Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

["John M. Wargo" <jw...@gmail.com>]

Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve rather than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through File - Open for example)?

Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach better?

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Ok - so anything else I can test - or just chill for now?

On 9/10/13 10:00 AM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>That is something I am working on in my branch ;)
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> I can confirm it works. :)
>>
>> Any way to bypass those alerts? (To be clear, it is easy enough for me
>>to
>> do, but I worry about the folks new to Ripple.)
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

That is something I am working on in my branch ;)


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> I can confirm it works. :)
>
> Any way to bypass those alerts? (To be clear, it is easy enough for me to
> do, but I worry about the folks new to Ripple.)
>
>
>
> On 9/10/13 9:17 AM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Do you get the prompt's for the calls to native?
> >
> >If you do press cancel which will should allow things to boot up.
> >
> >If not try opening your browser to *http://localhost:4400/
> >?enableRipple=cordova-3.0.0 <http://emulate.phonegap.com/#>*
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That's the thing - I can't get Ripple to load. I get the console.log
> >> infinite recursion thing I've gotten with PG for a while now. I
> >>literally
> >> can't get to a point where any HTML shows and the extension can take
> >>over.
> >>
> >> On 9/9/13 5:23 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

I can confirm it works. :)

Any way to bypass those alerts? (To be clear, it is easy enough for me to
do, but I worry about the folks new to Ripple.)



On 9/10/13 9:17 AM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Do you get the prompt's for the calls to native?
>
>If you do press cancel which will should allow things to boot up.
>
>If not try opening your browser to *http://localhost:4400/
>?enableRipple=cordova-3.0.0 <http://emulate.phonegap.com/#>*
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> That's the thing - I can't get Ripple to load. I get the console.log
>> infinite recursion thing I've gotten with PG for a while now. I
>>literally
>> can't get to a point where any HTML shows and the extension can take
>>over.
>>
>> On 9/9/13 5:23 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

Do you get the prompt's for the calls to native?

If you do press cancel which will should allow things to boot up.

If not try opening your browser to *http://localhost:4400/
?enableRipple=cordova-3.0.0 <http://emulate.phonegap.com/#>*


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> That's the thing - I can't get Ripple to load. I get the console.log
> infinite recursion thing I've gotten with PG for a while now. I literally
> can't get to a point where any HTML shows and the extension can take over.
>
> On 9/9/13 5:23 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hey,
> >
> >got pulled off on some other stuff:
> >
> >Lets make sure you are not running an old copy of ripple:
> >
> >> cordova create Baz
> >> cordova platform add android
> >> cordova prepare
> >> cd incubator-ripple
> >> jake
> >> ./bin/ripple emulate --path ../Baz/platforms/android/assets/www/
> >
> >Ensure that you have cordova 3.0.0 selected as the platform.
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

That's the thing - I can't get Ripple to load. I get the console.log
infinite recursion thing I've gotten with PG for a while now. I literally
can't get to a point where any HTML shows and the extension can take over.

On 9/9/13 5:23 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hey,
>
>got pulled off on some other stuff:
>
>Lets make sure you are not running an old copy of ripple:
>
>> cordova create Baz
>> cordova platform add android
>> cordova prepare
>> cd incubator-ripple
>> jake
>> ./bin/ripple emulate --path ../Baz/platforms/android/assets/www/
>
>Ensure that you have cordova 3.0.0 selected as the platform.

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

Hey,

got pulled off on some other stuff:

Lets make sure you are not running an old copy of ripple:

> cordova create Baz
> cordova platform add android
> cordova prepare
> cd incubator-ripple
> jake
> ./bin/ripple emulate --path ../Baz/platforms/android/assets/www/

Ensure that you have cordova 3.0.0 selected as the platform.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hey Gord - just checking in. If you've been too busy to return to this -
> sorry - but if you missed my messages - let me know.
>
> On 9/3/13 12:30 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You will need to run:
> >
> >ripple emulate --path /path/to/cordova/project/platform/android/assets/www
> >
> >Let me know if that works for you.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, I forgot to run cordova serve. I did, and then I get the same
> >>behavior
> >> as before. A prompt and then infinite console.log messages.
> >>
> >> On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Good news!
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

No go. I mean the command ran of course, but upon opening it up in my
browser, I got the same.


