Re: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

[Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>]

Since being tasked as chair, I've seen no activity. There was
an email from Bill regarding 2 "outstanding" iCLAs, but the response
from one of the "committers" was less than optimistic.

That's it. No Emails on dev@ or private@, no code activities,
really no evidence at all of "renewed" interest/health/activity
in stdcxx land.

Am I wrong?

Re: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

["William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>]

On 5/16/2012 1:08 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> 
> On May 16, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Travis Vitek
>> <Tr...@roguewave.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am going to ask the following questions in the open. Perhaps this
>>>> way I will get an answer:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Apparently, "Bill's emails" were sent and replied to on the private
>>>> list. I have not received any of them, although I am on the private
>>>> list. Or at least, I was on the private list as recently as late
>>>> March. Is this a case of mailing list malfunction? If that is the
>>>> case, it should be fixed.
>>>
>>> The e-mails regarding the ICLAs were sent to the @private list on 5/1.
>>
>> Well, yes I got that. My problem is that I no longer receive emails
>> from @private. I used to, until about end of March/first week of
>> April. I even sent a bunch of emails to @private. If this is a
>> @private mailing list problem, I'm asking that it be fixed. The ASF
>> instructions about the @private mailing list states "contact your
>> PMC".  So, here I am, contacting the stdcxx PMC about @private. I
>> would appreciate an answer.
> 
> I defer to Bill (Bill Rowe, that is) regarding whether he is willing
> to share his emails.

Every PMC member should have access to the archives at
https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/stdcxx-private/
simply using your user/pass as with subversion.  I don't but that might
be because I'm a member and not a committer?

https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/stdcxx-private/
works for all ASF members and I'm seeing the archives, so the earlier
link should still work.

Re: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

[Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>]

On May 16, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stefan Teleman wrote:

> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Travis Vitek
> <Tr...@roguewave.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am going to ask the following questions in the open. Perhaps this
>>> way I will get an answer:
>>> 
>>> 1. Apparently, "Bill's emails" were sent and replied to on the private
>>> list. I have not received any of them, although I am on the private
>>> list. Or at least, I was on the private list as recently as late
>>> March. Is this a case of mailing list malfunction? If that is the
>>> case, it should be fixed.
>> 
>> The e-mails regarding the ICLAs were sent to the @private list on 5/1.
> 
> Well, yes I got that. My problem is that I no longer receive emails
> from @private. I used to, until about end of March/first week of
> April. I even sent a bunch of emails to @private. If this is a
> @private mailing list problem, I'm asking that it be fixed. The ASF
> instructions about the @private mailing list states "contact your
> PMC".  So, here I am, contacting the stdcxx PMC about @private. I
> would appreciate an answer.

I defer to Bill (Bill Rowe, that is) regarding whether he is willing
to share his emails.

> 
> 
>>> 3. There was a recent and important PMC change at stdcxx.
>>> Congratulations to Jim Jagielski for his new role as PMC Chair. Again,
>>> I learned of this change yesterday, and that only from Jim's email. I
>>> haven't received any notification about Jim's appointment prior to
>>> yesterday, although, to be fair, I knew about it at the beginning of
>>> May, because I read the ASF Board Minutes. Again, why wasn't there any
>>> notification of this change?
>> 
>> I read about it in the e-mail entitled 'ASF Board Meeting Summary - April 18, 2012'. I don't normally read the meeting minutes, but I figured something was coming given the kerfuffle over the lack of a March status report (all of which was discussed on the @private list).
> 
> Yes, I think that's how I learned about it too. But I generally don't
> read Board Minutes, so the fact that I learned about this change was
> entirely by accident.
> 

Doug submitted his notice to the PMC directly. In general, the
Chair is a PMC-related issue and should have no impact on the
dev community at all.

