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Re: Brainstorming Thread: Objectives for Developers Conference -
Next Week!
Al,
Thanks for the vote of confidence on Selenium, and generally for keeping
this effort alive, very much appreciated - I'm getting a bit maxed out,
so struggling to keep it going.
My plan - for what it's worth, was to write an auto-install for Selenium
to work around licensing of some of the libs while keeping the bar low
for usage by newbies.
Some util for unzipping will be needed for this, and if it was generic
could be reused for compressing and uncompressing things like big entity
xml data files.
Any takers?
- Andrew
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:01 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> David,
>
> Is Andrew Z going to be there? Will work on the content management system be
> a suitable topic? If not I would like to work on automated testing or
> project management. The work that Andrew Sykes did on integrating Selenium
> with OFBiz is quite impressive (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680). It would be nice to see
> some more work done on it.
>
> -Al
>
> On 2/26/07, David E. Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > NOTE: This thread is mean to cover topics/objectives for the
> > conference only. For information about registration please contact me
> > directly.
> >
> > The Developers Conference starts one week from today, so I guess it's
> > about time to start getting a final list of objectives put together.
> >
> > A number of different things have been discussed and I have a bunch
> > of emails saved from these, but rather than sending out my list so
> > far I'd like to start out first with a "brainstorming thread".
> >
> > So, please respond to this with whatever you think would be good to
> > work on during the developers conference.
> >
> > Even if you aren't planning on or able to participate we want your
> > feedback. Of course, as is always the case with a community driven
> > project like OFBiz this is a meritocracy so those actually working on
> > things (on-site or remotely) are the ones who will be deciding on
> > what to work on. As I write that I actually feel silly, because how
> > else could it be?
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> >
--
Kind Regards
Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
Sykes Development Ltd
http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
Re: Brainstorming Thread: Objectives for Developers Conference - Next Week!
Posted by Al Byers <by...@automationgroups.com>.
Andrew,
Others may feel differently, but I thought it was sufficiently easy to
install and, to be honest, lowering the bar for newbies is not one of my
biggest priorities. I think it is more important to make it easier for
developers to write tests and so I would like to throw open the question of
what does that entail? I don't really know. I do know that in some cases,
"automation == ease". Are there places where we can automate things?
I also have a question about remote service interface. I did not have time
to look at it in as much depth. I understand that you can select return
parameters to use in the input to the next service call, but is there a way
to specify input parameters to the initial service call? Can we make a
service call from Selenium? I just got as far as the one screen where the
user enters the services name and "pool". What is pool?
How about take down? Is that something that you usually want to do in these
sorts of tests? I guess I mean rolling back transactions. Does OFBiz already
have some sort of cascading remove capability? I know that there are
"related remove" methods.
-Al
On 2/28/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> Thanks for the vote of confidence on Selenium, and generally for keeping
> this effort alive, very much appreciated - I'm getting a bit maxed out,
> so struggling to keep it going.
>
> My plan - for what it's worth, was to write an auto-install for Selenium
> to work around licensing of some of the libs while keeping the bar low
> for usage by newbies.
>
> Some util for unzipping will be needed for this, and if it was generic
> could be reused for compressing and uncompressing things like big entity
> xml data files.
>
> Any takers?
>
> - Andrew
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:01 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > Is Andrew Z going to be there? Will work on the content management
> system be
> > a suitable topic? If not I would like to work on automated testing or
> > project management. The work that Andrew Sykes did on integrating
> Selenium
> > with OFBiz is quite impressive (
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680). It would be nice to
> see
> > some more work done on it.
> >
> > -Al
> >
> > On 2/26/07, David E. Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > NOTE: This thread is mean to cover topics/objectives for the
> > > conference only. For information about registration please contact me
> > > directly.
> > >
> > > The Developers Conference starts one week from today, so I guess it's
> > > about time to start getting a final list of objectives put together.
> > >
> > > A number of different things have been discussed and I have a bunch
> > > of emails saved from these, but rather than sending out my list so
> > > far I'd like to start out first with a "brainstorming thread".
> > >
> > > So, please respond to this with whatever you think would be good to
> > > work on during the developers conference.