On 9/3/13 12:30 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>You will need to run:
>
>ripple emulate --path /path/to/cordova/project/platform/android/assets/www
>
>Let me know if that works for you.
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I forgot to run cordova serve. I did, and then I get the same
>>behavior
>> as before. A prompt and then infinite console.log messages.
>>
>> On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Good news!
>> >
>> >I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].
>> >
>> >It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a
>>project
>> >with android and ios.
>> >
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Hey Gord - just checking in. If you've been too busy to return to this -
sorry - but if you missed my messages - let me know.

On 9/3/13 12:30 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>You will need to run:
>
>ripple emulate --path /path/to/cordova/project/platform/android/assets/www
>
>Let me know if that works for you.
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I forgot to run cordova serve. I did, and then I get the same
>>behavior
>> as before. A prompt and then infinite console.log messages.
>>
>> On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Good news!
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

You will need to run:

ripple emulate --path /path/to/cordova/project/platform/android/assets/www

Let me know if that works for you.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Ok, I forgot to run cordova serve. I did, and then I get the same behavior
> as before. A prompt and then infinite console.log messages.
>
> On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Good news!
> >
> >I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].
> >
> >It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a project
> >with android and ios.
> >
> >To run:
> >
> >> cordova create Baz
> >> cordova platform add android
> >> cordova prepare
> >> ripple emulate
> >
> >(make sure you pick cordova 3.0.0)
> >
> >I was noticing that when I ran cordova serve android it wouldn't have the
> >cordova_plugins.js file.
> >
> >Next Steps:
> >
> >- audit API's that are emulated and ensure they are up to spec (most are
> >just using the 2.0 emulated versions)
> >- reintegrate with cordova cli.
> >
> >Let me know if you take this for a test drive and have any problems.
> >
> >Gord
> >
> >>
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

Wildshot:  localhost:4400/ripple ?


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Ok, forgive me if I did something stupid here.
>
> I cloned https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/tree/cordova-3.0. I
> did configure, jake, and then in Chrome I installed the unpacked
> extension. I chose pkg/chrome.extension. Of the three folders I assume
> that is the right one.
>
> I then made a new project as described below, and run ripple from
> /whereIclone/bin/ripple and I get this in terminal:
>
> INFO: Server instance running on: http://localhost:4400
> INFO: CORS XHR proxy service on: http://localhost:4400/ripple/xhr_proxy
> INFO: JSONP XHR proxy service on:
> http://localhost:4400/ripple/jsonp_xhr_proxy
>
>
> I then tried to hit localhost:4400 and I get "Cannot GET /".
>
> On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Good news!
> >
> >I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].
> >
> >It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a project
> >with android and ios.
> >
> >To run:
> >
> >> cordova create Baz
> >> cordova platform add android
> >> cordova prepare
> >> ripple emulate
> >
> >(make sure you pick cordova 3.0.0)
> >
> >I was noticing that when I ran cordova serve android it wouldn't have the
> >cordova_plugins.js file.
> >
> >Next Steps:
> >
> >- audit API's that are emulated and ensure they are up to spec (most are
> >just using the 2.0 emulated versions)
> >- reintegrate with cordova cli.
> >
> >Let me know if you take this for a test drive and have any problems.
> >
> >Gord
> >
> >
> >[1] - https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/tree/cordova-3.0
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/27/13 11:41 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I think with some tweaks we could have ripple working on all platform
> >> >cordova.js files again.  I am going to need to version out a new
> >>platform
> >> >for cordova to handle the updated hacks and overrides to boot each
> >> >platform
> >> >cleanly but doesn't seem like an impossible task.
> >>
> >> If you need someone to help test, just let me know.
> >>
> >> -rc
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Ok, I forgot to run cordova serve. I did, and then I get the same behavior
as before. A prompt and then infinite console.log messages.

On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Good news!
>
>I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].
>
>It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a project
>with android and ios.
>
>To run:
>
>> cordova create Baz
>> cordova platform add android
>> cordova prepare
>> ripple emulate
>
>(make sure you pick cordova 3.0.0)
>
>I was noticing that when I ran cordova serve android it wouldn't have the
>cordova_plugins.js file.
>
>Next Steps:
>
>- audit API's that are emulated and ensure they are up to spec (most are
>just using the 2.0 emulated versions)
>- reintegrate with cordova cli.
>
>Let me know if you take this for a test drive and have any problems.
>
>Gord
>
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Ok, forgive me if I did something stupid here.

I cloned https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/tree/cordova-3.0. I
did configure, jake, and then in Chrome I installed the unpacked
extension. I chose pkg/chrome.extension. Of the three folders I assume
that is the right one.

