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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> on 2014/04/12 00:06:56 UTC
Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
A few points.
- Community knows and does upgrade. Good.
- Really like the idea of giving some performance advice but feel we need
to be very careful about this. It has always been important we remain
agnostic to web frameworks.
- The docs need a cleanup overall.
- Comments on installers should be addressed by app harness apps.
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah!
>
> Thanks Ray for putting this together!
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
>
> >
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> >
> > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> >
>
RE: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>.
The raw data is linked to in the blog post. It is XLSX but if you need it some other way, let me know.
________________________________________
From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:39 AM
To: dev
Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Also, you referenced complaints about File plugin. Discussed with Ian this
morning that it may be great feedback to give him so he can address it.
Can we get the raw results was it meant to be private?
-Michal
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew on
> this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to comment on
> and will then publish it.
>
RE: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com>.
That would be interesting information to maintain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anis KADRI [mailto:anis.kadri@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 8:29 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Michal Mocny
Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
We do have usage stats on the cli vs bin/create plugman workflow. Last time
I checked it was 93% CLI and 7% plugman. The stats are no longer available
since we deployed the new site but we can add them back if needed.
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> A word of caution. Surveys are a tool, and data is good, but lets not make
> it hte only driver for our feature/bug prioritization.
>
> Henry Ford — 'If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have
> said faster
> horses.'
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > David pointed out the link to the raw results file is in your original
> > post!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Also, you referenced complaints about File plugin. Discussed with Ian
> > > this morning that it may be great feedback to give him so he can
> address
> > > it. Can we get the raw results was it meant to be private?
> > >
> > > -Michal
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew
> > on
> > >> this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to
> comment
> > on
> > >> and will then publish it.
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________________
> > >> From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal
> Mocny <
> > >> mmocny@chromium.org>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:04 PM
> > >> To: dev
> > >> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> > >>
> > >> Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli
> vs
> > >> bin/create workflow?
> > >>
> > >> And as subpoints:
> > >> - for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even
> > for
> > >> 1 platform)
> > >> - for bin/create, do they use plugman?
> > >>
> > >> -Michal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
> > >> > ________________________________________
> > >> > From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> > >> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> > >> >
> > >> > Yeah!
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks Ray for putting this together!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
We do have usage stats on the cli vs bin/create plugman workflow. Last time
I checked it was 93% CLI and 7% plugman. The stats are no longer available
since we deployed the new site but we can add them back if needed.
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> A word of caution. Surveys are a tool, and data is good, but lets not make
> it hte only driver for our feature/bug prioritization.
>
> Henry Ford — 'If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have
> said faster
> horses.'
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > David pointed out the link to the raw results file is in your original
> > post!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Also, you referenced complaints about File plugin. Discussed with Ian
> > > this morning that it may be great feedback to give him so he can
> address
> > > it. Can we get the raw results was it meant to be private?
> > >
> > > -Michal
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew
> > on
> > >> this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to
> comment
> > on
> > >> and will then publish it.
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________________
> > >> From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal
> Mocny <
> > >> mmocny@chromium.org>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:04 PM
> > >> To: dev
> > >> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> > >>
> > >> Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli
> vs
> > >> bin/create workflow?
> > >>
> > >> And as subpoints:
> > >> - for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even
> > for
> > >> 1 platform)
> > >> - for bin/create, do they use plugman?
> > >>
> > >> -Michal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
> > >> > ________________________________________
> > >> > From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> > >> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> > >> >
> > >> > Yeah!
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks Ray for putting this together!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
A word of caution. Surveys are a tool, and data is good, but lets not make
it hte only driver for our feature/bug prioritization.
Henry Ford — 'If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have
said faster
horses.'
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
> David pointed out the link to the raw results file is in your original
> post!
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Also, you referenced complaints about File plugin. Discussed with Ian
> > this morning that it may be great feedback to give him so he can address
> > it. Can we get the raw results was it meant to be private?
> >
> > -Michal
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew
> on
> >> this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to comment
> on
> >> and will then publish it.
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal Mocny <
> >> mmocny@chromium.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:04 PM
> >> To: dev
> >> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> >>
> >> Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli vs
> >> bin/create workflow?
> >>
> >> And as subpoints:
> >> - for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even
> for
> >> 1 platform)
> >> - for bin/create, do they use plugman?
> >>
> >> -Michal
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
> >> > ________________________________________
> >> > From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> >> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
> >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> >> >
> >> > Yeah!
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Ray for putting this together!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> >> > >
> >> > > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>.
David pointed out the link to the raw results file is in your original post!
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
> Also, you referenced complaints about File plugin. Discussed with Ian
> this morning that it may be great feedback to give him so he can address
> it. Can we get the raw results was it meant to be private?
>
> -Michal
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew on
>> this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to comment on
>> and will then publish it.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal Mocny <
>> mmocny@chromium.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:04 PM
>> To: dev
>> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
>>
>> Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli vs
>> bin/create workflow?
>>
>> And as subpoints:
>> - for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even for
>> 1 platform)
>> - for bin/create, do they use plugman?
>>
>> -Michal
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
>> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
>> >
>> > Yeah!
>> >
>> > Thanks Ray for putting this together!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
>> > >
>> > > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>.
Also, you referenced complaints about File plugin. Discussed with Ian this
morning that it may be great feedback to give him so he can address it.
Can we get the raw results was it meant to be private?
-Michal
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew on
> this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to comment on
> and will then publish it.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal Mocny <
> mmocny@chromium.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:04 PM
> To: dev
> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
>
> Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli vs
> bin/create workflow?
>
> And as subpoints:
> - for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even for
> 1 platform)
> - for bin/create, do they use plugman?
>
> -Michal
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
> >
> > Yeah!
> >
> > Thanks Ray for putting this together!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> > >
> > > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> > >
> >
>
RE: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>.
I wasn't *planning* a survey, but this sounds interesting. Let me chew on this and create an initial doc. I'll share it here for folks to comment on and will then publish it.
________________________________________
From: mmocny@google.com <mm...@google.com> on behalf of Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:04 PM
To: dev
Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli vs
bin/create workflow?
And as subpoints:
- for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even for
1 platform)
- for bin/create, do they use plugman?
-Michal
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
> ________________________________________
> From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
>
> Yeah!
>
> Thanks Ray for putting this together!
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
>
> >
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> >
> > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> >
>
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>.
Ray: for next survey, would you mind polling on usage of cordova-cli vs
bin/create workflow?
And as subpoints:
- for cordova-cli, how many platforms? (curious how many use cli even for
1 platform)
- for bin/create, do they use plugman?
-Michal
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
> ________________________________________
> From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
>
> Yeah!
>
> Thanks Ray for putting this together!
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
>
> >
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
> >
> > A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
> >
>
RE: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>.
No problem - glad it gathered up some useful data.
________________________________________
From: Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:52 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Yeah!
Thanks Ray for putting this together!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
>
> A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
>
Re: Great writeup from Ray Camden on PG/Cordova
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
Yeah!
Thanks Ray for putting this together!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@google.com> wrote:
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2014/4/11/Results-of-PhoneGap-Survey
>
> A few take-aways in there for us, I think.
>