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Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Would these projects please tidy up, following your graduation from
the Incubator.
abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
For example many still have remains on the "distribution" mirrors.
We know that some projects have only recently graduated, so will
not yet have done a release as a TLP. Therefore your old release
needs to stay there until that happens.
Here are some tips for post-graduation cleanup:
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Graduate
-David
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:39 AM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> Would these projects please tidy up, following your graduation from
> the Incubator.
>
> abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
>
> For example many still have remains on the "distribution" mirrors.
>
> We know that some projects have only recently graduated, so will
> not yet have done a release as a TLP. Therefore your old release
> needs to stay there until that happens.
Created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ESME-335 for ESME, which
should do its first TLP release soon.
-Bertrand
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
>> directory.
>
> Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
> http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
> http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
>
> The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
>
> So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
> of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
> save everything.
>
> I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
> to be copied to */dist/shiro/
> I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
That's probably a good idea. We can always point there if someone
needs an older release.
>> Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
>> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
>
> Okay according to Clutch.
>
> Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
> News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
Gotcha, we'll take a look into that.
> Congratulations.
Thanks! And thanks for the clarification.
Best,
--
Les Hazlewood
Founder, Katasoft, Inc.
Application Security Products & Professional Apache Shiro Support and Training:
http://www.katasoft.com
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Niall,
>
>>> [...]
>>> Dist is the active archive. The archive.apache.org is the "deep archive". Both should exist, and both should have a copy of the data.
>>>
>>
>> Dist isn't an archive - its a distribution area archive.apache.org is
>> the archive.
>
> I respectfully disagree.
:)
Well, then the best thing is to take it up on infra@ and persuade them
to change policy.
Niall
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>>
>> Niall
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Niall
>>>>
>>>>>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>>>>>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>>>>>
>>>>> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>>>>>> earlier: They link to
>>>>>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>>>>>> for old releases
>>>>>> and to
>>>>>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>>>>>> for the older incubator releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Niall,
>> [...]
>> Dist is the active archive. The archive.apache.org is the "deep archive". Both should exist, and both should have a copy of the data.
>>
>
> Dist isn't an archive - its a distribution area archive.apache.org is
> the archive.
I respectfully disagree.
Cheers,
Chris
>
> Niall
>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>>
>>> Niall
>>>
>>>>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>>>>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>>>>
>>>> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>>>>
>>>> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>>>>
>>>> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>>>>> earlier: They link to
>>>>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>>>>> for old releases
>>>>> and to
>>>>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>>>>> for the older incubator releases.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> "dist" is a distribution area - mirrored so that when people download
>> they usually end up on a mirror site. This spreads the load of people
>> downloading our software. Projects shouldn't be linking to specific
>> artifacts in the dist area - they should be linking to a download page
>> where links to mirrors are available.
>
> I know that. I wasn't suggesting they link to the direct actual artifacts via dist -- I was suggesting direct links via dyn/closer.cgi, per practice.
>
> Either way, those dyn/closer.cgi links are invalidated if we move them out of the dist area. I could have a release email (and have plenty of times in the past, and seen this in other projects) where they link to the dyn/closer.cgi for a particular release version. If we "clean" the dist area (the active archive), all those links are invalid in the mail archives.
>
> There is a concept of "active" archive, and "deep archive".
>
> Dist is the active archive. The archive.apache.org is the "deep archive". Both should exist, and both should have a copy of the data.
>
Dist isn't an archive - its a distribution area archive.apache.org is
the archive.
Niall
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>>
>> Niall
>>
>>>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>>>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>>>
>>> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>>>
>>> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>>>
>>> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>>>
>>> Gotcha.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>>>> earlier: They link to
>>>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>>>> for old releases
>>>> and to
>>>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>>>> for the older incubator releases.
>>>
>>> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>>>
>>> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
>
> "dist" is a distribution area - mirrored so that when people download
> they usually end up on a mirror site. This spreads the load of people
> downloading our software. Projects shouldn't be linking to specific
> artifacts in the dist area - they should be linking to a download page
> where links to mirrors are available.
I know that. I wasn't suggesting they link to the direct actual artifacts via dist -- I was suggesting direct links via dyn/closer.cgi, per practice.
Either way, those dyn/closer.cgi links are invalidated if we move them out of the dist area. I could have a release email (and have plenty of times in the past, and seen this in other projects) where they link to the dyn/closer.cgi for a particular release version. If we "clean" the dist area (the active archive), all those links are invalid in the mail archives.
There is a concept of "active" archive, and "deep archive".
Dist is the active archive. The archive.apache.org is the "deep archive". Both should exist, and both should have a copy of the data.
Cheers,
Chris
>
> Niall
>
>>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>>
>> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>>
>> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>>
>> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>>
>> Gotcha.
>>
>>>
>>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>>> earlier: They link to
>>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>>> for old releases
>>> and to
>>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>>> for the older incubator releases.