I then made a new project as described below, and run ripple from
/whereIclone/bin/ripple and I get this in terminal:

INFO: Server instance running on: http://localhost:4400
INFO: CORS XHR proxy service on: http://localhost:4400/ripple/xhr_proxy
INFO: JSONP XHR proxy service on:
http://localhost:4400/ripple/jsonp_xhr_proxy


I then tried to hit localhost:4400 and I get "Cannot GET /".

On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Good news!
>
>I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].
>
>It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a project
>with android and ios.
>
>To run:
>
>> cordova create Baz
>> cordova platform add android
>> cordova prepare
>> ripple emulate
>
>(make sure you pick cordova 3.0.0)
>
>I was noticing that when I ran cordova serve android it wouldn't have the
>cordova_plugins.js file.
>
>Next Steps:
>
>- audit API's that are emulated and ensure they are up to spec (most are
>just using the 2.0 emulated versions)
>- reintegrate with cordova cli.
>
>Let me know if you take this for a test drive and have any problems.
>
>Gord
>
>
>[1] - https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/tree/cordova-3.0
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 8/27/13 11:41 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I think with some tweaks we could have ripple working on all platform
>> >cordova.js files again.  I am going to need to version out a new
>>platform
>> >for cordova to handle the updated hacks and overrides to boot each
>> >platform
>> >cleanly but doesn't seem like an impossible task.
>>
>> If you need someone to help test, just let me know.
>>
>> -rc
>>
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Ok, I forgot to run cordova serve. I did, and then I get the same behavior
as before. A prompt and then infinite console.log messages.

On 9/2/13 8:32 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Good news!
>
>I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].
>
>It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a project
>with android and ios.
>
>To run:
>
>> cordova create Baz
>> cordova platform add android
>> cordova prepare
>> ripple emulate
>
>(make sure you pick cordova 3.0.0)
>
>I was noticing that when I ran cordova serve android it wouldn't have the
>cordova_plugins.js file.
>
>Next Steps:
>
>- audit API's that are emulated and ensure they are up to spec (most are
>just using the 2.0 emulated versions)
>- reintegrate with cordova cli.
>
>Let me know if you take this for a test drive and have any problems.
>
>Gord
>
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

Good news!

I have a branch that is booting projects made with cordova 3.0 [1].

It is basically a stripped down platform and I tested it booting a project
with android and ios.

To run:

> cordova create Baz
> cordova platform add android
> cordova prepare
> ripple emulate

(make sure you pick cordova 3.0.0)

I was noticing that when I ran cordova serve android it wouldn't have the
cordova_plugins.js file.

Next Steps:

- audit API's that are emulated and ensure they are up to spec (most are
just using the 2.0 emulated versions)
- reintegrate with cordova cli.

Let me know if you take this for a test drive and have any problems.

Gord


[1] - https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/tree/cordova-3.0


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 8/27/13 11:41 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >I think with some tweaks we could have ripple working on all platform
> >cordova.js files again.  I am going to need to version out a new platform
> >for cordova to handle the updated hacks and overrides to boot each
> >platform
> >cleanly but doesn't seem like an impossible task.
>
> If you need someone to help test, just let me know.
>
> -rc
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

On 8/27/13 11:41 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>I think with some tweaks we could have ripple working on all platform
>cordova.js files again.  I am going to need to version out a new platform
>for cordova to handle the updated hacks and overrides to boot each
>platform
>cleanly but doesn't seem like an impossible task.

If you need someone to help test, just let me know.

-rc

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

Took a look at what was breaking ripple and it is a little more involved
then I was hoping:

- Android crashing the browser is caused by changes to how android sets up
it's polling and how the modules all work together in the exec module.  We
used to have everything regarding polling rolled into the
'cordova/plugin/android/polling' module in which ripple would just override
[1] to do nothing since ripple handled everything by replacing the entire
exec function.  I think this module was removed / moved to another place in
3.0 but there is much more thought to be done to get this working better.

Switched over to using the cordova.ios.js file since it doesn't have this
problem and ripple was able to boot and emulate geolocation fine.  The
plugins were not loading from cordova serve ios though (couldn't load
cordova_plugins.js).

I think with some tweaks we could have ripple working on all platform
cordova.js files again.  I am going to need to version out a new platform
for cordova to handle the updated hacks and overrides to boot each platform
cleanly but doesn't seem like an impossible task.


