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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> on 2022/05/05 06:51:56 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Thanks Tison and Yun for sharing your opinions.
@Tison,
Keep both a potential out-of-date table and a link to the up-to-date list
sounds good to me. We can also add a notice about the page being
potentially out-of-date.
@Yun,
- I'm not sure about using someone's github avatar *by default*. I think we
should at least get permission from that person, which IMO makes little
difference than asking that person to update the website.
- Adding a reminder in the invitation letter sounds good. However, I'm not
sure whether we have such a place holding the template of an
invitation letter. It seems to me most PMC members would just randomly pick
a previous invitation letter from the mailing list archive and replace the
name.
- Adding a notice on the website definitely makes sense. We can also link
to the up-to-date list in that notice.
Thank you~
Xintong Song
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:59 PM Yun Tang <my...@live.com> wrote:
> Hi Xintong,
>
>
> +1 to add a link for the full member information.
>
> And I think the avatars are very friendly for website viewers. The lazy
> update might be caused by the invitation letter to new committer/PMC do not
> have such hint to tell them to update the website.
> If we can:
>
> 1. Manually update the information on the website if someone voluntary,
> we can use the avatars from the github account by default.
> 2. Add such reminder information in the invitation letters.
> 3. Add descriptions in the website to tell viewers that the information
> might not be up-to-date.
>
> I think this looks like a better solution.
>
> Best
> Yun Tang
> ________________________________
> From: tison <wa...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 21:52
> To: dev <de...@flink.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
>
> Hi Xintong,
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion.
>
> +0 to replace the information with link to
> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink.
> +1 to add such a link.
>
> My opinion is that we the community doesn't have to keep the page up to
> date since Apache has a member page[1]
> that isn't up to date also.
>
> We can add one line to redirect to the whole list so that those who are
> "lazy" to add themselves on the page
> don't have to do it. And keep the table so that those who are proud to
> announce their membership or trying a commit
> with their commit access can do.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
>
>
> Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月28日周四 21:26写道：
>
> > >
> > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> > >
> >
> > Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
> >
> >
> > Thank you~
> >
> > Xintong Song
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Jingsong
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in
> the
> > > > first place.
> > > >
> > > > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> > > > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website
> [1]
> > is
> > > > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
> > > currently
> > > > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's
> only
> > > 62
> > > > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated
> > roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each
> > new
> > > > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested
> > new
> > > > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out
> for
> > > > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> > > > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you~
> > > > >
> > > > > Xintong Song
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
> > > > >
> > > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com>.
FYI, I've created FLINK-27514 to add the notice and link.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-27514
Thank you~
Xintong Song
On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 2:51 PM Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Tison and Yun for sharing your opinions.
>
> @Tison,
> Keep both a potential out-of-date table and a link to the up-to-date list
> sounds good to me. We can also add a notice about the page being
> potentially out-of-date.
>
> @Yun,
> - I'm not sure about using someone's github avatar *by default*. I think
> we should at least get permission from that person, which IMO makes little
> difference than asking that person to update the website.
> - Adding a reminder in the invitation letter sounds good. However, I'm not
> sure whether we have such a place holding the template of an
> invitation letter. It seems to me most PMC members would just randomly pick
> a previous invitation letter from the mailing list archive and replace the
> name.
> - Adding a notice on the website definitely makes sense. We can also link
> to the up-to-date list in that notice.
>
>
> Thank you~
>
> Xintong Song
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:59 PM Yun Tang <my...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Xintong,
>>
>>
>> +1 to add a link for the full member information.
>>
>> And I think the avatars are very friendly for website viewers. The lazy
>> update might be caused by the invitation letter to new committer/PMC do not
>> have such hint to tell them to update the website.
>> If we can:
>>
>> 1. Manually update the information on the website if someone
>> voluntary, we can use the avatars from the github account by default.
>> 2. Add such reminder information in the invitation letters.
>> 3. Add descriptions in the website to tell viewers that the
>> information might not be up-to-date.
>>
>> I think this looks like a better solution.
>>
>> Best
>> Yun Tang
>> ________________________________
>> From: tison <wa...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 21:52
>> To: dev <de...@flink.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
>>
>> Hi Xintong,
>>
>> Thanks for starting this discussion.
>>
>> +0 to replace the information with link to
>> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink.
>> +1 to add such a link.
>>
>> My opinion is that we the community doesn't have to keep the page up to
>> date since Apache has a member page[1]
>> that isn't up to date also.
>>
>> We can add one line to redirect to the whole list so that those who are
>> "lazy" to add themselves on the page
>> don't have to do it. And keep the table so that those who are proud to
>> announce their membership or trying a commit
>> with their commit access can do.
>>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
>>
>>
>> Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月28日周四 21:26写道：
>>
>> > >
>> > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
>> > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you~
>> >
>> > Xintong Song
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Jingsong
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
>> > > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in
>> the
>> > > > first place.
>> > > >
>> > > > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
>> > > > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website
>> [1]
>> > is
>> > > > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
>> > > currently
>> > > > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's
>> only
>> > > 62
>> > > > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated
>> > roles.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by
>> each
>> > new
>> > > > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that
>> suggested
>> > new
>> > > > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out
>> for
>> > > > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
>> > > > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you~
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Xintong Song
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>