>>
>> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>>
>> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:56 PM, David Crossley wrote:
>
>> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>> Hmmm,
>>>
>>> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
>>
>> We are not deleting any archives.
>
> You're right, you're suggesting that it's good that we delete the original copy, the one that release announcements link to via email and the ones that folks may have permlinked as bookmarks, and the one that our own mail archives link to?
>
"dist" is a distribution area - mirrored so that when people download
they usually end up on a mirror site. This spreads the load of people
downloading our software. Projects shouldn't be linking to specific
artifacts in the dist area - they should be linking to a download page
where links to mirrors are available.
If every project linked directly to actual artifacts in the dist area
of the apache site then the whole mirroring to reduce the load on our
infrastructure is subverted.
The policy is to only keep the latest release in that *distribution*
area so that it doesn't grow too large. Any artifact that is put there
is automatically copied to the archive area. Those are the real
archives, not older release left hanging around in the *distribution*
area.
See http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html
Niall
>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>
> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>
> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>
> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>
>>
>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>
> Gotcha.
>
>>
>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>> earlier: They link to
>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>> for old releases
>> and to
>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>> for the older incubator releases.
>
> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>
> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
will do, I know Joe S. lurks here -- Joe -- do you get what I'm saying? Am I crazy? (don't answer that) ^_^
On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:08 PM, David Crossley wrote:
> I am just following current ASF practice.
>
> I agree with the importance of preserving archives
> and reliable links to past resources.
>
> Please take this up with ASF Infrastructure.
> This Incubator forum has too narrow scope.
>
> By the way, unrelated to my orginal post,
> ASF Infra is currently preparing to talk to all
> projects that have too much stuff in their w.a.o/dist/
> space.
>
> -David
>
> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>> David Crossley wrote:
>>
>>> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
>>>
>>> We are not deleting any archives.
>>
>> You're right, you're suggesting that it's good that we delete the original copy, the one that release announcements link to via email and the ones that folks may have permlinked as bookmarks, and the one that our own mail archives link to?
>>
>>>
>>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>>
>> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>>
>> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>>
>> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>>
>> Gotcha.
>>
>>>
>>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>>> earlier: They link to
>>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>>> for old releases
>>> and to
>>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>>> for the older incubator releases.
>>
>> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>>
>> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
I am just following current ASF practice.
I agree with the importance of preserving archives
and reliable links to past resources.
Please take this up with ASF Infrastructure.
This Incubator forum has too narrow scope.
By the way, unrelated to my orginal post,
ASF Infra is currently preparing to talk to all
projects that have too much stuff in their w.a.o/dist/
space.
-David
Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
>
> > Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >> Hmmm,
> >>
> >> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
> >
> > We are not deleting any archives.
>
> You're right, you're suggesting that it's good that we delete the original copy, the one that release announcements link to via email and the ones that folks may have permlinked as bookmarks, and the one that our own mail archives link to?
>
> >
> > Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
> > means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>
> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
>
> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
>
> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>
> >
> > Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
>
> Gotcha.
>
> >
> > I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
> > earlier: They link to
> > archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
> > for old releases
> > and to
> > archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
> > for the older incubator releases.
>
> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
>
> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:56 PM, David Crossley wrote:
> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>> Hmmm,
>>
>> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
>
> We are not deleting any archives.
You're right, you're suggesting that it's good that we delete the original copy, the one that release announcements link to via email and the ones that folks may have permlinked as bookmarks, and the one that our own mail archives link to?
>
> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here.
Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation. We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving and cataloging links.
The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.
>
> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
Gotcha.
>
> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
> earlier: They link to
> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
> for old releases
> and to
> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
> for the older incubator releases.
Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke on the site.
Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
We are not deleting any archives.
Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system.
I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
earlier: They link to
archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
for old releases
and to
archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
for the older incubator releases.
-David
> In my mind, it's perfectly acceptable to keep releases that are made in Incubator ville on the Incubator dist page -- that's not just a requirement for active Incubator projects, it should be true even when they graduate.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Les Hazlewood wrote:
> >>
> >> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
> >> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
> >> directory.
> >
> > Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
> > http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
> > http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
> >
> > The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
> >
> > So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
> > of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
> > save everything.
> >
> > I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
> > to be copied to */dist/shiro/
> > I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
> >
> >> Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
> >> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
> >
> > Okay according to Clutch.
> >
> > Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
> > News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
> >
> > Congratulations.
> >
> > -David
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Sebb,
>> Hmmm,
>>
>> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
>
> Yes, that's what it should do for non-current releases.
Sorry, wearing my NASA archive/preservation hat here, this is a huge gaping hole.
We make links available on releases, and those release URLs could be cataloged/pointed to from other sites. Apache provides sustainable infrastructure for releases, infrastructure that is highly available, and mirrored throughout the world.