[1] -
https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/blob/master/lib/client/platform/cordova/2.0.0/spec.js#L81-L83


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:

> I'll buy you a gord for that too!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Dude, if you get this working, I won't buy you a beer. I'll go back and
> > time and make it so that when beer was invented, it was called Gord, and
> > your name would forever be synonymous with the best thing ever created.
> > Not being able to use Ripple has been a real pain in my rear when doing
> > presentations. I've even taken to just using a PG 2.6 files.
> >
> > On 8/27/13 1:16 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I can take a look at this tonight.  We may not be upto date with API
> > >support (not a lot of people working on the project right now) but we
> > >shouldn't crash.
> > >
> > >I will ping back on this list when I know more
> > >
> > >Gord
> >
> >
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>]

I'll buy you a gord for that too!


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Dude, if you get this working, I won't buy you a beer. I'll go back and
> time and make it so that when beer was invented, it was called Gord, and
> your name would forever be synonymous with the best thing ever created.
> Not being able to use Ripple has been a real pain in my rear when doing
> presentations. I've even taken to just using a PG 2.6 files.
>
> On 8/27/13 1:16 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I can take a look at this tonight.  We may not be upto date with API
> >support (not a lot of people working on the project right now) but we
> >shouldn't crash.
> >
> >I will ping back on this list when I know more
> >
> >Gord
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Dude, if you get this working, I won't buy you a beer. I'll go back and
time and make it so that when beer was invented, it was called Gord, and
your name would forever be synonymous with the best thing ever created.
Not being able to use Ripple has been a real pain in my rear when doing
presentations. I've even taken to just using a PG 2.6 files.

On 8/27/13 1:16 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I can take a look at this tonight.  We may not be upto date with API
>support (not a lot of people working on the project right now) but we
>shouldn't crash.
>
>I will ping back on this list when I know more
>
>Gord

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Gord Tanner <gt...@gmail.com>]

I can take a look at this tonight.  We may not be upto date with API
support (not a lot of people working on the project right now) but we
shouldn't crash.

I will ping back on this list when I know more

Gord


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> As far as I know, Ripple hasn¹t worked with PG sinceŠ 2.7 I believe.
> Currently it creates an infinite loop in the console which kills the tab
> eventually.
>
> On 8/26/13 2:03 PM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:
>
> >So, how do I "use" it?
> >
> >cordova ripple?
> >
> >@ray: how is it broken?
> >
> >
> >John M. Wargo
> >
> >On Aug 12, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Ray Camden" <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Although please note Ripple has not worked since 2.6 (or 2.7 - I
> >>forget).
> >> I know (assume) folks know this, but I keep hoping it gets repaired
> >>soon.
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/6/13 10:28 AM, "Filip Maj" <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ripple does exactly what serve does but provides an in-browser emulator
> >>> experience on top
> >>>
> >>> On 8/6/13 7:47 AM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks.  Another question, how is Ripple used with the CLI?
> >>>>
> >>>> John M. Wargo
> >>>> SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA
> >>>> Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile: +1 704.249.7476
> >>>> Email: john.wargo@sap.com
> >>>> Twitter: @johnwargo
> >>
>
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

As far as I know, Ripple hasn¹t worked with PG sinceŠ 2.7 I believe.
Currently it creates an infinite loop in the console which kills the tab
eventually.

On 8/26/13 2:03 PM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:

>So, how do I "use" it?
>
>cordova ripple?
>
>@ray: how is it broken?
>
>
>John M. Wargo
>
>On Aug 12, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Ray Camden" <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Although please note Ripple has not worked since 2.6 (or 2.7 - I
>>forget).
>> I know (assume) folks know this, but I keep hoping it gets repaired
>>soon.
>> :)
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/6/13 10:28 AM, "Filip Maj" <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ripple does exactly what serve does but provides an in-browser emulator
>>> experience on top
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/13 7:47 AM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks.  Another question, how is Ripple used with the CLI?
>>>> 
>>>> John M. Wargo
>>>> SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA
>>>> Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile: +1 704.249.7476
>>>> Email: john.wargo@sap.com
>>>> Twitter: @johnwargo
>> 

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

["Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com>]

So, how do I "use" it?  

cordova ripple?

@ray: how is it broken?


