Re: Influencing the standards which govern Derby

[Rick Hillegas <Ri...@Sun.COM>]

I wanted to summarize where I think this discussion stands now:

1) SQL - Individuals can influence the SQL spec by renting cheap seats 
from ANSI for $500/year. See 
http://www.ansi.org/membership/overview/overview.aspx?menuid=2.

2) JDBC - Fortunately, the JDBC spec lead will continue to be a member 
of our community. In addition, individuals can join the JCP for free. 
See http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership.

3) DRDA - No-one has proposed a strategy for influencing DRDA.

I have emailed my contacts at the DBIOP Consortium, the body which 
governs the DRDA spec. I asked them whether they would consider offering 
Derby a cheap seat like ANSI, a scholarship, or some other creative way 
to participate. I was told the following:

3a) The DBIOP Contortium doesn't offer cheap seats or scholarships.
3b) However, it might be possible for a Consortium member to act as 
Derby's sponsor, advocating our proposals provided that our submissionis 
were complete. So far this is just a possibility. I don't know how 
likely it is.

Regards,
-Rick

Rick Hillegas wrote:

> I would like to understand how the community influences the standards 
> which govern Derby:
>
> 1) SQL - I've been participating in Derby for a year now. Over the 
> past year I don't recall any discussion about a need to change the SQL 
> standard. We have proposed new language in rare cases not covered by 
> the ANSI volumes. However, I don't recall any attempt to contact the 
> SQL group and try to change their spec. Do we need to influence this 
> spec and if so, how do we propose to do so?
>
> 2) JDBC - There has been substantial discussion about the upcoming 
> JDBC4 spec.. Fortunately for us, the spec lead is a member of our 
> community. In several cases he has taken our viewpoint back to the 
> JDBC expert group and advocated our position. However, we don't know 
> who will lead the expert group for JDBC5. How do we expect to 
> influence the next rev of JDBC?
>
> 3) DRDA - Over the last year, I failed to get a Boolean datatype into 
> the DRDA spec. This stemmed from the internal dynamics and 
> pay-for-play nature of the spec's governing body, the DBIOP 
> Consortium. How do we expect to influence the DRDA spec?
>
> If there's a general solution which covers all of these cases, that's 
> great. If we handle each spec differently, that's fine too. I'd just 
> like some discussion and guidance.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick

Re: Influencing the standards which govern Derby

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

Rick Hillegas wrote:
> I wanted to summarize where I think this discussion stands now:
...
> 2) JDBC - Fortunately, the JDBC spec lead will continue to be a member
> of our community. In addition, individuals can join the JCP for free.
> See http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership.

Individuals can also get involved inside Apache -- details are at
http://www.apache.org/jcp/ .

 -jean