Having a single copy backup of *all* releases as a long-term archive is a great thing and something *that should be in addition to* the "active archive" (the dist area for a project). Requiring that "non current" releases lose their permlinks that exist during release time (and again that people download or bookmark to their computers) in the "active archive" (their dist area) is not a best practice.
This is speaking from experience of archiving information that must exist for 10s of years. Software releases shouldn't be any different.
Cheers,
Chris
>
>> In my mind, it's perfectly acceptable to keep releases that are made in Incubator ville on the Incubator dist page -- that's not just a requirement for active Incubator projects, it should be true even when they graduate.
>
> The dist area should be for the current version(s) only.
>
> Once a new release has been out a short while, any superseded releases
> should be deleted from dist.
> The download page can point to archives.a.o for individual older
> releases, or can just contain a generic link to archive.a.o.
>
>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:34 PM, David Crossley wrote:
>>
>>> Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
>>>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
>>>> directory.
>>>
>>> Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
>>> http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
>>> http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
>>>
>>> The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
>>>
>>> So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
>>> of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
>>> save everything.
>>>
>>> I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
>>> to be copied to */dist/shiro/
>>> I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
>>>
>>>> Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
>>>> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
>>>
>>> Okay according to Clutch.
>>>
>>> Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
>>> News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
>>>
>>> Congratulations.
>>>
>>> -David
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 3 March 2011 03:19, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
Yes, that's what it should do for non-current releases.
> In my mind, it's perfectly acceptable to keep releases that are made in Incubator ville on the Incubator dist page -- that's not just a requirement for active Incubator projects, it should be true even when they graduate.
The dist area should be for the current version(s) only.
Once a new release has been out a short while, any superseded releases
should be deleted from dist.
The download page can point to archives.a.o for individual older
releases, or can just contain a generic link to archive.a.o.
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:34 PM, David Crossley wrote:
>
>> Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>
>>> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
>>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
>>> directory.
>>
>> Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
>> http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
>> http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
>>
>> The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
>>
>> So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
>> of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
>> save everything.
>>
>> I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
>> to be copied to */dist/shiro/
>> I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
>>
>>> Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
>>> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
>>
>> Okay according to Clutch.
>>
>> Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
>> News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
>>
>> Congratulations.
>>
>> -David
>>
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hmmm,
I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could just point to the archives?
In my mind, it's perfectly acceptable to keep releases that are made in Incubator ville on the Incubator dist page -- that's not just a requirement for active Incubator projects, it should be true even when they graduate.
Cheers,
Chris
On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:34 PM, David Crossley wrote:
> Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
>> directory.
>
> Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
> http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
> http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
>
> The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
>
> So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
> of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
> save everything.
>
> I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
> to be copied to */dist/shiro/
> I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
>
>> Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
>> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
>
> Okay according to Clutch.
>
> Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
> News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
>
> Congratulations.
>
> -David
>
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
> directory.
Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
save everything.
I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
to be copied to */dist/shiro/
I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
> Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
Okay according to Clutch.
Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
Congratulations.
-David
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Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> For example many still have remains on the "distribution" mirrors.
>
> We know that some projects have only recently graduated, so will
> not yet have done a release as a TLP. Therefore your old release
> needs to stay there until that happens.
>
> Here are some tips for post-graduation cleanup:
> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Graduate
Hi David.
For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
/www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
directory. Is there anything else required for Shiro? Aside from
this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
Thanks,
--
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Fwd: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
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Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
FWIW
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 07:39
Subject: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Would these projects please tidy up, following your graduation from
the Incubator.
abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
For example many still have remains on the "distribution" mirrors.
We know that some projects have only recently graduated, so will
not yet have done a release as a TLP. Therefore your old release
needs to stay there until that happens.
Here are some tips for post-graduation cleanup:
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Graduate
-David
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Re: Fwd: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Posted by Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com>.
On 3/2/2011 4:48 AM, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> Hi guys,
> from this thread on general@ it seems we still need to tidy up something
> from our TLP graduation.
> Tommaso
I think the main thing we need to do is to wait until we've released uima-as and
the add-ons as a top level project - that hasn't happened yet :-) ...
-Marshall
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>
> Date: 2011/3/2
> Subject: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
> esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> Would these projects please tidy up, following your graduation from
> the Incubator.
>
> abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
>
> For example many still have remains on the "distribution" mirrors.
>
> We know that some projects have only recently graduated, so will
> not yet have done a release as a TLP. Therefore your old release
> needs to stay there until that happens.
>
> Here are some tips for post-graduation cleanup:
> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Graduate
>
> -David
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Fwd: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys,
from this thread on general@ it seems we still need to tidy up something
from our TLP graduation.
Tommaso
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From: David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>
Date: 2011/3/2
Subject: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry
esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Would these projects please tidy up, following your graduation from
the Incubator.
abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
For example many still have remains on the "distribution" mirrors.
We know that some projects have only recently graduated, so will
not yet have done a release as a TLP. Therefore your old release
needs to stay there until that happens.
Here are some tips for post-graduation cleanup:
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Graduate
-David
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