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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> on 2012/08/26 14:31:10 UTC
[WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
URL...
Could a redirection solve all this problems at once?
Regards
Ricardo
Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/8/26 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
>>> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
>>> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
>>> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
>>> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
>>>
>>> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
>>> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
>>> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
>>> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
>>> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
>>> URL...
>>>
>>
>> Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
>> content?
>
> Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and
> the forum.openoffice... addresses.
>
There are command line tools that can check this, but also anyone can
put a URL here:
http://www.webconfs.com/redirect-check.php
It is not showing any redirection.
>
> If so that is bad for Google. It could penalize the forums
>> in search results due to the "duplicate content penalty" (essentially
>> it looks spammy to have identical content at multiple different
>> URL's).
>>
>> See: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html
>>
>> The preferred way is to either:
>>
>> 1) Redirect from the old URL to the new URL
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2) Use the re="canonical" directive to ;et Google know what the
>> preferred URL is;
>> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
>>
>>
>>> Could a redirection solve all this problems at once?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/10/4 imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> On 2012/08/27 02:00, imacat said:
> > On 2012/08/27 00:15, Dave Fisher said:
> >> On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> >>> 2012/8/26 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> >>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
> >>>>> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
> >>>>> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
> >>>>> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
> >>>>> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
> >>>>> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
> >>>>> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
> >>>>> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
> >>>>> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
> >>>>> URL...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
> >>>> content?
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and
> >>> the forum.openoffice... addresses.
> >>
> >> I know what we need to do. We need to either:
> >>
> >> (1) Deploy Apache Traffic Server in front of the Forums on the
> ooo-forums VM. We have that on ooo-wiki which is why that redirection works
> better.
> >>
> >> (2) Modify the apache.conf on ooo-forums VM to do a permanent
> redirection.
> >
> > This part I'm planning. Not done yet because there is still problem
> > with forum session handling, and I'm still investigating. Any hint is
> > welcome.
>
> This is done, after solving the cookie problem. Sorry for taking so
> long. The forum is now fully on http://forum.openoffice.org/ .
>
> (It looks like I'm cleaning the task list. ^^; )
>
Great!!! Many thanks!
Regards
Ricardo
>
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Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:53 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> This is done, after solving the cookie problem. Sorry for taking so
> long. The forum is now fully on http://forum.openoffice.org/ .
Good! (:
Albino
Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/08/27 02:00, imacat said:
> On 2012/08/27 00:15, Dave Fisher said:
>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>>> 2012/8/26 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
>>>>> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
>>>>> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
>>>>> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
>>>>> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
>>>>> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
>>>>> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
>>>>> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
>>>>> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
>>>>> URL...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
>>>> content?
>>>
>>> Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and
>>> the forum.openoffice... addresses.
>>
>> I know what we need to do. We need to either:
>>
>> (1) Deploy Apache Traffic Server in front of the Forums on the ooo-forums VM. We have that on ooo-wiki which is why that redirection works better.
>>
>> (2) Modify the apache.conf on ooo-forums VM to do a permanent redirection.
>
> This part I'm planning. Not done yet because there is still problem
> with forum session handling, and I'm still investigating. Any hint is
> welcome.
This is done, after solving the cookie problem. Sorry for taking so
long. The forum is now fully on http://forum.openoffice.org/ .
(It looks like I'm cleaning the task list. ^^; )
--
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imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
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Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/08/27 00:15, Dave Fisher said:
>
> On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, RGB ES wrote:
>
>> 2012/8/26 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
>>>> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
>>>> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
>>>> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
>>>> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
>>>>
>>>> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
>>>> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
>>>> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
>>>> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
>>>> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
>>>> URL...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
>>> content?
>>
>> Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and
>> the forum.openoffice... addresses.
>
> I know what we need to do. We need to either:
>
> (1) Deploy Apache Traffic Server in front of the Forums on the ooo-forums VM. We have that on ooo-wiki which is why that redirection works better.
>
> (2) Modify the apache.conf on ooo-forums VM to do a permanent redirection.
This part I'm planning. Not done yet because there is still problem
with forum session handling, and I'm still investigating. Any hint is
welcome.
>
> There are probably actions the forum sysadmin needs to take.
>
> The runbooks for both ooo-wiki and ooo-forums need to be checked if they are fully up to date. TerryE's falling out with Infra was in part over Infra's understandable requirement that the runbooks be quickly consumable by anyone in text. He refused and so these are at risk.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>>
>> If so that is bad for Google. It could penalize the forums
>>> in search results due to the "duplicate content penalty" (essentially
>>> it looks spammy to have identical content at multiple different
>>> URL's).
>>>
>>> See: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html
>>>
>>> The preferred way is to either:
>>>
>>> 1) Redirect from the old URL to the new URL
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> 2) Use the re="canonical" directive to ;et Google know what the
>>> preferred URL is;
>>> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
>>>
>>>
>>>> Could a redirection solve all this problems at once?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ricardo
>
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Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/8/26 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
>>> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
>>> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
>>> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
>>> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
>>>
>>> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
>>> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
>>> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
>>> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
>>> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
>>> URL...
>>>
>>
>> Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
>> content?
>
> Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and
> the forum.openoffice... addresses.
I know what we need to do. We need to either:
(1) Deploy Apache Traffic Server in front of the Forums on the ooo-forums VM. We have that on ooo-wiki which is why that redirection works better.
(2) Modify the apache.conf on ooo-forums VM to do a permanent redirection.
There are probably actions the forum sysadmin needs to take.
The runbooks for both ooo-wiki and ooo-forums need to be checked if they are fully up to date. TerryE's falling out with Infra was in part over Infra's understandable requirement that the runbooks be quickly consumable by anyone in text. He refused and so these are at risk.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
> If so that is bad for Google. It could penalize the forums
>> in search results due to the "duplicate content penalty" (essentially
>> it looks spammy to have identical content at multiple different
>> URL's).
>>
>> See: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html
>>
>> The preferred way is to either:
>>
>> 1) Redirect from the old URL to the new URL
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2) Use the re="canonical" directive to ;et Google know what the
>> preferred URL is;
>> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
>>
>>
>>> Could a redirection solve all this problems at once?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/8/26 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
>> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
>> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
>> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
>> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
>>
>> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
>> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
>> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
>> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
>> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
>> URL...
>>
>
> Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
> content?
Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and
the forum.openoffice... addresses.
If so that is bad for Google. It could penalize the forums
> in search results due to the "duplicate content penalty" (essentially
> it looks spammy to have identical content at multiple different
> URL's).
>
> See: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html
>
> The preferred way is to either:
>
> 1) Redirect from the old URL to the new URL
>
> or
>
> 2) Use the re="canonical" directive to ;et Google know what the
> preferred URL is;
> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
>
>
>> Could a redirection solve all this problems at once?
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the
> new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported
> by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with
> only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with
> automatic log-in not working on the new URL.
>
> Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler
> bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the
> others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring
> the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for
> example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old
> URL...
>
Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same
content? If so that is bad for Google. It could penalize the forums
in search results due to the "duplicate content penalty" (essentially
it looks spammy to have identical content at multiple different
URL's).
See: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html
The preferred way is to either:
1) Redirect from the old URL to the new URL
or
2) Use the re="canonical" directive to ;et Google know what the
preferred URL is;
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
> Could a redirection solve all this problems at once?
>
> Regards
> Ricardo