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Posted to issues@openoffice.apache.org by bu...@apache.org on 2012/09/26 08:13:48 UTC

[Bug 121102] New: Remove default document page boundary

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121102

          Priority: P3
            Bug ID: 121102
                CC: ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org
          Assignee: uineedsconfirm@ui.openoffice.org
           Summary: Remove default document page boundary
          Severity: normal
        Issue Type: DEFECT
    Classification: Code
                OS: All
          Reporter: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
          Hardware: All
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
           Version: AOO 3.4.1
         Component: ui
           Product: ui

The page boundary does not add value to the document editing experience. To
reduce visual noise, and help the uesr focus on their content, please remove
the page boundary all together, or implement the Symphony approach of page
boundary corners only.

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121102

Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de> ---
Please notice the discussion in LibreOffice. They had removed the text
boundaries and got a lot of complaints. Current state there is, to show the
complete text boundaries, when "show non-printing characters" is on, and show
corner marks, when it is off.
See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46073 and its duplicates and
the discussion on mailing list and in forum.

I personally want to see the complete boundaries every-time and would not like,
when AOO removes them.

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com> changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com> ---
ALG: Adding myself to CC.

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> ---
Yes, this is a controversial issue that should be discussed better on the
mailing list before any code is written.

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> changed:

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           Keywords|                            |usability
         Issue Type|DEFECT                      |ENHANCEMENT

--- Comment #1 from Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> ---
kg.oo_workitem

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[Bug 121102] UX Design Exploration - Document page boundary

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Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> changed:

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         Issue Type|ENHANCEMENT                 |TASK
            Summary|Remove default document     |UX Design Exploration -
                   |page boundary               |Document page boundary

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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--- Comment #7 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org> ---
(In reply to comment #6)k on the contrast.
> Heck the user  could even select the stroke colour if so desired.

This is already possible: Tools - Options - OpenOffice.org - Appearance -
General - Text boundaries

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org> changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org> ---
+1 to discussing this issue in public, ideally starting on the user's mailing
list.

There was some early advice from a user not to follow this controversial path,
taking LO users reaction into account; please see
http://markmail.org/message/sotmot7ktxm6kvlh

Personally, I too think that the default should be to leave it as it is.

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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--- Comment #6 from Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> ---
I've read the LibreOffice threads and have a better understanding of the issues
and concerns.

I still maintain my original UX feedback that the page frame adds noise. In
addition, the current stroke color is rather dark, and can make it difficult to
see the text location indicator, perhaps we could work on the contrast.

As for a solution, I feel that we could we could provide display preferences
for no frame, corners only (a la Symphony), or full frame. Heck the user could
even select the stroke colour if so desired.

To support smart object layout when the page frame is not in full frame mode,
we could display the frame on demand, when an object being positioned comes in
contact with the frame. More broadly, we need smart guides for all possible
intersections.

I'll move the discussion to the mailing list.

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[Bug 121102] Remove default document page boundary

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--- Comment #8 from Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> ---
Great, less work.

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