You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to users@wicket.apache.org by John <jd...@gmail.com> on 2009/05/14 18:19:24 UTC
Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Hi,
I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal
browsers using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot
does not use sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem
seems to be because the link contains an ajax behaviour it is
considered stateful.
Is there anyway to achieve this?
thanks,
John
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by John Patterson <jd...@gmail.com>.
I have already tried setting the stateless hint to true, which is the same as
using a Bookmarkable link. The problem is that if any behaviour has a
stateless hint of false, it overrides your links hint.
Jeremy Thomerson-5 wrote:
>
> Is your Ajax link redirecting you to another page? Or is it swapping
> something out on the page? I suppose you could create a bookmarkable
> link and add the ajax behavior to it, but this seems counterintuitive
> because it is unlikely that you have an ajax link that is simply
> redirecting you to a new page. So, it seems like this would be
> creating two entirely separate code paths.
>
> --
> Jeremy Thomerson
> http://www.wickettraining.com
>
>
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Bookmarkable-fallback-ajax-link-tp23558981p23587474.html
Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by Jeremy Thomerson <je...@wickettraining.com>.
Is your Ajax link redirecting you to another page? Or is it swapping
something out on the page? I suppose you could create a bookmarkable
link and add the ajax behavior to it, but this seems counterintuitive
because it is unlikely that you have an ajax link that is simply
redirecting you to a new page. So, it seems like this would be
creating two entirely separate code paths.
--
Jeremy Thomerson
http://www.wickettraining.com
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM, John <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal browsers
> using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot does not use
> sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem seems to be because
> the link contains an ajax behaviour it is considered stateful.
>
> Is there anyway to achieve this?
>
> thanks,
>
> John
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by John Patterson <jd...@gmail.com>.
I guess, like you say, it would not be so useful. I was thinking that when
googlebot reads the link and comes back to index the page a week later it
would not get a Page Expired message if the link was bookmarkable. But
probably best to only index the original page anyway and provide another way
for google to index the content on a bookmarkable page (without requiring a
session).
Thanks,
John.
igor.vaynberg wrote:
>
> What would you do with an Ajax fallback bookmarkable link? Do what the
> ret of them do and go to another page? That's the only thing bpls are
> goo for.
>
> -Igor
>
>
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Bookmarkable-fallback-ajax-link-tp23558981p23594651.html
Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
What would you do with an Ajax fallback bookmarkable link? Do what the
ret of them do and go to another page? That's the only thing bpls are
goo for.
-Igor
On Sunday, May 17, 2009, John Patterson <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually I guess I could selectively re-enable url encoding (to put the
> session id) for wicket ajax links. That would work. But I guess the
> googlebot does not always follow links right away. i.e. it might try to
> access the session dependant link the next day. So really, bookmarkable
> fallback urls would be a better solution.
>
>
> John Patterson wrote:
>>
>> I disabled session ids on links so that bots wouldn't index every page
>> with a sessionid.
>>
>> I read somewhere that although googlebot can and does index pages with
>> session ids, it doesn't really like them and will probably index less of
>> them than it otherwise would. Perhaps this is no longer the case? Matt
>> Cutts recommends not to use any parameter that even looks like a session
>> id.
>>
>> Am I right to say that if wicket thought the link was stateless, it would
>> create a bookmarkable url?
>>
>>
>> igor.vaynberg wrote:
>>>
>>> googlebot does not support cookies, so your container will add
>>> jsessionid into the url. so unless googlebot specifically ignores
>>> jsessionid (which doesnt look to be the case because there are plenty
>>> links in google with jsessionid) it should all work.
>>>
>>> -igor
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, John <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal
>>>> browsers
>>>> using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot does not
>>>> use
>>>> sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem seems to be
>>>> because
>>>> the link contains an ajax behaviour it is considered stateful.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anyway to achieve this?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Bookmarkable-fallback-ajax-link-tp23558981p23588626.html
> Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by John Patterson <jd...@gmail.com>.
Actually I guess I could selectively re-enable url encoding (to put the
session id) for wicket ajax links. That would work. But I guess the
googlebot does not always follow links right away. i.e. it might try to
access the session dependant link the next day. So really, bookmarkable
fallback urls would be a better solution.
John Patterson wrote:
>
> I disabled session ids on links so that bots wouldn't index every page
> with a sessionid.
>
> I read somewhere that although googlebot can and does index pages with
> session ids, it doesn't really like them and will probably index less of
> them than it otherwise would. Perhaps this is no longer the case? Matt
> Cutts recommends not to use any parameter that even looks like a session
> id.
>
> Am I right to say that if wicket thought the link was stateless, it would
> create a bookmarkable url?
>
>
> igor.vaynberg wrote:
>>
>> googlebot does not support cookies, so your container will add
>> jsessionid into the url. so unless googlebot specifically ignores
>> jsessionid (which doesnt look to be the case because there are plenty
>> links in google with jsessionid) it should all work.
>>
>> -igor
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, John <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal
>>> browsers
>>> using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot does not
>>> use
>>> sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem seems to be
>>> because
>>> the link contains an ajax behaviour it is considered stateful.
>>>
>>> Is there anyway to achieve this?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Bookmarkable-fallback-ajax-link-tp23558981p23588626.html
Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by John Patterson <jd...@gmail.com>.
I disabled session ids on links so that bots wouldn't index every page with a
sessionid.
I read somewhere that although googlebot can and does index pages with
session ids, it doesn't really like them and will probably index less of
them than it otherwise would. Perhaps this is no longer the case? Matt
Cutts recommends not to use any parameter that even looks like a session id.
Am I right to say that if wicket thought the link was stateless, it would
create a bookmarkable url?
igor.vaynberg wrote:
>
> googlebot does not support cookies, so your container will add
> jsessionid into the url. so unless googlebot specifically ignores
> jsessionid (which doesnt look to be the case because there are plenty
> links in google with jsessionid) it should all work.
>
> -igor
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, John <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal
>> browsers
>> using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot does not
>> use
>> sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem seems to be
>> because
>> the link contains an ajax behaviour it is considered stateful.
>>
>> Is there anyway to achieve this?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>>
>>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>
>
>
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Bookmarkable-fallback-ajax-link-tp23558981p23587452.html
Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by Jeremy Thomerson <je...@wickettraining.com>.
But you don't want URLs with jsessionid in Google's results. Multiple
people can come into your site with the same session.
--
Jeremy Thomerson
http://www.wickettraining.com
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> googlebot does not support cookies, so your container will add
> jsessionid into the url. so unless googlebot specifically ignores
> jsessionid (which doesnt look to be the case because there are plenty
> links in google with jsessionid) it should all work.
>
> -igor
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, John <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal browsers
>> using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot does not use
>> sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem seems to be because
>> the link contains an ajax behaviour it is considered stateful.
>>
>> Is there anyway to achieve this?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>>
>>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
Re: Bookmarkable fallback ajax link
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
googlebot does not support cookies, so your container will add
jsessionid into the url. so unless googlebot specifically ignores
jsessionid (which doesnt look to be the case because there are plenty
links in google with jsessionid) it should all work.
-igor
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:19 AM, John <jd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want googlebot to be able to see content that is shown to normal browsers
> using ajax. I use a fallback ajax link but because googlebot does not use
> sessions the links need to be bookmarkable. The problem seems to be because
> the link contains an ajax behaviour it is considered stateful.
>
> Is there anyway to achieve this?
>
> thanks,
>
> John
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@wicket.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@wicket.apache.org