>> CMPs, I don't know what will be happening when run all of these
>> 10 legacy
>> applications?
>> (I don't want to make any change to my application codebases)
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron Delp <ma...@solidfire.com>
>> 28 May 2014 15:15
>> Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
>> OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of
>> applications in
>> different availability zones.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guw2n8XceLg
>>
>> *Aaron Delp*
>> *Cloud Solutions Architect, SolidFire Inc.*
>> e: aaron.delp@solidfire.com <ma...@solidfire.com>
>> c: 919-561-7904
>> t: @aarondelp
>> Advancing the way the world uses the
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>> *™*
>>
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>> <http://www.solidfire.com/technology/how-to-buy/>
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>> hossein zabolzadeh <ma...@gmail.com>
>> 28 May 2014 14:03
>> Hi,
>> I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and
>> improvement. I
>> also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and
>> Vcloud. And
>> also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really
>> these words
>> mean?
>> Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real
>> differences
>> between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
>> From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between
>> these tow
>> types of cloud approaches?
>>
>
>
Fwd: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Posted by hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Arjan.
Without any doubt, the best solution is to use DC virtualization
technology(CloudStack) in contrast to infrastructure provisioning cloud
solutions(e.g. AWS, OpenStack, ...) to solve this problem. CloudStack is
the best openSource solution in the DC virtualization era. My choice at the
end will be cloudstack(Probably). But what makes me very disturbe is
deviation from the cloud de-facto standard, what OpenStack is looking for.
As the OpenStack project shows, it will be more standard than be a product.
I don't belive that one cloud solution(OpenStack) will dominates the whole
in the future, but the standard compliancy is one of my concern that makes
the decision more harder than before to select CloudStack.
Best Regards,
Hossein.
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Arjan Eriks <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hossein,
>
> I can only give you a generic answer for your problem. We are CloudStack
> and AWS users. Our company is a system integrator / outsourcing company /
> managed service provider.
>
> We run into your issue all the time.
>
> For applications that need HA and resiliency we have (often) chosen to fix
> the issue in the Cloud Infrastructure. Like you stated you do not want
> touch the code base. Of course you cannot fix infra on AWS. You can do some
> of that in CloudStack (or OpenStack).
>
> Having that said AWS and CloudStack without alterations could be an option
> in some uses cases. You have to design properly for your issues.
>
> If you want to know exactly what you are up against you have to
> investigate a little more. You can do so, by making a PoC on both
> CloudStack environments and AWS. Or you can ask a company that is helping
> you from a consultancy point of view. Which one i best depends on the level
> of engineers you have in your company.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Arjan
>
> hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com>
> 28 May 2014 18:29
> Thanks for your video. I saw, and it was useful.
> But I have another question: What happens when an old application ran into
> the AWS like cloud infrastructure?
> In my opinion the application bother both from HA and resiliancy.
> What's your idea behind that?
> Let's talk about my problem. My main problem is that, I want to convert my
> company's datacenter into a cloud infrastructure. But there are atleast 10
> legacy application which hold my business. So, if I go to the AWS like
> CMPs, I don't know what will be happening when run all of these 10 legacy
> applications?
> (I don't want to make any change to my application codebases)
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Aaron Delp <aa...@solidfire.com>
> 28 May 2014 15:15
> Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
> OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of applications in
> different availability zones.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guw2n8XceLg
>
> *Aaron Delp*
> *Cloud Solutions Architect, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: aaron.delp@solidfire.com
> c: 919-561-7904
> t: @aarondelp
> Advancing the way the world uses the
> cloud
> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsolidfire.com%2Fsolution%2Foverview%2F%3Fvideo%3Dplay&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcS5tpDyPnK-nCiLwyQHAE-6jPAfQ><http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsolidfire.com%2Fsolution%2Foverview%2F%3Fvideo%3Dplay&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcS5tpDyPnK-nCiLwyQHAE-6jPAfQ>
> *™*
>
> <http://www.solidfire.com/technology/how-to-buy/><http://www.solidfire.com/technology/how-to-buy/>
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> hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com>
> 28 May 2014 14:03
> Hi,
> I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and improvement. I
> also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and Vcloud. And
> also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really these words
> mean?
> Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real differences
> between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
> From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between these tow
> types of cloud approaches?
>
>
Re: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Posted by Arjan Eriks <er...@gmail.com>.
Hi Hossein,
I can only give you a generic answer for your problem. We are CloudStack
and AWS users. Our company is a system integrator / outsourcing company
/ managed service provider.
