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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com> on 2005/03/14 14:55:47 UTC
[VOTE] Two tree controls
I propose a vote to end the tree vs tree2 controversey. Since it
seems that Oliver and I have reached an impasse (to put it mildly), I
move that we have two tree controls: tree and tree2 and let the user
decide which is best for them.
While I think it is unfortunate that we cannot agree on a single new
tree control together this is probably the best course of action for
the sake of the team. So I'd like a vote on this so I can know for
sure how to go forward.
I will start the voting ... +1 for me
ps. I know we don't like voting but I think its important to have
voting for big decisions like this. Oliver and I have both put a lot
of time into the respective tree controls so its only fair that we ask
the group for direction on how to proceed.
Re: [VOTE] Two tree controls
Posted by Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>.
Manfred,
I think you misunderstood the nature of the vote. I was just asking
for a vote on whether we should have two components not which
component is better. You yourself suggested that this might be the
best alternative if you thought we couldn't resolve the differences.
I'm just asking for a vote so I know how to go forward. Its not
personal.
What do you suggest we do then?
sean
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:44:14 +0100, Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sean,
> Although I understand your agitation, I kindly ask you to sit back and
> cool down a little bit. Please do not abuse votings for personal
> reasons. I do not even get it out of your mail what you actually want to
> vote about:
> - vote, which tree is better?
> - vote, if we should have one or two tree components?
> - vote, who is the better developer? (sorry for sarcasm)
>
> As an PPMC member I veto against this voting. IMHO, it is counter
> productive because the most likely end of such a voting would be one of
> you two leaving our community, which is the worst for all of us.
> Although it is not an ideal situation, we can all live with two
> competing tree components for now.
>
> Democracy has it's limits. You said yourself: "Oliver and I have both
> put a lot of time into the respective tree controls". I do not want to
> tolerate a voting that asks the community who's component should be
> kicked out. This voting is a maybe-win situation for you, but it is a
> loose-loose situation for MyFaces, that's sure.
>
> Let fair competition act: What counts? Better documentation? Better
> examples? More features? I don't know. Time will show.
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
> Sean Schofield schrieb:
> > I propose a vote to end the tree vs tree2 controversey. Since it
> > seems that Oliver and I have reached an impasse (to put it mildly), I
> > move that we have two tree controls: tree and tree2 and let the user
> > decide which is best for them.
> >
> > While I think it is unfortunate that we cannot agree on a single new
> > tree control together this is probably the best course of action for
> > the sake of the team. So I'd like a vote on this so I can know for
> > sure how to go forward.
> >
> > I will start the voting ... +1 for me
> >
> > ps. I know we don't like voting but I think its important to have
> > voting for big decisions like this. Oliver and I have both put a lot
> > of time into the respective tree controls so its only fair that we ask
> > the group for direction on how to proceed.
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Two tree controls
Posted by Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>.
No worries about the English. My German is even worse (zero.) ;-)
The current situation (two controls) was not intended to be the final
outcome. I wanted to make sure that we were all in agreement that two
controls was the best solution under the circumstances.
If you don't feel a vote is necessary then I am ok with that. Lets
consider the vote canceled and the matter resolved.
Regards,
sean
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:00:04 +0100, Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sean,
> Sorry if I did wrong you. Reading your mail once more, I am more certain
> that what you actually meant is "vote, if we should have one or two tree
> components?" My English is not perfect and I apologize for that.
> Nevertheless, I do not see any reason for a voting. Having two tree
> components is the situation we already have. So, why vote about it?
>
> Manfred
>
>
> Manfred Geiler schrieb:
> > Sean,
> > Although I understand your agitation, I kindly ask you to sit back and
> > cool down a little bit. Please do not abuse votings for personal
> > reasons. I do not even get it out of your mail what you actually want to
> > vote about:
> > - vote, which tree is better?
> > - vote, if we should have one or two tree components?
> > - vote, who is the better developer? (sorry for sarcasm)
> >
> > As an PPMC member I veto against this voting. IMHO, it is counter
> > productive because the most likely end of such a voting would be one of
> > you two leaving our community, which is the worst for all of us.
> > Although it is not an ideal situation, we can all live with two
> > competing tree components for now.
> >
> > Democracy has it's limits. You said yourself: "Oliver and I have both
> > put a lot of time into the respective tree controls". I do not want to
> > tolerate a voting that asks the community who's component should be
> > kicked out. This voting is a maybe-win situation for you, but it is a
> > loose-loose situation for MyFaces, that's sure.
> >
> > Let fair competition act: What counts? Better documentation? Better
> > examples? More features? I don't know. Time will show.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> >
> > Sean Schofield schrieb:
> >
> >> I propose a vote to end the tree vs tree2 controversey. Since it
> >> seems that Oliver and I have reached an impasse (to put it mildly), I
> >> move that we have two tree controls: tree and tree2 and let the user
> >> decide which is best for them.