> > >
> > > Even if you aren't planning on or able to participate we want your
> > > feedback. Of course, as is always the case with a community driven
> > > project like OFBiz this is a meritocracy so those actually working on
> > > things (on-site or remotely) are the ones who will be deciding on
> > > what to work on. As I write that I actually feel silly, because how
> > > else could it be?
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> --
> Kind Regards
> Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
> Sykes Development Ltd
> http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
>
>
Re: Brainstorming Thread: Objectives for Developers Conference - Next Week!
Posted by Al Byers <by...@automationgroups.com>.
Andrew,
I meant to ask if you had come across this means for turning Selenium into a
load testing tool:
http://ez.no/community/articles/testing_ez_publish_with_selenium/performance_testing
-Al
On 3/1/07, Al Byers <by...@automationgroups.com> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> I agree that those are good reasons to automate the install. But to be
> honest again, you seem to know what needs to be done and are probably the
> best person to do it :0) Maybe I can help outside of the conference. I will
> sit in on the testing group early in the week, but will be transitioning to
> the content management group later in the week. I will wait to see what that
> testing group has in mind and make sure the current state of Selenium is
> presented. As has been stated, the things that will get done will be those
> things that the attendees are most interested in.
>
> I am pretty sure that one of the main goals is to cover as much of OFBiz
> as possible with JUnit test - though we are not doing a very good job of
> getting the agendas out before the meeting.
>
> -Al
>
> On 3/1/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
> >
> > Al,
> >
> > Writing tests with Selenium is particularly easy if you install the
> > SeleniumIDE (for FireFox). Writing a test is then as simple a clicking
> > record.
> >
> > The "Run Service" addition does allow you to add results to the session
> > and then populate the next "Run Service" with them. In conjunction with
> > Selenium, initial parameters would be recorded in the test case. If you
> > need more flexibility, just pair up a bsh with the ftl where the test
> > case is recorded - some work/thought is needed around this to make it
> > work well.
> >
> > I should have clarified my comment about lowering the bar for newbies.
> > In my opinion, there are two reasons why this is important.
> > 1/ Automated testing is a really important thing for technology managers
> > when they are evaluating, I'd hate to think that we lose adopters
> > because checking automated testing features is just too much hassle.
> > 2/ Selenium automation can be slowed down, a few people have mentioned
> > to me via the ML and privately that they would like to be able to record
> > a sequence of actions for didactic purposes (e.g. "how do I create a
> > variant product?"), for this to be practical the bar needs to be very
> > low!
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> > - Andrew
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 17:41 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > > Andrew,
> > >
> > > Others may feel differently, but I thought it was sufficiently easy to
> >
> > > install and, to be honest, lowering the bar for newbies is not one of
> > my
> > > biggest priorities. I think it is more important to make it easier for
> > > developers to write tests and so I would like to throw open the
> > question of
> > > what does that entail? I don't really know. I do know that in some
> > cases,
> > > "automation == ease". Are there places where we can automate things?
> > >
> > > I also have a question about remote service interface. I did not have
> > time
> > > to look at it in as much depth. I understand that you can select
> > return
> > > parameters to use in the input to the next service call, but is there
> > a way
> > > to specify input parameters to the initial service call? Can we make a
> >
> > > service call from Selenium? I just got as far as the one screen where
> > the
> > > user enters the services name and "pool". What is pool?
> > >
> > > How about take down? Is that something that you usually want to do in
> > these
> > > sorts of tests? I guess I mean rolling back transactions. Does OFBiz
> > already
> > > have some sort of cascading remove capability? I know that there are
> > > "related remove" methods.
> > >
> > > -Al
> > >
> > > On 2/28/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Al,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the vote of confidence on Selenium, and generally for
> > keeping
> > > > this effort alive, very much appreciated - I'm getting a bit maxed
> > out,
> > > > so struggling to keep it going.
> > > >
> > > > My plan - for what it's worth, was to write an auto-install for
> > Selenium
> > > > to work around licensing of some of the libs while keeping the bar
> > low
> > > > for usage by newbies.
> > > >
> > > > Some util for unzipping will be needed for this, and if it was
> > generic
> > > > could be reused for compressing and uncompressing things like big
> > entity
> > > > xml data files.
> > > >
> > > > Any takers?
