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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com> on 2022/07/11 16:52:12 UTC
Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be considered
active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5 years now.)
The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities with
barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model for a good
Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
"Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
PROPOSAL:
I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio. After
that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains the project
could simply be retired. However, if something significant does remain and
someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they could initiate a new
ASF project to house the remaining parts and have the new project adopt
those interesting bits.
Thoughts?
Ray
[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
Re: Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Agree. As soon as we fond good Host projects for the different part, it's
ok for me.
Regards
JB
Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 18:52, Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com> a
écrit :
> The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
> maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be considered
> active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5 years now.)
>
> The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
> deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
> blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
> identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities with
> barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model for a good
> Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
>
> And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
> "Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
>
> PROPOSAL:
> I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
> would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio. After
> that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains the project
> could simply be retired. However, if something significant does remain and
> someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they could initiate a new
> ASF project to house the remaining parts and have the new project adopt
> those interesting bits.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ray
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
>
>
Re: Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Mea culpa, so let's write it for october on my side ;)
Romain Manni-Bucau
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Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 19:03, Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com> a
écrit :
> Thanks for your feedback Romain, but if you read carefully what I wrote, I
> exactly suggested doing the adoption process before doing any retirement.
>
> I'm glad you agree with that part.
>
> Ray
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 1:00 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Raymond,
>>
>> Guess before retiring we should find a home for all residents (Geronimo
>> by itself is not dead and we have several subprojects which should stay
>> somewhere) so -1 as of today even if I agree with most of what you said and
>> the high level idea behind.
>>
>> My blind guess is that we should at least await october for such a work
>> since it will be summer holidays then september rush but we should probably
>> plan to tackle that topic at that time - can be a board report point
>> thinking out loud.
>>
>> Hope it makes sense.
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
>> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github
>> <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
>> <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance>
>>
>>
>> Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 18:52, Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
>>> maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be considered
>>> active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5 years now.)
>>>
>>> The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
>>> deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
>>> blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
>>> identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities with
>>> barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model for a good
>>> Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
>>>
>>> And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
>>> "Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
>>>
>>> PROPOSAL:
>>> I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
>>> would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio. After
>>> that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains the project
>>> could simply be retired. However, if something significant does remain and
>>> someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they could initiate a new
>>> ASF project to house the remaining parts and have the new project adopt
>>> those interesting bits.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
>>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> *Raymond Augé* (@rotty3000)
> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* (@Liferay)
> OSGi Fellow, Java Champion
>
Re: Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
Posted by Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com>.
Thanks for your feedback Romain, but if you read carefully what I wrote, I
exactly suggested doing the adoption process before doing any retirement.
I'm glad you agree with that part.
Ray
On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 1:00 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Raymond,
>
> Guess before retiring we should find a home for all residents (Geronimo by
> itself is not dead and we have several subprojects which should stay
> somewhere) so -1 as of today even if I agree with most of what you said and
> the high level idea behind.
>
> My blind guess is that we should at least await october for such a work
> since it will be summer holidays then september rush but we should probably
> plan to tackle that topic at that time - can be a board report point
> thinking out loud.
>
> Hope it makes sense.
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github
> <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
> <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance>
>
>
> Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 18:52, Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
>> maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be considered
>> active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5 years now.)
>>
>> The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
>> deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
>> blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
>> identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities with
>> barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model for a good
>> Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
>>
>> And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
>> "Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
>>
>> PROPOSAL:
>> I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
>> would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio. After
>> that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains the project
>> could simply be retired. However, if something significant does remain and
>> someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they could initiate a new
>> ASF project to house the remaining parts and have the new project adopt
>> those interesting bits.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
>>
>>
--
*Raymond Augé* (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* (@Liferay)
OSGi Fellow, Java Champion
Re: Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Raymond,
Guess before retiring we should find a home for all residents (Geronimo by
itself is not dead and we have several subprojects which should stay
somewhere) so -1 as of today even if I agree with most of what you said and
the high level idea behind.
My blind guess is that we should at least await october for such a work
since it will be summer holidays then september rush but we should probably
plan to tackle that topic at that time - can be a board report point
thinking out loud.
Hope it makes sense.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
<https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance>
Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 18:52, Raymond Augé <ra...@liferay.com> a
écrit :
> The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
> maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be considered
> active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5 years now.)
>
> The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
> deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
> blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
> identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities with
> barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model for a good
> Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
>
> And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
> "Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
>
> PROPOSAL:
> I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
> would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio. After
> that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains the project
> could simply be retired. However, if something significant does remain and
> someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they could initiate a new
> ASF project to house the remaining parts and have the new project adopt
> those interesting bits.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ray
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
>
>
Re: Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
Posted by Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <je...@gmail.com>.
Let's push that conversation for October. There is activity for now and no
real issue to rush it.
A lot of people are going in and out for summer time.
Le dim. 17 juil. 2022, 08:18, Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>
a écrit :
> +1 for retiring the main project and finding hosts for sub projects.
>
> regards,
>
> François
>
> On 11/07/2022 18:52, Raymond Augé wrote:
> > The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
> > maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be
> > considered active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5
> > years now.)
> >
> > The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
> > deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
> > blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
> > identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities
> > with barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model
> > for a good Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
> >
> > And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
> > "Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
> >
> > PROPOSAL:
> > I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
> > would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio.
> > After that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains
> > the project could simply be retired. However, if something significant
> > does remain and someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they
> > could initiate a new ASF project to house the remaining parts and have
> > the new project adopt those interesting bits.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
> > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
> >
>
Re: Proposal: Retiring the Geronimo Project
Posted by Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>.
+1 for retiring the main project and finding hosts for sub projects.
regards,
François
On 11/07/2022 18:52, Raymond Augé wrote:
> The "Geronimo" project is getting long in the tooth and has very few
> maintainers. It's been teetering on the edge of what could be
> considered active ever since I've been involved (I believe more than 5
> years now.)
>
> The project has seen many parts of its portfolio go unmaintained or
> deprecated. We've seen other projects adopt parts (with this project's
> blessing [1]). I would also argue this project seems to have lost its
> identity and is now some sort of mishmash of libraries and utilities
> with barely related aspects which I don't believe is really the model
> for a good Open Source Apache project to bank a future on.
>
> And now, we really should make an effort to settle the issue of
> "Native"-themed mascotry which was raised again most recently here [2].
>
> PROPOSAL:
> I would like to propose we attempt to find any other ASF projects that
> would be willing to take over interesting parts of the portfolio.
> After that is exhausted, if nothing significant of interest remains
> the project could simply be retired. However, if something significant
> does remain and someone speaks up about wanting to maintain it, they
> could initiate a new ASF project to house the remaining parts and have
> the new project adopt those interesting bits.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ray
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sdny91l920o2lnl58sj5wy577k39fhsz
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/bd8s3knj2541275rbdnx2718h0y8qhrj
>