Maturity Model assessment

["John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>]

All,

I put together a file with the template of the Apache Maturity Model,
visible here -
https://github.com/apache/incubator-tamaya/blob/master/maturity-model.md

I would ask everyone to take a look at it, and maybe start discussing on
the list areas where you may feel Tamaya can't answer positively.

John

Re: Maturity Model assessment

[Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>]

Ok, thanks.

Guess IN20 could to some extent explain a bit of a conflict between
projects like TomEE and commercial companies like Tomitribe built around it
at Apache?

Nobody who is involved in Tamaya simply represents the interests of their
employer or client though, I think we're pretty good on that;-)

Werner


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Its a typo.  The source page has a number of off page references, which
> make copying and pasting a pain.  I thought I grabbed them all.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:48 AM Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CS20 is a very good point, and among the reasons why those who had
> problems
> > with such consensus ultimately left.
> >
> > What does
> > >Decisions are made by consensus among PMC members 9 and are documented
> on
> > the project's main communications channel. Community opinions are taken
> > into account but the PMC has the final word if needed.
> > mean? What's the "9" supposed to say, is it a typo or does it reference
> > another item?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Werner
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > John/all,
> > >
> > > Thanks for that. Will have a look probably before today's Hangout if I
> > can.
> > >
> > > Something I saw on Twitter thanks to Oracle's OpenJDK contributor
> Dalibor
> > > Topic (among the few who don't ignore or block us JCP guys;-) is quite
> > > interesting and sounds not so different from what e.g. Tamaya is facing
> > > with some former contributors and their different views:
> > > https://mailman.cs.umd.edu/pipermail/findbugs-discuss/
> > > 2016-November/004321.html
> > >
> > > FindBugs is or was quite a significant code quality tool and I guess it
> > > can be called "mature" also by Apache standards.
> > > However it seems in serious trouble or suffering at least a very low
> > level
> > > of activity by its initial/key committer and a few others left by now
> > > having created forks like "HuntBugs".
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Werner
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:14 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> All,
> > >>
> > >> I put together a file with the template of the Apache Maturity Model,
> > >> visible here -
> > >>
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-tamaya/blob/master/maturity-model.md
> > >>
> > >> I would ask everyone to take a look at it, and maybe start discussing
> on
> > >> the list areas where you may feel Tamaya can't answer positively.
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Maturity Model assessment

["John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>]

Its a typo.  The source page has a number of off page references, which
make copying and pasting a pain.  I thought I grabbed them all.

John

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:48 AM Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:

> CS20 is a very good point, and among the reasons why those who had problems
> with such consensus ultimately left.
>
> What does
> >Decisions are made by consensus among PMC members 9 and are documented on
> the project's main communications channel. Community opinions are taken
> into account but the PMC has the final word if needed.
> mean? What's the "9" supposed to say, is it a typo or does it reference
> another item?
>
> Thanks,
> Werner
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > John/all,
> >
> > Thanks for that. Will have a look probably before today's Hangout if I
> can.
> >
> > Something I saw on Twitter thanks to Oracle's OpenJDK contributor Dalibor
> > Topic (among the few who don't ignore or block us JCP guys;-) is quite
> > interesting and sounds not so different from what e.g. Tamaya is facing
> > with some former contributors and their different views:
> > https://mailman.cs.umd.edu/pipermail/findbugs-discuss/
> > 2016-November/004321.html
> >
> > FindBugs is or was quite a significant code quality tool and I guess it
> > can be called "mature" also by Apache standards.
> > However it seems in serious trouble or suffering at least a very low
> level
> > of activity by its initial/key committer and a few others left by now
> > having created forks like "HuntBugs".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Werner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:14 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I put together a file with the template of the Apache Maturity Model,
> >> visible here -
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-tamaya/blob/master/maturity-model.md
> >>
> >> I would ask everyone to take a look at it, and maybe start discussing on
> >> the list areas where you may feel Tamaya can't answer positively.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: Maturity Model assessment

[Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>]

CS20 is a very good point, and among the reasons why those who had problems
with such consensus ultimately left.

What does
>Decisions are made by consensus among PMC members 9 and are documented on
the project's main communications channel. Community opinions are taken
into account but the PMC has the final word if needed.
mean? What's the "9" supposed to say, is it a typo or does it reference
another item?

Thanks,
Werner


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John/all,
>
> Thanks for that. Will have a look probably before today's Hangout if I can.
>
> Something I saw on Twitter thanks to Oracle's OpenJDK contributor Dalibor
> Topic (among the few who don't ignore or block us JCP guys;-) is quite
> interesting and sounds not so different from what e.g. Tamaya is facing
> with some former contributors and their different views:
> https://mailman.cs.umd.edu/pipermail/findbugs-discuss/
> 2016-November/004321.html
>
> FindBugs is or was quite a significant code quality tool and I guess it
> can be called "mature" also by Apache standards.
> However it seems in serious trouble or suffering at least a very low level
> of activity by its initial/key committer and a few others left by now
> having created forks like "HuntBugs".
>
> Cheers,
> Werner
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:14 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I put together a file with the template of the Apache Maturity Model,
>> visible here -
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-tamaya/blob/master/maturity-model.md
>>
>> I would ask everyone to take a look at it, and maybe start discussing on
>> the list areas where you may feel Tamaya can't answer positively.
>>
>> John
>>
>
>

Re: Maturity Model assessment

[Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>]

John/all,

Thanks for that. Will have a look probably before today's Hangout if I can.

Something I saw on Twitter thanks to Oracle's OpenJDK contributor Dalibor
Topic (among the few who don't ignore or block us JCP guys;-) is quite
interesting and sounds not so different from what e.g. Tamaya is facing
with some former contributors and their different views:
https://mailman.cs.umd.edu/pipermail/findbugs-discuss/2016-November/004321.html

FindBugs is or was quite a significant code quality tool and I guess it can
be called "mature" also by Apache standards.
However it seems in serious trouble or suffering at least a very low level
of activity by its initial/key committer and a few others left by now
having created forks like "HuntBugs".

Cheers,
Werner




On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:14 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> I put together a file with the template of the Apache Maturity Model,
> visible here -
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-tamaya/blob/master/maturity-model.md
>
> I would ask everyone to take a look at it, and maybe start discussing on
> the list areas where you may feel Tamaya can't answer positively.
>
> John
>