> > > >
> > > > - Andrew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:01 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > > > > David,
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Andrew Z going to be there? Will work on the content management
> > > > system be
> > > > > a suitable topic? If not I would like to work on automated testing
> > or
> > > > > project management. The work that Andrew Sykes did on integrating
> > > > Selenium
> > > > > with OFBiz is quite impressive (
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680). It would be nice
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > some more work done on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Al
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/26/07, David E. Jones <jonesde@hotwaxmedia.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NOTE: This thread is mean to cover topics/objectives for the
> > > > > > conference only. For information about registration please
> > contact me
> > > > > > directly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Developers Conference starts one week from today, so I guess
> > it's
> > > > > > about time to start getting a final list of objectives put
> > together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A number of different things have been discussed and I have a
> > bunch
> > > > > > of emails saved from these, but rather than sending out my list
> > so
> > > > > > far I'd like to start out first with a "brainstorming thread".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, please respond to this with whatever you think would be good
> > to
> > > > > > work on during the developers conference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even if you aren't planning on or able to participate we want
> > your
> > > > > > feedback. Of course, as is always the case with a community
> > driven
> > > > > > project like OFBiz this is a meritocracy so those actually
> > working on
> > > > > > things (on-site or remotely) are the ones who will be deciding
> > on
> > > > > > what to work on. As I write that I actually feel silly, because
> > how
> > > > > > else could it be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kind Regards
> > > > Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
> > > > Sykes Development Ltd
> > > > http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > --
> > Kind Regards
> > Andrew Sykes <andrew@sykesdevelopment.com >
> > Sykes Development Ltd
> > http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
> >
> >
>
Re: Brainstorming Thread: Objectives for Developers Conference -
Next Week!
Posted by Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>.
Al,
That's an interesting article and selenium-goto sounds like a useful
addition, although we do already have some of this flexibility by just
wrapping a chunk of tests in an ftl loop - although you can imagine how
that could quickly get out of hand!
The only thing that seems odd to me is the idea that you would stress
the application with a different tool, but I guess Selenium is a bit
limited in what it can do in this respect.
Whether this happens at the conference or outside it, I'd very much
welcome your collaboration with this, as I've already had to make a lot
of decisions about the layout of this work that would seem better
addressed collaboratively.
Thanks again.
- Andrew
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 21:52 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I meant to ask if you had come across this means for turning Selenium into a
> load testing tool:
> http://ez.no/community/articles/testing_ez_publish_with_selenium/performance_testing
>
> -Al
>
> On 3/1/07, Al Byers <by...@automationgroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > I agree that those are good reasons to automate the install. But to be
> > honest again, you seem to know what needs to be done and are probably the
> > best person to do it :0) Maybe I can help outside of the conference. I will
> > sit in on the testing group early in the week, but will be transitioning to
> > the content management group later in the week. I will wait to see what that
> > testing group has in mind and make sure the current state of Selenium is
> > presented. As has been stated, the things that will get done will be those
> > things that the attendees are most interested in.
> >
> > I am pretty sure that one of the main goals is to cover as much of OFBiz
> > as possible with JUnit test - though we are not doing a very good job of
> > getting the agendas out before the meeting.
> >
> > -Al
> >
> > On 3/1/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Al,
> > >
> > > Writing tests with Selenium is particularly easy if you install the
> > > SeleniumIDE (for FireFox). Writing a test is then as simple a clicking
> > > record.
> > >
> > > The "Run Service" addition does allow you to add results to the session
> > > and then populate the next "Run Service" with them. In conjunction with
> > > Selenium, initial parameters would be recorded in the test case. If you
> > > need more flexibility, just pair up a bsh with the ftl where the test
> > > case is recorded - some work/thought is needed around this to make it
> > > work well.
> > >
> > > I should have clarified my comment about lowering the bar for newbies.
> > > In my opinion, there are two reasons why this is important.
> > > 1/ Automated testing is a really important thing for technology managers
> > > when they are evaluating, I'd hate to think that we lose adopters
> > > because checking automated testing features is just too much hassle.
> > > 2/ Selenium automation can be slowed down, a few people have mentioned
> > > to me via the ML and privately that they would like to be able to record
> > > a sequence of actions for didactic purposes (e.g. "how do I create a
> > > variant product?"), for this to be practical the bar needs to be very
> > > low!