> >>
> >> While I think it is unfortunate that we cannot agree on a single new
> >> tree control together this is probably the best course of action for
> >> the sake of the team. So I'd like a vote on this so I can know for
> >> sure how to go forward.
> >>
> >> I will start the voting ... +1 for me
> >>
> >> ps. I know we don't like voting but I think its important to have
> >> voting for big decisions like this. Oliver and I have both put a lot
> >> of time into the respective tree controls so its only fair that we ask
> >> the group for direction on how to proceed.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Two tree controls
Posted by Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org>.
Sean,
Sorry if I did wrong you. Reading your mail once more, I am more certain
that what you actually meant is "vote, if we should have one or two tree
components?" My English is not perfect and I apologize for that.
Nevertheless, I do not see any reason for a voting. Having two tree
components is the situation we already have. So, why vote about it?
Manfred
Manfred Geiler schrieb:
> Sean,
> Although I understand your agitation, I kindly ask you to sit back and
> cool down a little bit. Please do not abuse votings for personal
> reasons. I do not even get it out of your mail what you actually want to
> vote about:
> - vote, which tree is better?
> - vote, if we should have one or two tree components?
> - vote, who is the better developer? (sorry for sarcasm)
>
> As an PPMC member I veto against this voting. IMHO, it is counter
> productive because the most likely end of such a voting would be one of
> you two leaving our community, which is the worst for all of us.
> Although it is not an ideal situation, we can all live with two
> competing tree components for now.
>
> Democracy has it's limits. You said yourself: "Oliver and I have both
> put a lot of time into the respective tree controls". I do not want to
> tolerate a voting that asks the community who's component should be
> kicked out. This voting is a maybe-win situation for you, but it is a
> loose-loose situation for MyFaces, that's sure.
>
> Let fair competition act: What counts? Better documentation? Better
> examples? More features? I don't know. Time will show.
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
>
> Sean Schofield schrieb:
>
>> I propose a vote to end the tree vs tree2 controversey. Since it
>> seems that Oliver and I have reached an impasse (to put it mildly), I
>> move that we have two tree controls: tree and tree2 and let the user
>> decide which is best for them.
>>
>> While I think it is unfortunate that we cannot agree on a single new
>> tree control together this is probably the best course of action for
>> the sake of the team. So I'd like a vote on this so I can know for
>> sure how to go forward.
>>
>> I will start the voting ... +1 for me
>>
>> ps. I know we don't like voting but I think its important to have
>> voting for big decisions like this. Oliver and I have both put a lot
>> of time into the respective tree controls so its only fair that we ask
>> the group for direction on how to proceed.
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Two tree controls
Posted by Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org>.
Sean,
Although I understand your agitation, I kindly ask you to sit back and
cool down a little bit. Please do not abuse votings for personal
reasons. I do not even get it out of your mail what you actually want to
vote about:
- vote, which tree is better?
- vote, if we should have one or two tree components?
- vote, who is the better developer? (sorry for sarcasm)
As an PPMC member I veto against this voting. IMHO, it is counter
productive because the most likely end of such a voting would be one of
you two leaving our community, which is the worst for all of us.
Although it is not an ideal situation, we can all live with two
competing tree components for now.
Democracy has it's limits. You said yourself: "Oliver and I have both
put a lot of time into the respective tree controls". I do not want to
tolerate a voting that asks the community who's component should be
kicked out. This voting is a maybe-win situation for you, but it is a
loose-loose situation for MyFaces, that's sure.
Let fair competition act: What counts? Better documentation? Better
examples? More features? I don't know. Time will show.
Regards,
Manfred
Sean Schofield schrieb:
> I propose a vote to end the tree vs tree2 controversey. Since it
> seems that Oliver and I have reached an impasse (to put it mildly), I
> move that we have two tree controls: tree and tree2 and let the user
> decide which is best for them.
>
> While I think it is unfortunate that we cannot agree on a single new
> tree control together this is probably the best course of action for
> the sake of the team. So I'd like a vote on this so I can know for
> sure how to go forward.
>
> I will start the voting ... +1 for me
>
> ps. I know we don't like voting but I think its important to have
> voting for big decisions like this. Oliver and I have both put a lot
> of time into the respective tree controls so its only fair that we ask
> the group for direction on how to proceed.
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Two tree controls
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1!
regards,
Martin
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:55:47 -0500, Sean Schofield
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I propose a vote to end the tree vs tree2 controversey. Since it
> seems that Oliver and I have reached an impasse (to put it mildly), I
> move that we have two tree controls: tree and tree2 and let the user
> decide which is best for them.
>
> While I think it is unfortunate that we cannot agree on a single new
> tree control together this is probably the best course of action for
> the sake of the team. So I'd like a vote on this so I can know for
> sure how to go forward.
>
> I will start the voting ... +1 for me
>
> ps. I know we don't like voting but I think its important to have
> voting for big decisions like this. Oliver and I have both put a lot
> of time into the respective tree controls so its only fair that we ask
> the group for direction on how to proceed.
>