> I also believe that having a sudden PMC Chair change is an important
> enough event that it warrants an email sent to dev@, announcing the
> change. A three line email announcing the change isn't really that
> much to ask of the ASF Board. In my experience, and generally
> speaking, developers like knowing who is the new Boss.
> 
>>> 4. The nightly build emails, which had restarted towards the end of
>>> February/beginning of March, have stopped. Why is that?
>> 
>> It looks like the February builds were kicked off manually by Farid. I'm not sure if the build system is configured to poll svn automatically or not, but the last submit to stdcxx was on 2/20, so there has been no need to do any builds since that time.
> 
> Ah, OK. ISTR an email from Farid about some kind of move of the
> nightly build infrastructure, and some problems with the builds as a
> result of this move, but I don't remember the details right now.
> 
> Lastly, I have attached a patch for stdcxx-1058. I'd appreciate a
> review, so I can commit the fix.
> 
> I have a bunch of more fixes and patches, but given that everyone is
> busy, I'd rather submit the patches one by one, instead of carpet
> bombing.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> --Stefan
> 
> -- 
> Stefan Teleman
> KDE e.V.
> stefan.teleman@gmail.com
> 

Re: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

[Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Travis Vitek
<Tr...@roguewave.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am going to ask the following questions in the open. Perhaps this
>> way I will get an answer:
>>
>> 1. Apparently, "Bill's emails" were sent and replied to on the private
>> list. I have not received any of them, although I am on the private
>> list. Or at least, I was on the private list as recently as late
>> March. Is this a case of mailing list malfunction? If that is the
>> case, it should be fixed.
>
> The e-mails regarding the ICLAs were sent to the @private list on 5/1.

Well, yes I got that. My problem is that I no longer receive emails
from @private. I used to, until about end of March/first week of
April. I even sent a bunch of emails to @private. If this is a
@private mailing list problem, I'm asking that it be fixed. The ASF
instructions about the @private mailing list states "contact your
PMC".  So, here I am, contacting the stdcxx PMC about @private. I
would appreciate an answer.


>> 3. There was a recent and important PMC change at stdcxx.
>> Congratulations to Jim Jagielski for his new role as PMC Chair. Again,
>> I learned of this change yesterday, and that only from Jim's email. I
>> haven't received any notification about Jim's appointment prior to
>> yesterday, although, to be fair, I knew about it at the beginning of
>> May, because I read the ASF Board Minutes. Again, why wasn't there any
>> notification of this change?
>
> I read about it in the e-mail entitled 'ASF Board Meeting Summary - April 18, 2012'. I don't normally read the meeting minutes, but I figured something was coming given the kerfuffle over the lack of a March status report (all of which was discussed on the @private list).

Yes, I think that's how I learned about it too. But I generally don't
read Board Minutes, so the fact that I learned about this change was
entirely by accident.

I also believe that having a sudden PMC Chair change is an important
enough event that it warrants an email sent to dev@, announcing the
change. A three line email announcing the change isn't really that
much to ask of the ASF Board. In my experience, and generally
speaking, developers like knowing who is the new Boss.

>> 4. The nightly build emails, which had restarted towards the end of
>> February/beginning of March, have stopped. Why is that?
>
> It looks like the February builds were kicked off manually by Farid. I'm not sure if the build system is configured to poll svn automatically or not, but the last submit to stdcxx was on 2/20, so there has been no need to do any builds since that time.

Ah, OK. ISTR an email from Farid about some kind of move of the
nightly build infrastructure, and some problems with the builds as a
result of this move, but I don't remember the details right now.

Lastly, I have attached a patch for stdcxx-1058. I'd appreciate a
review, so I can commit the fix.

I have a bunch of more fixes and patches, but given that everyone is
busy, I'd rather submit the patches one by one, instead of carpet
bombing.

Thank you very much!