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think.
> > > - Andrew
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 17:41 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > > > Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > Others may feel differently, but I thought it was sufficiently easy to
> > >
> > > > install and, to be honest, lowering the bar for newbies is not one of
> > > my
> > > > biggest priorities. I think it is more important to make it easier for
> > > > developers to write tests and so I would like to throw open the
> > > question of
> > > > what does that entail? I don't really know. I do know that in some
> > > cases,
> > > > "automation == ease". Are there places where we can automate things?
> > > >
> > > > I also have a question about remote service interface. I did not have
> > > time
> > > > to look at it in as much depth. I understand that you can select
> > > return
> > > > parameters to use in the input to the next service call, but is there
> > > a way
> > > > to specify input parameters to the initial service call? Can we make a
> > >
> > > > service call from Selenium? I just got as far as the one screen where
> > > the
> > > > user enters the services name and "pool". What is pool?
> > > >
> > > > How about take down? Is that something that you usually want to do in
> > > these
> > > > sorts of tests? I guess I mean rolling back transactions. Does OFBiz
> > > already
> > > > have some sort of cascading remove capability? I know that there are
> > > > "related remove" methods.
> > > >
> > > > -Al
> > > >
> > > > On 2/28/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Al,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the vote of confidence on Selenium, and generally for
> > > keeping
> > > > > this effort alive, very much appreciated - I'm getting a bit maxed
> > > out,
> > > > > so struggling to keep it going.
> > > > >
> > > > > My plan - for what it's worth, was to write an auto-install for
> > > Selenium
> > > > > to work around licensing of some of the libs while keeping the bar
> > > low
> > > > > for usage by newbies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some util for unzipping will be needed for this, and if it was
> > > generic
> > > > > could be reused for compressing and uncompressing things like big
> > > entity
> > > > > xml data files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any takers?
> > > > >
> > > > > - Andrew
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:01 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > > > > > David,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is Andrew Z going to be there? Will work on the content management
> > > > > system be
> > > > > > a suitable topic? If not I would like to work on automated testing
> > > or
> > > > > > project management. The work that Andrew Sykes did on integrating
> > > > > Selenium
> > > > > > with OFBiz is quite impressive (
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680). It would be nice
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > some more work done on it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Al
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2/26/07, David E. Jones <jonesde@hotwaxmedia.com > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NOTE: This thread is mean to cover topics/objectives for the
> > > > > > > conference only. For information about registration please
> > > contact me
> > > > > > > directly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Developers Conference starts one week from today, so I guess
> > > it's
> > > > > > > about time to start getting a final list of objectives put
> > > together.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A number of different things have been discussed and I have a
> > > bunch
> > > > > > > of emails saved from these, but rather than sending out my list
> > > so
> > > > > > > far I'd like to start out first with a "brainstorming thread".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, please respond to this with whatever you think would be good
> > > to
> > > > > > > work on during the developers conference.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Even if you aren't planning on or able to participate we want
> > > your
> > > > > > > feedback. Of course, as is always the case with a community
> > > driven
> > > > > > > project like OFBiz this is a meritocracy so those actually
> > > working on
> > > > > > > things (on-site or remotely) are the ones who will be deciding
> > > on
> > > > > > > what to work on. As I write that I actually feel silly, because
> > > how
> > > > > > > else could it be?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
> > > > > Sykes Development Ltd
> > > > > http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Andrew Sykes <andrew@sykesdevelopment.com >
> > > Sykes Development Ltd
> > > http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
> > >
> > >
> >
--
Kind Regards
Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
Sykes Development Ltd
http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
Re: Brainstorming Thread: Objectives for Developers Conference - Next Week!
Posted by Al Byers <by...@automationgroups.com>.
Andrew,
I agree that those are good reasons to automate the install. But to be
honest again, you seem to know what needs to be done and are probably the
best person to do it :0) Maybe I can help outside of the conference. I will
sit in on the testing group early in the week, but will be transitioning to
the content management group later in the week. I will wait to see what that
testing group has in mind and make sure the current state of Selenium is
presented. As has been stated, the things that will get done will be those
things that the attendees are most interested in.
