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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Jan Hendrik <ja...@bigfoot.com> on 2003/10/30 15:51:03 UTC

Why not e.g. trace?

Hi all out there!

Just getting over the blame command - Stefan already mentioned it 
a while ago:

IMVHO it's not a very nice command. If we are curious about some 
code or text in a file - do we always want to _blame_ its author for 
it? Or is it not equally likely we just wanna to know who wrote this 
particular stuff to hear from that person why he did something that 
way or how it can be further developed or changed to comply with 
something oneself just works on?

I throw "trace" instead into the ring to make it short, not least for 
the status line description in TSVN. Other suggestion would be 
"find-author" (might be mixed up with "author") or "origin" or "find-
originator".

Jan Hendrik
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Re: Why not e.g. trace?

Posted by Jan Hendrik <ja...@bigfoot.com>.
Concerning Re: Why not e.g. trace?
Daniel Stenberg wrote on 30 Oct 2003, 16:58, at least in part:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Jan Hendrik wrote:
> 
> > IMVHO it's not a very nice command. If we are curious about some
> > code or text in a file - do we always want to _blame_ its author for
> > it?
> 
> Only 14 months ago, every possible argument, reasoning and idea
> regarding this name and everything related, was ventilated a lot on
> the subversion mailing list.
> 
> Let me offer a light afternoon reading by pointing your browser here:

Thanks for the reading! It looks like despite lots of typing most 
nothing has resulted from it except leaving things as they are. 
Didn't knew blame was that old, had the impression it was quite 
new. So I am the new one here! <g> Quite right, since about two or 
three months only. I must admit that I'd rather prefer track, 
analyze, whodunnit over my own belated suggestion trace, but in 
the light of last year's discussion I would not have opened the 
pandora box now and again ...

Best regards

Jan Hendrik

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     it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.
     So we have come to a time for choosing.
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Re: Why not e.g. trace?

Posted by Jan Hendrik <ja...@bigfoot.com>.
Concerning Re: Why not e.g. trace?
Branko Čibej wrote on 31 Oct 2003, 0:07, at least in part:

> Jan Hendrik wrote:
> 
> >IMVHO it's not a very nice command. If we are curious about some code
> >or text in a file - do we always want to _blame_ its author for it?
> >
> Yes. It is always the author's fault that the code is there. :-)
> 
> 
> C. Michael Pilato wrote:
> 
> >If you'd rather use 'svn annotate' or 'svn ann', those aliases are
> >also available.
> >  
> >
> And, as of a few seconds ago, you can also use 'svn praise'. This
> should be the preferred alias for managers during performance reviews.

Hopefully none will ever blame you for that part of the code!! <G>

Jan hendrik

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Re: Why not e.g. trace?

Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@xbc.nu>.
Jan Hendrik wrote:

>Hi all out there!
>
>Just getting over the blame command - Stefan already mentioned it 
>a while ago:
>
>IMVHO it's not a very nice command. If we are curious about some 
>code or text in a file - do we always want to _blame_ its author for 
>it?
>
Yes. It is always the author's fault that the code is there. :-)


C. Michael Pilato wrote:

>If you'd rather use 'svn annotate' or 'svn ann', those aliases are
>also available.
>  
>
And, as of a few seconds ago, you can also use 'svn praise'. This should
be the preferred alias for managers during performance reviews.


-- 
Brane Čibej   <br...@xbc.nu>   http://www.xbc.nu/brane/


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Re: Why not e.g. trace?

Posted by "C. Michael Pilato" <cm...@collab.net>.
"Jan Hendrik" <ja...@bigfoot.com> writes:

> Hi all out there!
> 
> Just getting over the blame command - Stefan already mentioned it 
> a while ago:
> 
> IMVHO it's not a very nice command. If we are curious about some 
> code or text in a file - do we always want to _blame_ its author for 
> it?

If you'd rather use 'svn annotate' or 'svn ann', those aliases are
also available.

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Re: Why not e.g. trace?

Posted by Daniel Stenberg <da...@haxx.se>.
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Jan Hendrik wrote:

> IMVHO it's not a very nice command. If we are curious about some
> code or text in a file - do we always want to _blame_ its author for
> it?

Only 14 months ago, every possible argument, reasoning and idea regarding this
name and everything related, was ventilated a lot on the subversion mailing
list.

Let me offer a light afternoon reading by pointing your browser here:

http://www.contactor.se/~dast/svn/archive-2002-08/index.shtml#2053

-- 
         -=- Daniel Stenberg -=- http://daniel.haxx.se -=-
  ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol

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