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Posted to dev@qpid.apache.org by Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com> on 2006/11/21 12:03:47 UTC
Maven feedback fyi
Hi All,
FYI I've asked the Geronimo, MINA and Tapestry team to give us some feedback
on their experiences with maven. Copied the text below.
I'll post their responses (in summary) once they get back to me.
Just want to do a quick (random) straw poll before we get too much further.
Marnie
Hi All,
I work on the Apache Incubator project Qpid. We are currently mid transition
to maven for build/release.
We've encountered a few issues along the way (snapshots, directory
structures etc). I wondered if you could give me some feedback on your
project's experiences with maven please ? Would you recommend it for use ?
Thanks in advance,
Marnie
Re: Maven feedback fyi
Posted by Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Steve,
I've had mixed reports about maven from other teams/projects I've worked on.
Some of them found/find it quite constraining and overly complex for simply
getting a build/release package. I can't see the harm in asking other teams
on Apache what they think.
I will post all feedback, good/bad/indifferent - and hadn't intended to
imply otherwise, and haven't suggested distrust.
I'm not playing games and have been neither insulting nor divisive in my
postings.
Tired of being flamed :-(
Marnie
On 11/22/06, Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
>
> > I'm quite happy with the phrasing thanks :-)
>
> I'm not. It's divisive and somewhat insulting.
>
> > I'm simply trying to get some independent feedback.
>
> Why? Independent of what?
>
> > Not posting any further on this thread until I have some feedback
> > to share,
> > hopefully positive.
>
> And what if you don't consider any feedback you get as being
> positive? Are you implying that you're then going to revert the
> entire trunk back to ant? That's why I find your message divisive and
> insulting -- it implies a significant level of distrust of your
> fellow Qpid committers.
>
> If you have issues with maven, it would be much more in the spirit of
> fostering a non-dysfunctional Qpid dev community to share them here,
> rather than implying that you're unhappy with maven, not telling us
> why, and then attempting to back your claims by using a poll to find
> other like-minded individuals from outside this project.
>
> So let's stop with the games and be honest: what don't you like about
> maven, and why?
>
> --steve
>
> >
> > Marnie
> >
> >
> > On 11/22/06, John O'Hara <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Perhaps poorly phrased by Marnie.
> >>
> >> My view is that we're collectively committed to Maven.
> >>
> >> Also, no matter how much experience some of us have on Maven, its
> >> always
> >> worthwhile getting a bit more :o)
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On 21/11/06, Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 21, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi All,
> >> > >
> >> > > FYI I've asked the Geronimo, MINA and Tapestry team to give us
> >> some
> >> > > feedback
> >> > > on their experiences with maven. Copied the text below.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll post their responses (in summary) once they get back to me.
> >> > >
> >> > > Just want to do a quick (random) straw poll before we get too
> >> much
> >> > > further.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, but this is really annoying. So I guess the experiences of
> >> > those of us already working on Qpid who have successfully used
> >> maven
> >> > before don't count for anything? I guess all the explanations
> >> for why
> >> > moving to maven is A Good Thing™ that Dan Kulp and I have provided
> >> > over the past few weeks don't count for anything?
> >> >
> >> > Sheesh.
> >> >
> >> > Why the second guessing? I really don't get it.
> >> >
> >> > --steve
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Marnie
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi All,
> >> > >
> >> > > I work on the Apache Incubator project Qpid. We are currently mid
> >> > > transition
> >> > > to maven for build/release.
> >> > >
> >> > > We've encountered a few issues along the way (snapshots,
> >> directory
> >> > > structures etc). I wondered if you could give me some feedback
> >> on your
> >> > > project's experiences with maven please ? Would you recommend it
> >> > > for use ?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks in advance,
> >> > > Marnie
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Maven feedback fyi
Posted by Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com>.
On Nov 22, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
> I'm quite happy with the phrasing thanks :-)
I'm not. It's divisive and somewhat insulting.
> I'm simply trying to get some independent feedback.
Why? Independent of what?
> Not posting any further on this thread until I have some feedback
> to share,
> hopefully positive.
And what if you don't consider any feedback you get as being
positive? Are you implying that you're then going to revert the
entire trunk back to ant? That's why I find your message divisive and
insulting -- it implies a significant level of distrust of your
fellow Qpid committers.
If you have issues with maven, it would be much more in the spirit of
fostering a non-dysfunctional Qpid dev community to share them here,
rather than implying that you're unhappy with maven, not telling us
why, and then attempting to back your claims by using a poll to find
other like-minded individuals from outside this project.
So let's stop with the games and be honest: what don't you like about
maven, and why?
--steve
>
> Marnie
>
>
> On 11/22/06, John O'Hara <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps poorly phrased by Marnie.
>>
>> My view is that we're collectively committed to Maven.
>>
>> Also, no matter how much experience some of us have on Maven, its
>> always
>> worthwhile getting a bit more :o)
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 21/11/06, Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 21, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > FYI I've asked the Geronimo, MINA and Tapestry team to give us
>> some
>> > > feedback
>> > > on their experiences with maven. Copied the text below.