I am pretty sure that one of the main goals is to cover as much of OFBiz as
possible with JUnit test - though we are not doing a very good job of
getting the agendas out before the meeting.
-Al
On 3/1/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> Writing tests with Selenium is particularly easy if you install the
> SeleniumIDE (for FireFox). Writing a test is then as simple a clicking
> record.
>
> The "Run Service" addition does allow you to add results to the session
> and then populate the next "Run Service" with them. In conjunction with
> Selenium, initial parameters would be recorded in the test case. If you
> need more flexibility, just pair up a bsh with the ftl where the test
> case is recorded - some work/thought is needed around this to make it
> work well.
>
> I should have clarified my comment about lowering the bar for newbies.
> In my opinion, there are two reasons why this is important.
> 1/ Automated testing is a really important thing for technology managers
> when they are evaluating, I'd hate to think that we lose adopters
> because checking automated testing features is just too much hassle.
> 2/ Selenium automation can be slowed down, a few people have mentioned
> to me via the ML and privately that they would like to be able to record
> a sequence of actions for didactic purposes (e.g. "how do I create a
> variant product?"), for this to be practical the bar needs to be very
> low!
>
> Let me know what you think.
> - Andrew
>
> On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 17:41 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Others may feel differently, but I thought it was sufficiently easy to
> > install and, to be honest, lowering the bar for newbies is not one of my
> > biggest priorities. I think it is more important to make it easier for
> > developers to write tests and so I would like to throw open the question
> of
> > what does that entail? I don't really know. I do know that in some
> cases,
> > "automation == ease". Are there places where we can automate things?
> >
> > I also have a question about remote service interface. I did not have
> time
> > to look at it in as much depth. I understand that you can select return
> > parameters to use in the input to the next service call, but is there a
> way
> > to specify input parameters to the initial service call? Can we make a
> > service call from Selenium? I just got as far as the one screen where
> the
> > user enters the services name and "pool". What is pool?
> >
> > How about take down? Is that something that you usually want to do in
> these
> > sorts of tests? I guess I mean rolling back transactions. Does OFBiz
> already
> > have some sort of cascading remove capability? I know that there are
> > "related remove" methods.
> >
> > -Al
> >
> > On 2/28/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Al,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the vote of confidence on Selenium, and generally for
> keeping
> > > this effort alive, very much appreciated - I'm getting a bit maxed
> out,
> > > so struggling to keep it going.
> > >
> > > My plan - for what it's worth, was to write an auto-install for
> Selenium
> > > to work around licensing of some of the libs while keeping the bar low
> > > for usage by newbies.
> > >
> > > Some util for unzipping will be needed for this, and if it was generic
> > > could be reused for compressing and uncompressing things like big
> entity
> > > xml data files.
> > >
> > > Any takers?
> > >
> > > - Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:01 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Is Andrew Z going to be there? Will work on the content management
> > > system be
> > > > a suitable topic? If not I would like to work on automated testing
> or
> > > > project management. The work that Andrew Sykes did on integrating
> > > Selenium
> > > > with OFBiz is quite impressive (
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680). It would be nice
> to
> > > see
> > > > some more work done on it.
> > > >
> > > > -Al
> > > >
> > > > On 2/26/07, David E. Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTE: This thread is mean to cover topics/objectives for the
> > > > > conference only. For information about registration please contact
> me
> > > > > directly.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Developers Conference starts one week from today, so I guess
> it's
> > > > > about time to start getting a final list of objectives put
> together.
> > > > >
> > > > > A number of different things have been discussed and I have a
> bunch
> > > > > of emails saved from these, but rather than sending out my list so
> > > > > far I'd like to start out first with a "brainstorming thread".
> > > > >
> > > > > So, please respond to this with whatever you think would be good
> to
> > > > > work on during the developers conference.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if you aren't planning on or able to participate we want your
> > > > > feedback. Of course, as is always the case with a community driven
> > > > > project like OFBiz this is a meritocracy so those actually working
> on
> > > > > things (on-site or remotely) are the ones who will be deciding on
> > > > > what to work on. As I write that I actually feel silly, because
> how
> > > > > else could it be?
