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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Sam Hamilton <sa...@sh81.com> on 2010/02/20 08:51:36 UTC
Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
(ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
Cheers
Sam
Re: Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
One way or another, please understand that this is a change in how project admin and some other content is managed and would require a PMC vote. The OFBIZ space is the only one with unrestricted access, with the hope of having documentation "committers" just like we have code committers. However, very few have stepped up for this and there is almost zero coordination around such efforts, so the majority of new content seems to go in the OFBIZ space.
The OFBADMIN space should probably not be left all the way open. We have enough issues with funny policies and other things making their way into it with just the PMC having full access to it. If it was fully open, anyone could edit any of those pages. Of course, that's only my opinion and I'm just one of many PMC members.
If there are enough people interested in making this happen to actually get it to happen then I think that answers the whole question. At this point Contegix is out of the picture for the cwiki stuff, BTW. In general I don't think there is any magic bullet to combine the spaces, we'd basically have to either manually move all of the pages to the OFBIZ space or someone would have to write a script to do so, and part of that would be updating links within the pages, resolving conflicts in page names, etc.
Either way, I'm not going to argue it. There are lots of reasons for the ways things have been done in OFBiz, but many people want to try new things or do things in different ways and recognizing that over time I've argued less and less for how things have been done in the past. In fact, for those who don't know Jacopo has taken my place as PMC Chair because I'm really not in a position to offer any sort of leadership in this community any more, especially not servant leadership and trying to keep things clean and consistent.
-David
On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
> David - Having another look round I don't think the major category
> separation is working any more.
>
> The new user guide is here
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+User+Guide
>
> but end user docs are here
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
>
> To me they seem aimed at the same group of people - I still think that
> now we have moved into Apache infra cleaning up and reorganising the
> docs into one space would be best for the long term even if in the short
> term there might be a few more broken links floating around.
>
> I am sure that Tim or Contegix can update the redirect to point at the
> new URL and make sure the old redirected links still work.
>
> The one thing I cant know is what you need separate permissions per
> space for?
>
> Cheers
> Sam
>
> On 20/02/2010 16:10, Sam Hamilton wrote:
>> Ok - lets work the problem the other way round then. Can someone update
>> the home page to show all the different spaces?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On 20/02/2010 16:07, David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> There are a number of reasons, a couple off the top of my head:
>>>
>>> 1. permissions can only be done by space
>>> 2. organize the documents into the major categories
>>>
>>> It would be nice if this could be accommodated better, but Confluence does not support sub-spaces (that I know of anyway), so we don't have many choices.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
>>>> OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
>>>> (ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
>>>>
>>>> Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
>>>> easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
>>>> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
>>>> writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Sam
>>>
>>
>
Re: Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Posted by Sam Hamilton <sa...@sh81.com>.
David - Having another look round I don't think the major category
separation is working any more.
The new user guide is here
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+User+Guide
but end user docs are here
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
To me they seem aimed at the same group of people - I still think that
now we have moved into Apache infra cleaning up and reorganising the
docs into one space would be best for the long term even if in the short
term there might be a few more broken links floating around.
I am sure that Tim or Contegix can update the redirect to point at the
new URL and make sure the old redirected links still work.
The one thing I cant know is what you need separate permissions per
space for?
Cheers
Sam
On 20/02/2010 16:10, Sam Hamilton wrote:
> Ok - lets work the problem the other way round then. Can someone update
> the home page to show all the different spaces?
>
> Sam
>
>
> On 20/02/2010 16:07, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>> There are a number of reasons, a couple off the top of my head:
>>
>> 1. permissions can only be done by space
>> 2. organize the documents into the major categories
>>
>> It would be nice if this could be accommodated better, but Confluence does not support sub-spaces (that I know of anyway), so we don't have many choices.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
>>> OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
>>> (ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
>>>
>>> Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
>>> easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
>>> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
>>>
>>> I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
>>> writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Sam
>>
>
Re: Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
so your proposing that all spaces be accessible by everyone.
after all that was the purpose of the wiki in the first place.
Sam Hamilton sent the following on 2/20/2010 12:33 AM:
> David - Having another look round I don't think the major category
> separation is working any more.
>
> The new user guide is here
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+User+Guide
>
> but end user docs are here
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
>
> To me they seem aimed at the same group of people - I still think that
> now we have moved into Apache infra cleaning up and reorganising the
> docs into one space would be best for the long term even if in the short
> term there might be a few more broken links floating around.
>
> I am sure that Tim or Contegix can update the redirect to point at the
> new URL and make sure the old redirected links still work.
>
> The one thing I cant know is what you need separate permissions per
> space for?
>
> Cheers
> Sam
>
> On 20/02/2010 16:10, Sam Hamilton wrote:
>> Ok - lets work the problem the other way round then. Can someone update
>> the home page to show all the different spaces?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On 20/02/2010 16:07, David E Jones wrote:
>>> There are a number of reasons, a couple off the top of my head:
>>>
>>> 1. permissions can only be done by space
>>> 2. organize the documents into the major categories
>>>
>>> It would be nice if this could be accommodated better, but Confluence does not support sub-spaces (that I know of anyway), so we don't have many choices.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
>>>> OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
>>>> (ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
>>>>
>>>> Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
>>>> easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
>>>> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
>>>> writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Sam
>
>
Re: Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Posted by Sam Hamilton <sa...@sh81.com>.
Ok - lets work the problem the other way round then. Can someone update
the home page to show all the different spaces?
Sam
On 20/02/2010 16:07, David E Jones wrote:
>
> There are a number of reasons, a couple off the top of my head:
>
> 1. permissions can only be done by space
> 2. organize the documents into the major categories
>
> It would be nice if this could be accommodated better, but Confluence does not support sub-spaces (that I know of anyway), so we don't have many choices.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
>> OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
>> (ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
>>
>> Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
>> easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
>> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
>>
>> I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
>> writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Sam
>
Re: Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
There are a number of reasons, a couple off the top of my head:
1. permissions can only be done by space
2. organize the documents into the major categories
It would be nice if this could be accommodated better, but Confluence does not support sub-spaces (that I know of anyway), so we don't have many choices.
-David
On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
> Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
> OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
> (ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
>
> Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
> easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
>
> I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
> writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
>
> Cheers
> Sam
Re: Merging OFBiz Wiki Spaces
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I really think it was a terrible idea to blindly move our project infrastructure over to the ASF, it has done nothing but reduce the quality of our documentation (broken links, difficult navigation) and demo server (manually maintained, less server resources, no monitoring, currently no release branch demo). We should have only moved the things that transferred seamlessly.
Regards
Scott
On 20/02/2010, at 12:51 AM, Sam Hamilton wrote:
> Just wondering why after moving to Apache Infra there are still multiple
> OFBiz spaces on the wiki especially as on the homepage of the website
> (ofbiz.apache.org) there is only a link to one of the spaces?
>
> Can I suggest that we merge them all under one space so that users can
> easily find all the docs under one link and one Home page
> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home) ?
>
> I am sure that a quick ticket into infra will do the trick, I don't mind
> writing it as long as I am not stepping on toes and no one minds.
>
> Cheers
> Sam