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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org> on 2002/11/15 13:38:06 UTC
[review] 0.2 announcement email
Where is what I propose be sent out to the various mailing lists, once
the release is built.
An important question: which mailing lists should we spam? :)
I propose:
cocoon-docs
cocoon-users
fop-dev
general@xml
Any others? Perhaps, given the degree of cross-posting, we should just
stick to announce@xml.apache.org?
Announcement appended. I'd like to send something out in 3 or 4 hours.
--Jeff
The Forrest team is pleased to announce the release of Apache Forrest 0.2.
Introduction & History
----------------------
Forrest is an XML standards-oriented project documentation framework based on
Apache Cocoon, providing XSLT stylesheets and schemas, images and other
resources. Forrest uses these to render the XML source content into a website
via command-line, robot, or a dynamic web application.
This is Forrest's first public release. Forrest was originally envisioned [1]
as a Sourceforge-like documentation management framework for xml.apache.org
projects. Eleven months later, Forrest is a much more focused, generic system.
- All xml.apache.org assumptions have been eliminated: Forrest can be used in
any project.
- Forrest's cross-project goals have been put on hold while effort is put into
making Forrest a good single-project tool.
Forrest is thus most comparable with the Anakia + xml-site2 combination [2,3]
used to render many jakarta.apache.org sites.
Status
------
Forrest is currently experiencing rapid growth, and this release is made in the
spirit of "release early and often". To quote from the release notes:
This 0.2 release is believed to be stable, and is in use by many projects
(including xml.apache.org). However, forrest-dev explicitly DOES NOT intend
to maintain the degree of accountability and backwards-compatibility intended
for future 0.x releases. This 0.2 release is made primarily to meet user
demand, to solicit feedback, and to give the Forrest community a trial run
in the process of Forrest releases.
Downloads
---------
Forrest 0.2 can be downloaded in binary or source form from:
http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/forrest/0.2/
Please also take time to read the release notes:
http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/forrest/0.2/RELEASE-NOTES-0.2.txt
which contains important information about known bugs. Of note, bugs in the
batch scripts which affects some Windows users; we would greatly appreciate
feedback and fixes in this regard.
Feedback
--------
Please send all feedback to the forrest-dev@xml.apache.org mailing list [4].
Thanks for your attention,
The Apache Forrest team
--
[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-apache-general&m=100857962129228&w=2
[2] http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/anakia.html
[3] http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html
[4] http://xml.apache.org/mail.html
Re: [review] 0.2 announcement email
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:46:30PM +0100, Steven Noels wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
>
> >Where is what I propose be sent out to the various mailing lists, once
> >the release is built.
>
> looks good - minor nit: I would leave out reference to anakia/site2
Will do.
> >An important question: which mailing lists should we spam? :)
> >
> >I propose:
> >
> >cocoon-docs
> >cocoon-users
> >fop-dev
> >general@xml
> >
> >Any others? Perhaps, given the degree of cross-posting, we should just
> >stick to announce@xml.apache.org?
>
> +1, and just put cocoon-dev on cc for kudo-reasons
Cool, makes life easier.
> >Announcement appended. I'd like to send something out in 3 or 4
> >hours.
>
> Fire at will.
>
> And kudos to you, too :-)
thanks:)
--Jeff
Re: [review] 0.2 announcement email
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
David Crossley wrote:
<snip/>
> Also, is the description of Forrest okay at
> http://xml.apache.org/
> It is a different description to what we have
> on our home page. Still good, but different.
Woops, i see that someone has already updated in it CVS.
--David
RE: css layout - mac IE
Posted by Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com>.
Hey again,
I just remembered about <br clear="all">. Everything seems to work (I just
grabbed the html source & css) if you just simply stick the <br clear=all> under
the form containing the banner.
best,
-Rob
>> >
> > On the Mac IE 5 front, the oreillynet.com article -- specifically the
> > fake comment endings -- has been my game plan. For some strange reason,
> > it's quite difficult to debug Mac rendering issues when you don't own a
> > Mac ;-). Unfortunately I haven't had access to my friends' Macs long
> > enough to fix the problems yet. :(
> >
> > - Miles
> >
> >
>
>
RE: css layout - mac IE
Posted by Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com>.
Hi Miles,
I just had a closer look at the layout/css. The problem is in the #search
defintition. If I comment out float:right then the content lays out properly in
mac IE. So if you use the techniques from the oreilly article you should be
fine. Perhaps something like:
.inline {disply:inline}
<div id="mainheader">
<!-- style attr for example only -->
<div id="groupLogoCol" class="inline">
<a id="grouplogolink" href="http://xml.apache.org/"><img
id="grouplogo" src="images/group-logo.gif"
width="220" height="65" alt="Group Logo"/></a>
<span class="textonly"> - </span>
</div>
<div id="projectLogoCol" class="inline">
<a id="projectlogolink" href="http://xml.apache.org/"><img
id="projectlogo" src="images/project-logo.gif"
width="220" height="65" alt="Project Logo"/></a>
<span class="textonly"> - </span>
</div>
<div id="searchCol" class="inline">
<div id="search">
<div class="input"><input class="query" name="as_q" type="text"/> <input
type="submit" value="Search"/></div>
<input type="hidden" name="as_sitesearch" value="xml.apache.org"/>
<div class="label">the Apache XML site</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
if you need to check your tweaks, I will be here working most of the day.
Sorry about the em red-herring...
best,
-Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miles Elam [mailto:miles@geekspeak.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 7:01 PM
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: css layout - mac IE
>
>
> Robert Koberg wrote:
>
> >The fix is to not use 'em' for sizes in CSS. Use '%' and multiply the 'em'
> >values by 100.