> > > > >
> > > > > -David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
> > > Sykes Development Ltd
> > > http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
> > >
> > >
> --
> Kind Regards
> Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
> Sykes Development Ltd
> http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
>
>
Re: Brainstorming Thread: Objectives for Developers Conference -
Next Week!
Posted by Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>.
Al,
Writing tests with Selenium is particularly easy if you install the
SeleniumIDE (for FireFox). Writing a test is then as simple a clicking
record.
The "Run Service" addition does allow you to add results to the session
and then populate the next "Run Service" with them. In conjunction with
Selenium, initial parameters would be recorded in the test case. If you
need more flexibility, just pair up a bsh with the ftl where the test
case is recorded - some work/thought is needed around this to make it
work well.
I should have clarified my comment about lowering the bar for newbies.
In my opinion, there are two reasons why this is important.
1/ Automated testing is a really important thing for technology managers
when they are evaluating, I'd hate to think that we lose adopters
because checking automated testing features is just too much hassle.
2/ Selenium automation can be slowed down, a few people have mentioned
to me via the ML and privately that they would like to be able to record
a sequence of actions for didactic purposes (e.g. "how do I create a
variant product?"), for this to be practical the bar needs to be very
low!
Let me know what you think.
- Andrew
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 17:41 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> Others may feel differently, but I thought it was sufficiently easy to
> install and, to be honest, lowering the bar for newbies is not one of my
> biggest priorities. I think it is more important to make it easier for
> developers to write tests and so I would like to throw open the question of
> what does that entail? I don't really know. I do know that in some cases,
> "automation == ease". Are there places where we can automate things?
>
> I also have a question about remote service interface. I did not have time
> to look at it in as much depth. I understand that you can select return
> parameters to use in the input to the next service call, but is there a way
> to specify input parameters to the initial service call? Can we make a
> service call from Selenium? I just got as far as the one screen where the
> user enters the services name and "pool". What is pool?
>
> How about take down? Is that something that you usually want to do in these
> sorts of tests? I guess I mean rolling back transactions. Does OFBiz already
> have some sort of cascading remove capability? I know that there are
> "related remove" methods.
>
> -Al
>
> On 2/28/07, Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com> wrote:
> >
> > Al,
> >
> > Thanks for the vote of confidence on Selenium, and generally for keeping
> > this effort alive, very much appreciated - I'm getting a bit maxed out,
> > so struggling to keep it going.
> >
> > My plan - for what it's worth, was to write an auto-install for Selenium
> > to work around licensing of some of the libs while keeping the bar low
> > for usage by newbies.
> >
> > Some util for unzipping will be needed for this, and if it was generic
> > could be reused for compressing and uncompressing things like big entity
> > xml data files.
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> > - Andrew
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:01 -0700, Al Byers wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Is Andrew Z going to be there? Will work on the content management
> > system be
> > > a suitable topic? If not I would like to work on automated testing or
> > > project management. The work that Andrew Sykes did on integrating
> > Selenium
> > > with OFBiz is quite impressive (
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-680). It would be nice to
> > see
> > > some more work done on it.
> > >
> > > -Al
> > >
> > > On 2/26/07, David E. Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NOTE: This thread is mean to cover topics/objectives for the
> > > > conference only. For information about registration please contact me
> > > > directly.
> > > >
> > > > The Developers Conference starts one week from today, so I guess it's
> > > > about time to start getting a final list of objectives put together.
> > > >
> > > > A number of different things have been discussed and I have a bunch
> > > > of emails saved from these, but rather than sending out my list so
> > > > far I'd like to start out first with a "brainstorming thread".
> > > >
> > > > So, please respond to this with whatever you think would be good to
> > > > work on during the developers conference.
> > > >
> > > > Even if you aren't planning on or able to participate we want your
> > > > feedback. Of course, as is always the case with a community driven
> > > > project like OFBiz this is a meritocracy so those actually working on
> > > > things (on-site or remotely) are the ones who will be deciding on
> > > > what to work on. As I write that I actually feel silly, because how
> > > > else could it be?
> > > >
> > > > -David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > --
> > Kind Regards
> > Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
> > Sykes Development Ltd
> > http://www.sykesdevelopment.com
> >
> >
--
Kind Regards
Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
Sykes Development Ltd
http://www.sykesdevelopment.com