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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> on 2008/12/23 23:47:30 UTC
Risk of orphanage (was: [VOTE] Accept Cassandra into the Incubator)
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Ian Holsman <li...@holsman.net> wrote:
> * Cassandra is already deployed within Facebook and many other organizations
> are actively moving to deploy this in production. Original developers
> are and will actively stay involved and hence there is no realistic chance
> of it getting orphaned.
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> * Yes. But don't expect this to be a risk of any nature.
The whole problem with the original project, and the reason why it
ends up at The ASF is that the current developers (i.e. the facebook
devs) are *not* active, not responsive and not prone to open
development. I'd argue that this is a *serious* risk for incubation.
This is not something to take lightly IMO.
The fact that this is a risk should be reflected in the proposal, but
might not be of influence on the actual votes. The fact that you
acknowledge the risk of becoming a fork, or having to continue without
the original developers will help the Incubator folks and more
specifically your mentors in providing guidance into becoming an open,
healthy community.
Martijn
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Re: Risk of orphanage (was: [VOTE] Accept Cassandra into the Incubator)
Posted by Ian Holsman <li...@holsman.net>.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Ian Holsman <li...@holsman.net> wrote:
>
>> * Cassandra is already deployed within Facebook and many other organizations
>> are actively moving to deploy this in production. Original developers
>> are and will actively stay involved and hence there is no realistic chance
>> of it getting orphaned.
>>
>
>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> * Yes. But don't expect this to be a risk of any nature.
>>
>
> The whole problem with the original project, and the reason why it
> ends up at The ASF is that the current developers (i.e. the facebook
> devs) are *not* active, not responsive and not prone to open
> development. I'd argue that this is a *serious* risk for incubation.
>
> This is not something to take lightly IMO.
>
> The fact that this is a risk should be reflected in the proposal, but
> might not be of influence on the actual votes. The fact that you
> acknowledge the risk of becoming a fork, or having to continue without
> the original developers will help the Incubator folks and more
> specifically your mentors in providing guidance into becoming an open,
> healthy community.
>
You raise valid concerns Martijn.
Personally that is why I think incubation is the best thing for this
project, as Apache's community building process is one of the best out
there. and why I think one of the key incubator exit criteria for the
project will be an established and vibrant community.
> Martijn
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Re: Risk of orphanage (was: [VOTE] Accept Cassandra into the Incubator)
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Martijn Dashorst
<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The whole problem with the original project, and the reason why it
> ends up at The ASF is that the current developers (i.e. the facebook
> devs) are *not* active, not responsive and not prone to open
> development. I'd argue that this is a *serious* risk for incubation.
>
> This is not something to take lightly IMO.
I share Martijn's concern...
I also think that the proposal is a bit "thin", compared to many others.
And running the vote over Christmas is perhaps a bit much as well.
Cheers
Niclas
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