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Posted to dev@solr.apache.org by Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> on 2021/12/14 19:59:15 UTC
Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Hello, Colleagues.
I remember this param from early beginning
https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76.
And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I
put it?
Thanks
--
Sincerely yours
Mikhail Khludnev
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com>.
Perhaps the common query parameters page should have a pointer to any other
pages that have "uncommon" query parameters, since that is probably where
most folks will start and it certainly comes up high in google search
results for "solr query parameters"
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:08 PM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>
wrote:
> I think we are! However, should we add more text on the caveats?
>
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Are you guys talking about this?
> https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_10/solrcloud-query-routing-and-read-tolerance.html#collection-parameter
> On Dec 15, 2021, 8:04 AM -0600, Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>,
> wrote:
>
> We have a “Expert Feature” concept in the ref guide I believe for these
> kinds of settings! Mikhail, if you want to write the text, I’d be happy
> to wordsmith it!
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if
> schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to
> different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok
> with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly
> applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should
> be undocumented however.
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Colleagues.
>>
>> I remember this param from early beginning
>> https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76.
>> And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
>> Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I
>> put it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Sincerely yours
>> Mikhail Khludnev
>>
>>
>> _______________________
>> *Eric Pugh **| *Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467
>> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
>> <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
>> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
>> <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
>> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be
>> Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless
>> of whether attachments are marked as such.
>>
>>
>
> --
> http://www.needhamsoftware.com (work)
> http://www.the111shift.com (play)
>
>
> _______________________
> *Eric Pugh **| *Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467
> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be
> Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless
> of whether attachments are marked as such.
>
>
> _______________________
> *Eric Pugh **| *Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467
> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be
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>
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http://www.the111shift.com (play)
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>.
I think we are! However, should we add more text on the caveats?
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you guys talking about this? https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_10/solrcloud-query-routing-and-read-tolerance.html#collection-parameter <https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_10/solrcloud-query-routing-and-read-tolerance.html#collection-parameter>
> On Dec 15, 2021, 8:04 AM -0600, Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>, wrote:
>> We have a “Expert Feature” concept in the ref guide I believe for these kinds of settings! Mikhail, if you want to write the text, I’d be happy to wordsmith it!
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Gus Heck <gus.heck@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should be undocumented however.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <epugh@opensourceconnections.com <ma...@opensourceconnections.com>> wrote:
>>> I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
>>>
>>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mkhl@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Colleagues.
>>>>
>>>> I remember this param from early beginning https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76 <https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76>. And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
>>>> Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I put it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> --
>>>> Sincerely yours
>>>> Mikhail Khludnev
>>>
>>> _______________________
>>> Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
>>> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
>>> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.needhamsoftware.com <http://www.needhamsoftware.com/> (work)
>>> http://www.the111shift.com <http://www.the111shift.com/> (play)
>>
>> _______________________
>> Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
>> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
>> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
>>
_______________________
Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
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Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org>.
Thanks, Cassandra. That's what we need!
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:07 PM Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> In 9 that moves to this page:
> https://nightlies.apache.org/solr/draft-guides/solr-reference-guide-main/solrcloud-distributed-requests.html#collection-parameter
> On Dec 15, 2021, 12:05 PM -0600, Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com>,
> wrote:
>
> Are you guys talking about this?
> https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_10/solrcloud-query-routing-and-read-tolerance.html#collection-parameter
> On Dec 15, 2021, 8:04 AM -0600, Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>,
> wrote:
>
> We have a “Expert Feature” concept in the ref guide I believe for these
> kinds of settings! Mikhail, if you want to write the text, I’d be happy
> to wordsmith it!
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if
> schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to
> different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok
> with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly
> applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should
> be undocumented however.
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Colleagues.
>>
>> I remember this param from early beginning
>> https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76.
>> And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
>> Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I
>> put it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Sincerely yours
>> Mikhail Khludnev
>>
>>
>> _______________________
>> *Eric Pugh **| *Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467
>> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
>> <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
>> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
>> <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
>> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be
>> Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless
>> of whether attachments are marked as such.