--Stefan

-- 
Stefan Teleman
KDE e.V.
stefan.teleman@gmail.com

RE: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

[Travis Vitek <Tr...@roguewave.com>]

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am going to ask the following questions in the open. Perhaps this
> way I will get an answer:
> 
> 1. Apparently, "Bill's emails" were sent and replied to on the private
> list. I have not received any of them, although I am on the private
> list. Or at least, I was on the private list as recently as late
> March. Is this a case of mailing list malfunction? If that is the
> case, it should be fixed.

The e-mails regarding the ICLAs were sent to the @private list on 5/1.

> 
> 2. Which Bill are we talking about? I know of two Bills at stdcxx. A
> clarification would be welcome.

William A. Rowe Jr.

> 3. There was a recent and important PMC change at stdcxx.
> Congratulations to Jim Jagielski for his new role as PMC Chair. Again,
> I learned of this change yesterday, and that only from Jim's email. I
> haven't received any notification about Jim's appointment prior to
> yesterday, although, to be fair, I knew about it at the beginning of
> May, because I read the ASF Board Minutes. Again, why wasn't there any
> notification of this change?

I read about it in the e-mail entitled 'ASF Board Meeting Summary - April 18, 2012'. I don't normally read the meeting minutes, but I figured something was coming given the kerfuffle over the lack of a March status report (all of which was discussed on the @private list).

> 4. The nightly build emails, which had restarted towards the end of
> February/beginning of March, have stopped. Why is that?

It looks like the February builds were kicked off manually by Farid. I'm not sure if the build system is configured to poll svn automatically or not, but the last submit to stdcxx was on 2/20, so there has been no need to do any builds since that time.

Travis

Re: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

[Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com>]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Stefan Teleman
<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> Since being tasked as chair, I've seen no activity. There was
>> an email from Bill regarding 2 "outstanding" iCLAs, but the response
>> from one of the "committers" was less than optimistic.
>>
>> That's it. No Emails on dev@ or private@, no code activities,
>> really no evidence at all of "renewed" interest/health/activity
>> in stdcxx land.
>>
>> Am I wrong?
>
> I haven't received any of Bill's emails. and I noticed that the
> nightly build emails which had re-started in February have stopped.
>
> I attached a proposed patch for stdcxx-1058 but I haven't received any comments.

I am going to ask the following questions in the open. Perhaps this
way I will get an answer:

1. Apparently, "Bill's emails" were sent and replied to on the private
list. I have not received any of them, although I am on the private
list. Or at least, I was on the private list as recently as late
March. Is this a case of mailing list malfunction? If that is the
case, it should be fixed.

2. Which Bill are we talking about? I know of two Bills at stdcxx. A
clarification would be welcome.

3. There was a recent and important PMC change at stdcxx.
Congratulations to Jim Jagielski for his new role as PMC Chair. Again,
I learned of this change yesterday, and that only from Jim's email. I
haven't received any notification about Jim's appointment prior to
yesterday, although, to be fair, I knew about it at the beginning of
May, because I read the ASF Board Minutes. Again, why wasn't there any
notification of this change?

4. The nightly build emails, which had restarted towards the end of
February/beginning of March, have stopped. Why is that?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Thank you.

--Stefan

-- 
Stefan Teleman
KDE e.V.
stefan.teleman@gmail.com

Re: Apache Standard C++ Project chair change

[Stefan Teleman <st...@gmail.com>]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> Since being tasked as chair, I've seen no activity. There was
> an email from Bill regarding 2 "outstanding" iCLAs, but the response
> from one of the "committers" was less than optimistic.
>
> That's it. No Emails on dev@ or private@, no code activities,
> really no evidence at all of "renewed" interest/health/activity
> in stdcxx land.
>
> Am I wrong?

I haven't received any of Bill's emails. and I noticed that the
nightly build emails which had re-started in February have stopped.

I attached a proposed patch for stdcxx-1058 but I haven't received any comments.

--Stefan

-- 
Stefan Teleman
KDE e.V.
stefan.teleman@gmail.com