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Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Hi All,
I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
feels like a stretch.
Thoughts?
Gary
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
That would be a gamble on the classpath order of everything. The majority
of the work I did toward the bridge was working on a way to dynamically
inject Log4j into JUL to take over existing loggers and such. However, that
may be overly complicated. Just a bit.
On 23 August 2014 00:26, Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Could we set this property ourselves in the JUL bridge jar? So that just
> including this jar would set the system property? (Just thinking out
> loud...)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2014/08/23, at 3:44, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That was my goal at least with the work I did a little while back. Though
> simplifying the requirements to making the user specify the correct system
> property to choose Log4j2 does make that a whole lot easier.
>
>
> On 22 August 2014 18:17, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With SLF4J, JCL, and Log4j1 compatibility, I think we're far better than
>>> JCL. I think we need a proper java.util.logger bridge as well to be a
>>> complete replacement, though.
>>>
>>
>> I agree there, a bridge would round things out. For 2.1?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 August 2014 18:08, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC
>>>> Chair FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with
>>>> Commons Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j
>>>> Community can say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider
>>>> Commons Logging obsolete because A, B and C".
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized
>>>>>> messages or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but
>>>>>>> it feels like a stretch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
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>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
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>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>
>
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.
Could we set this property ourselves in the JUL bridge jar? So that just including this jar would set the system property? (Just thinking out loud...)
Sent from my iPhone
> On 2014/08/23, at 3:44, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That was my goal at least with the work I did a little while back. Though simplifying the requirements to making the user specify the correct system property to choose Log4j2 does make that a whole lot easier.
>
>
>> On 22 August 2014 18:17, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> With SLF4J, JCL, and Log4j1 compatibility, I think we're far better than JCL. I think we need a proper java.util.logger bridge as well to be a complete replacement, though.
>>
>> I agree there, a bridge would round things out. For 2.1?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 22 August 2014 18:08, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC Chair FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with Commons Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j Community can say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider Commons Logging obsolete because A, B and C".
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized messages or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it feels like a stretch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action
>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>>>> Spring Batch in Action
>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>> Spring Batch in Action
>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
That was my goal at least with the work I did a little while back. Though
simplifying the requirements to making the user specify the correct system
property to choose Log4j2 does make that a whole lot easier.
On 22 August 2014 18:17, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With SLF4J, JCL, and Log4j1 compatibility, I think we're far better than
>> JCL. I think we need a proper java.util.logger bridge as well to be a
>> complete replacement, though.
>>
>
> I agree there, a bridge would round things out. For 2.1?
>
> Gary
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 22 August 2014 18:08, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC
>>> Chair FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with
>>> Commons Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j
>>> Community can say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider
>>> Commons Logging obsolete because A, B and C".
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized
>>>>> messages or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but
>>>>>> it feels like a stretch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
> Home: http://garygregory.com/
> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>
--
Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With SLF4J, JCL, and Log4j1 compatibility, I think we're far better than
> JCL. I think we need a proper java.util.logger bridge as well to be a
> complete replacement, though.
>
I agree there, a bridge would round things out. For 2.1?
Gary
>
>
> On 22 August 2014 18:08, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC
>> Chair FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with
>> Commons Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j
>> Community can say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider
>> Commons Logging obsolete because A, B and C".
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized
>>>> messages or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
>>>>> feels like a stretch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>
--
E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
<http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
Home: http://garygregory.com/
Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
With SLF4J, JCL, and Log4j1 compatibility, I think we're far better than
JCL. I think we need a proper java.util.logger bridge as well to be a
complete replacement, though.
On 22 August 2014 18:08, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC Chair
> FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with Commons
> Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j Community can
> say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider Commons Logging
> obsolete because A, B and C".
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>>
>>
>> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized
>>> messages or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
>>>> feels like a stretch.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
> Home: http://garygregory.com/
> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
I could see a statement to that effect making it in our FAQ once we have
true feature parity, specifically a bridge to JUL IIRC (without going
through Slf4j).
Gary
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> In my opinion its surely obsolete, but where is the point saying it?
> Do you want to add a statement on the website?
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC
> Chair
> > FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with Commons
> > Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j Community
> can
> > say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider Commons Logging
> > obsolete because A, B and C".
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized
> messages
> >>> or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
> >>>> feels like a stretch.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
> >>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> >>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
> >>>> Spring Batch in Action
> >>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
> >>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
> >>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
> > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition
> > Spring Batch in Action
> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
> > Home: http://garygregory.com/
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>
>
>
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
In my opinion its surely obsolete, but where is the point saying it?
Do you want to add a statement on the website?
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC Chair
> FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with Commons
> Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j Community can
> say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider Commons Logging
> obsolete because A, B and C".
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>>
>>
>> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized messages
>>> or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
>>>> feels like a stretch.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>>>> Spring Batch in Action
>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
I do not think it matters from the Commons POV. I am the Commons PMC Chair
FYI. Commons as a community can think and do what it wants with Commons
Logging. What I am more concerned about is if, we, the Log4j Community can
say with confidence "Log4j 2 is so good that we consider Commons Logging
obsolete because A, B and C".
Gary
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
>
>
> On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized messages
>> or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>>
>>
>> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
>>> feels like a stretch.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> --
>>> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
Have you asked this on the commons mailing list?
On 20 August 2014 09:46, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized messages
> or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
>
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> On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
>> feels like a stretch.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Gary
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Re: Log4j 2 vs. Commons Logging
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
I'd certainly say so. Commons Logging doesn't have parameterized messages
or markers; that's a pretty big feature at this point.
On 20 August 2014 08:42, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to say that Log4j 2 deprecates Apache Commons Logging, but it
> feels like a stretch.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Gary
>
> --
> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
> Home: http://garygregory.com/
> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
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