> >
> The font values were already specified in percentages. The ems were for
> nav widths, content margins, etc. Percentage widths don't really apply
> in this case unfortunately. What may end up happening is a Mac version
> that isn't quite so resilient to font sizing or with some noticeable
> layout differences.
>
> >Also, on usability, the left column nav is an accepted layout. But it is
> >accepted because it has become common. A right column nav is better
> for western
> >readers because the left column starts the content - easier on the eyes to
> >read - better usability.
> >
> How's this?
> http://forrest.iguanacharlie.com/
>
> In Mozilla or newer iterations of Netscape, select "View"->"Use
> Style"->"Nav on Right"
>
> For all other browsers, go to:
> http://forrest.iguanacharlie.com/rightnav.html
>
> They are the same XHTML. Just different CSS. I honestly have no
> opinion on the topic, but here are the candidates.
>
> --------------
>
> On the Mac IE 5 front, the oreillynet.com article -- specifically the
> fake comment endings -- has been my game plan. For some strange reason,
> it's quite difficult to debug Mac rendering issues when you don't own a
> Mac ;-). Unfortunately I haven't had access to my friends' Macs long
> enough to fix the problems yet. :(
>
> - Miles
>
>
Re: css layout - mac IE
Posted by Miles Elam <mi...@geekspeak.org>.
Robert Koberg wrote:
>The fix is to not use 'em' for sizes in CSS. Use '%' and multiply the 'em'
>values by 100.
>
The font values were already specified in percentages. The ems were for
nav widths, content margins, etc. Percentage widths don't really apply
in this case unfortunately. What may end up happening is a Mac version
that isn't quite so resilient to font sizing or with some noticeable
layout differences.
>Also, on usability, the left column nav is an accepted layout. But it is
>accepted because it has become common. A right column nav is better for western
>readers because the left column starts the content - easier on the eyes to
>read - better usability.
>
How's this?
http://forrest.iguanacharlie.com/
In Mozilla or newer iterations of Netscape, select "View"->"Use
Style"->"Nav on Right"
For all other browsers, go to:
http://forrest.iguanacharlie.com/rightnav.html
They are the same XHTML. Just different CSS. I honestly have no
opinion on the topic, but here are the candidates.
--------------
On the Mac IE 5 front, the oreillynet.com article -- specifically the
fake comment endings -- has been my game plan. For some strange reason,
it's quite difficult to debug Mac rendering issues when you don't own a
Mac ;-). Unfortunately I haven't had access to my friends' Macs long
enough to fix the problems yet. :(
- Miles
RE: css layout - mac IE
Posted by Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com>.
Hi again,
Loading the images without sizes a pixel shift when then are download. Perhaps
go with common entities? Or add sizes to avoid the shift.
best,
-Rob
css layout - mac IE
Posted by Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com>.
Hi,
I was a bit short the other day with my reply on fixing the CSS layout at
forrest.iguanacharlie.com.
The fix is to not use 'em' for sizes in CSS. Use '%' and multiply the 'em'
values by 100.
Also, on usability, the left column nav is an accepted layout. But it is
accepted because it has become common. A right column nav is better for western
readers because the left column starts the content - easier on the eyes to
read - better usability.
thank you for your time :)
-Rob
p.s. amazing job! on getting all this together, Jeff.
Re: [review] 0.2 announcement email
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
<snip/>
>
> > Any others? Perhaps, given the degree of cross-posting, we should just
> > stick to announce@xml.apache.org?
>
> +1, and just put cocoon-dev on cc for kudo-reasons
>
> > Announcement appended. I'd like to send something out in 3 or 4 hours.
Jeff, do you exist with no sleep? You are our champion.
Thanks.
+1 for announce@xml and cocoon-dev@xml
We need to also add to http://xml.apache.org/news.html
I am doing that now (unless we do not want that for some
reason). However, i am not re-building xml-site yet.
Need to wait until the release happens.
Also, is the description of Forrest okay at
http://xml.apache.org/
It is a different description to what we have
on our home page. Still good, but different.
--David
Re: [review] 0.2 announcement email
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
>
>> Where is what I propose be sent out to the various mailing lists, once
>> the release is built.
>
>
> looks good - minor nit: I would leave out reference to anakia/site2
+1 to leave that out
>> An important question: which mailing lists should we spam? :)
>>
>> I propose:
>>
>> cocoon-docs
>> cocoon-users
>> fop-dev
>> general@xml
>>
>> Any others? Perhaps, given the degree of cross-posting, we should just
>> stick to announce@xml.apache.org?
>
>
> +1, and just put cocoon-dev on cc for kudo-reasons
+1 to that
>> Announcement appended. I'd like to send something out in 3 or 4 hours.
>
>
> Fire at will.
>
> And kudos to you, too :-)
Yeah! :-)
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [review] 0.2 announcement email
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> Where is what I propose be sent out to the various mailing lists, once
> the release is built.
looks good - minor nit: I would leave out reference to anakia/site2
> An important question: which mailing lists should we spam? :)
>
> I propose:
>
> cocoon-docs
> cocoon-users
> fop-dev
> general@xml
>
> Any others? Perhaps, given the degree of cross-posting, we should just
> stick to announce@xml.apache.org?
+1, and just put cocoon-dev on cc for kudo-reasons
> Announcement appended. I'd like to send something out in 3 or 4 hours.
Fire at will.
And kudos to you, too :-)
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org