>> > >
>> > > I'll post their responses (in summary) once they get back to me.
>> > >
>> > > Just want to do a quick (random) straw poll before we get too
>> much
>> > > further.
>> >
>> > Sorry, but this is really annoying. So I guess the experiences of
>> > those of us already working on Qpid who have successfully used
>> maven
>> > before don't count for anything? I guess all the explanations
>> for why
>> > moving to maven is A Good Thing™ that Dan Kulp and I have provided
>> > over the past few weeks don't count for anything?
>> >
>> > Sheesh.
>> >
>> > Why the second guessing? I really don't get it.
>> >
>> > --steve
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Marnie
>> > >
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > I work on the Apache Incubator project Qpid. We are currently mid
>> > > transition
>> > > to maven for build/release.
>> > >
>> > > We've encountered a few issues along the way (snapshots,
>> directory
>> > > structures etc). I wondered if you could give me some feedback
>> on your
>> > > project's experiences with maven please ? Would you recommend it
>> > > for use ?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance,
>> > > Marnie
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
Re: Maven feedback fyi
Posted by Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com>.
I'm quite happy with the phrasing thanks :-)
I'm simply trying to get some independent feedback.
Not posting any further on this thread until I have some feedback to share,
hopefully positive.
Marnie
On 11/22/06, John O'Hara <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps poorly phrased by Marnie.
>
> My view is that we're collectively committed to Maven.
>
> Also, no matter how much experience some of us have on Maven, its always
> worthwhile getting a bit more :o)
>
> John
>
> On 21/11/06, Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > FYI I've asked the Geronimo, MINA and Tapestry team to give us some
> > > feedback
> > > on their experiences with maven. Copied the text below.
> > >
> > > I'll post their responses (in summary) once they get back to me.
> > >
> > > Just want to do a quick (random) straw poll before we get too much
> > > further.
> >
> > Sorry, but this is really annoying. So I guess the experiences of
> > those of us already working on Qpid who have successfully used maven
> > before don't count for anything? I guess all the explanations for why
> > moving to maven is A Good Thing™ that Dan Kulp and I have provided
> > over the past few weeks don't count for anything?
> >
> > Sheesh.
> >
> > Why the second guessing? I really don't get it.
> >
> > --steve
> >
> > >
> > > Marnie
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I work on the Apache Incubator project Qpid. We are currently mid
> > > transition
> > > to maven for build/release.
> > >
> > > We've encountered a few issues along the way (snapshots, directory
> > > structures etc). I wondered if you could give me some feedback on your
> > > project's experiences with maven please ? Would you recommend it
> > > for use ?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Marnie
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Maven feedback fyi
Posted by John O'Hara <jo...@gmail.com>.
Perhaps poorly phrased by Marnie.
My view is that we're collectively committed to Maven.
Also, no matter how much experience some of us have on Maven, its always
worthwhile getting a bit more :o)
John
On 21/11/06, Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > FYI I've asked the Geronimo, MINA and Tapestry team to give us some
> > feedback
> > on their experiences with maven. Copied the text below.
> >
> > I'll post their responses (in summary) once they get back to me.
> >
> > Just want to do a quick (random) straw poll before we get too much
> > further.
>
> Sorry, but this is really annoying. So I guess the experiences of
> those of us already working on Qpid who have successfully used maven
> before don't count for anything? I guess all the explanations for why
> moving to maven is A Good Thing™ that Dan Kulp and I have provided
> over the past few weeks don't count for anything?
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Why the second guessing? I really don't get it.
>
> --steve
>
> >
> > Marnie
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I work on the Apache Incubator project Qpid. We are currently mid
> > transition
> > to maven for build/release.
> >
> > We've encountered a few issues along the way (snapshots, directory
> > structures etc). I wondered if you could give me some feedback on your
> > project's experiences with maven please ? Would you recommend it
> > for use ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Marnie
>
>
Re: Maven feedback fyi
Posted by Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com>.
On Nov 21, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> FYI I've asked the Geronimo, MINA and Tapestry team to give us some
> feedback
> on their experiences with maven. Copied the text below.
>
> I'll post their responses (in summary) once they get back to me.
>
> Just want to do a quick (random) straw poll before we get too much
> further.
Sorry, but this is really annoying. So I guess the experiences of
those of us already working on Qpid who have successfully used maven
before don't count for anything? I guess all the explanations for why
moving to maven is A Good Thing™ that Dan Kulp and I have provided
over the past few weeks don't count for anything?
Sheesh.
Why the second guessing? I really don't get it.
--steve
>
> Marnie
>
> Hi All,
>
> I work on the Apache Incubator project Qpid. We are currently mid
> transition
> to maven for build/release.
>
> We've encountered a few issues along the way (snapshots, directory
> structures etc). I wondered if you could give me some feedback on your
> project's experiences with maven please ? Would you recommend it
> for use ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Marnie