>>
>>
>
> --
> http://www.needhamsoftware.com (work)
> http://www.the111shift.com (play)
>
>
> _______________________
> *Eric Pugh **| *Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467
> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be
> Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless
> of whether attachments are marked as such.
>
>
--
Sincerely yours
Mikhail Khludnev
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com>.
In 9 that moves to this page: https://nightlies.apache.org/solr/draft-guides/solr-reference-guide-main/solrcloud-distributed-requests.html#collection-parameter
On Dec 15, 2021, 12:05 PM -0600, Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com>, wrote:
> Are you guys talking about this? https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_10/solrcloud-query-routing-and-read-tolerance.html#collection-parameter
> On Dec 15, 2021, 8:04 AM -0600, Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>, wrote:
> > We have a “Expert Feature” concept in the ref guide I believe for these kinds of settings! Mikhail, if you want to write the text, I’d be happy to wordsmith it!
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should be undocumented however.
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
> > > > > I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello, Colleagues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I remember this param from early beginning https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76. And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
> > > > > > Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I put it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sincerely yours
> > > > > > Mikhail Khludnev
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________
> > > > > Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> > > > > Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> > > > > This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.needhamsoftware.com (work)
> > > http://www.the111shift.com (play)
> >
> > _______________________
> > Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> > Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> > This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
> >
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Cassandra Targett <ca...@gmail.com>.
Are you guys talking about this? https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_10/solrcloud-query-routing-and-read-tolerance.html#collection-parameter
On Dec 15, 2021, 8:04 AM -0600, Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>, wrote:
> We have a “Expert Feature” concept in the ref guide I believe for these kinds of settings! Mikhail, if you want to write the text, I’d be happy to wordsmith it!
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should be undocumented however.
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
> > > > I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello, Colleagues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember this param from early beginning https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76. And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
> > > > > Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I put it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sincerely yours
> > > > > Mikhail Khludnev
> > > >
> > > > _______________________
> > > > Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> > > > Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> > > > This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.needhamsoftware.com (work)
> > http://www.the111shift.com (play)
>
> _______________________
> Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
>
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>.
We have a “Expert Feature” concept in the ref guide I believe for these kinds of settings! Mikhail, if you want to write the text, I’d be happy to wordsmith it!
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should be undocumented however.
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <epugh@opensourceconnections.com <ma...@opensourceconnections.com>> wrote:
> I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mkhl@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Colleagues.
>>
>> I remember this param from early beginning https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76 <https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76>. And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
>> Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I put it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Sincerely yours
>> Mikhail Khludnev
>
> _______________________
> Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.needhamsoftware.com <http://www.needhamsoftware.com/> (work)
> http://www.the111shift.com <http://www.the111shift.com/> (play)
_______________________
Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Gus Heck <gu...@gmail.com>.
If documented, some text alerting the user to the difficulties possible if
schemas don't match, and relevancy not working as well due to
different term frequencies among collections (except maybe it will be ok
with use of a stats cache?) It's kind of a tricky thing to use, mostly
applicable in carefully designed custom solutions. Doesn't mean it should
be undocumented however.
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:07 PM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>
wrote:
> I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hello, Colleagues.
>
> I remember this param from early beginning
> https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76.
> And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
> Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I
> put it?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Sincerely yours
> Mikhail Khludnev
>
>
> _______________________
> *Eric Pugh **| *Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467
> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com | My Free/Busy
> <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed
> <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be
> Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless
> of whether attachments are marked as such.
>
>
--
http://www.needhamsoftware.com (work)
http://www.the111shift.com (play)
Re: Why collection=collection1,2,3 param isn't described in Ref Guide?
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>.
I suspect it’s more like this never was documented ;-).
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Mikhail Khludnev <mk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hello, Colleagues.
>
> I remember this param from early beginning https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76 <https://github.com/apache/solr/blame/main/solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/handler/component/CloudReplicaSource.java#L76>. And every time I wondered why it's out of reference guide.
> Is it a kind of backdoor? Is it described somewhere already? Where can I put it?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Sincerely yours
> Mikhail Khludnev
_______________________
Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal>
Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw>
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