We run into your issue all the time.
For applications that need HA and resiliency we have (often) chosen to
fix the issue in the Cloud Infrastructure. Like you stated you do not
want touch the code base. Of course you cannot fix infra on AWS. You can
do some of that in CloudStack (or OpenStack).
Having that said AWS and CloudStack without alterations could be an
option in some uses cases. You have to design properly for your issues.
If you want to know exactly what you are up against you have to
investigate a little more. You can do so, by making a PoC on both
CloudStack environments and AWS. Or you can ask a company that is
helping you from a consultancy point of view. Which one i best depends
on the level of engineers you have in your company.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Arjan
> hossein zabolzadeh <ma...@gmail.com>
> 28 May 2014 18:29
> Thanks for your video. I saw, and it was useful.
> But I have another question: What happens when an old application ran into
> the AWS like cloud infrastructure?
> In my opinion the application bother both from HA and resiliancy.
> What's your idea behind that?
> Let's talk about my problem. My main problem is that, I want to convert my
> company's datacenter into a cloud infrastructure. But there are atleast 10
> legacy application which hold my business. So, if I go to the AWS like
> CMPs, I don't know what will be happening when run all of these 10 legacy
> applications?
> (I don't want to make any change to my application codebases)
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Aaron Delp <ma...@solidfire.com>
> 28 May 2014 15:15
> Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
> OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of applications in
> different availability zones.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guw2n8XceLg
>
> *Aaron Delp*
> *Cloud Solutions Architect, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: aaron.delp@solidfire.com
> c: 919-561-7904
> t: @aarondelp
> Advancing the way the world uses the
> cloud<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsolidfire.com%2Fsolution%2Foverview%2F%3Fvideo%3Dplay&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcS5tpDyPnK-nCiLwyQHAE-6jPAfQ>
> *™*
>
> <http://www.solidfire.com/technology/how-to-buy/>
> This e-mail transmission and any documents, files or previous e-mail
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>
> hossein zabolzadeh <ma...@gmail.com>
> 28 May 2014 14:03
> Hi,
> I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and improvement. I
> also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and Vcloud. And
> also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really these words
> mean?
> Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real differences
> between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
> From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between
> these tow
> types of cloud approaches?
>
Re: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Posted by hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for your video. I saw, and it was useful.
But I have another question: What happens when an old application ran into
the AWS like cloud infrastructure?
In my opinion the application bother both from HA and resiliancy.
What's your idea behind that?
Let's talk about my problem. My main problem is that, I want to convert my
company's datacenter into a cloud infrastructure. But there are atleast 10
legacy application which hold my business. So, if I go to the AWS like
CMPs, I don't know what will be happening when run all of these 10 legacy
applications?
(I don't want to make any change to my application codebases)
Thanks in advance.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Aaron Delp <aa...@solidfire.com>wrote:
> Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
> OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of applications in
> different availability zones.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guw2n8XceLg
>
> *Aaron Delp*
> *Cloud Solutions Architect, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: aaron.delp@solidfire.com
> c: 919-561-7904
> t: @aarondelp
> Advancing the way the world uses the
> cloud<
> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsolidfire.com%2Fsolution%2Foverview%2F%3Fvideo%3Dplay&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcS5tpDyPnK-nCiLwyQHAE-6jPAfQ
> >
> *™*
>
> <http://www.solidfire.com/technology/how-to-buy/>
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> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:03 AM, hossein zabolzadeh <zabolzadeh@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and improvement.
> I
> > also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and Vcloud. And
> > also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really these words
> > mean?
> > Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real differences
> > between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
> > From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between these
> tow
> > types of cloud approaches?
> >
>
Re: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Posted by Aaron Delp <aa...@solidfire.com>.
Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of applications in
different availability zones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guw2n8XceLg
*Aaron Delp*
*Cloud Solutions Architect, SolidFire Inc.*
e: aaron.delp@solidfire.com
c: 919-561-7904
t: @aarondelp
Advancing the way the world uses the
cloud<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsolidfire.com%2Fsolution%2Foverview%2F%3Fvideo%3Dplay&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcS5tpDyPnK-nCiLwyQHAE-6jPAfQ>
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On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:03 AM, hossein zabolzadeh <za...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
> I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and improvement. I
> also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and Vcloud. And
> also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really these words
> mean?
> Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real differences
> between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
> From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between these tow
> types of cloud approaches?
>