John M. Wargo

On Aug 12, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Ray Camden" <ra...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Although please note Ripple has not worked since 2.6 (or 2.7 - I forget).
> I know (assume) folks know this, but I keep hoping it gets repaired soon.
> :)
> 
> 
> On 8/6/13 10:28 AM, "Filip Maj" <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ripple does exactly what serve does but provides an in-browser emulator
>> experience on top
>> 
>> On 8/6/13 7:47 AM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks.  Another question, how is Ripple used with the CLI?
>>> 
>>> John M. Wargo
>>> SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA
>>> Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile: +1 704.249.7476
>>> Email: john.wargo@sap.com
>>> Twitter: @johnwargo
> 

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Ray Camden <ra...@adobe.com>]

Although please note Ripple has not worked since 2.6 (or 2.7 - I forget).
I know (assume) folks know this, but I keep hoping it gets repaired soon.
:)


On 8/6/13 10:28 AM, "Filip Maj" <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:

>Ripple does exactly what serve does but provides an in-browser emulator
>experience on top
>
>On 8/6/13 7:47 AM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks.  Another question, how is Ripple used with the CLI?
>>
>>John M. Wargo
>>SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA
>>Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile: +1 704.249.7476
>>Email: john.wargo@sap.com
>>Twitter: @johnwargo
>>
>>
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com>]

Ripple does exactly what serve does but provides an in-browser emulator
experience on top

On 8/6/13 7:47 AM, "Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com> wrote:

>Thanks.  Another question, how is Ripple used with the CLI?
>
>John M. Wargo
>SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA
>Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile: +1 704.249.7476
>Email: john.wargo@sap.com
>Twitter: @johnwargo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mmocny@google.com [mailto:mmocny@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal
>Mocny
>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:21 AM
>To: dev
>Subject: Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser
>
>file:// urls come with a lot of restrictions in chrome in desktop, but
>that
>isn't the intended use case anyway.
>
>The intended purpose was to load the web assets from a mobile device
>instead of loading the bundled versions, so as to get rapid edit-refresh
>when not making changes to native bits.  As Andrew points out 'serve'
>command will 'prepare' whenever necessary (grunt watch?) and also serve up
>files via local web server.
>
>The simple local alternative may be to just use your own local web server
>from the top level www/ dir, thus avoiding the need to prepare -- but it
>only works if and only if you do not use merges/, and none of your plugins
>have web assets (js-modules are fine I think?), which is not usually the
>situation.
>
>-Michal
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>
>wrote:
>
>> One of the original motivations for "cordova serve" was for it to watch
>>for
>> changes and automatically run "prepare" for you. I don't think this is
>> working right now though.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > XHRs won't work by default on certain browsers such as Chrome. I don't
>> > think there are any other benefits.
>> > This restriction does not exist on a device.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John M. Wargo <jw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve
>> > rather
>> > > than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through
>> File -
>> > > Open for example)?
>> > >
>> > > Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach
>> > better?
>> >
>>

RE: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

["Wargo, John" <jo...@sap.com>]

Thanks.  Another question, how is Ripple used with the CLI?

John M. Wargo
SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA
Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile: +1 704.249.7476
Email: john.wargo@sap.com
Twitter: @johnwargo

-----Original Message-----
From: mmocny@google.com [mailto:mmocny@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:21 AM
To: dev
Subject: Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

file:// urls come with a lot of restrictions in chrome in desktop, but that
isn't the intended use case anyway.

The intended purpose was to load the web assets from a mobile device
instead of loading the bundled versions, so as to get rapid edit-refresh
when not making changes to native bits.  As Andrew points out 'serve'
command will 'prepare' whenever necessary (grunt watch?) and also serve up
files via local web server.

The simple local alternative may be to just use your own local web server
from the top level www/ dir, thus avoiding the need to prepare -- but it
only works if and only if you do not use merges/, and none of your plugins
have web assets (js-modules are fine I think?), which is not usually the
situation.

-Michal


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:

> One of the original motivations for "cordova serve" was for it to watch for
> changes and automatically run "prepare" for you. I don't think this is
> working right now though.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > XHRs won't work by default on certain browsers such as Chrome. I don't
> > think there are any other benefits.
> > This restriction does not exist on a device.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John M. Wargo <jw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve
> > rather
> > > than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through
> File -
> > > Open for example)?
> > >
> > > Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach
> > better?
> >
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Michael Wolf <Mi...@Cynergy.com>]

This is how we are using itŠ as a local server for remote devices to then
attach for example chrome remote debugging.

mw

On 8/6/13 10:20 AM, "Michal Mocny" <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:

>file:// urls come with a lot of restrictions in chrome in desktop, but
>that
>isn't the intended use case anyway.
>
>The intended purpose was to load the web assets from a mobile device
>instead of loading the bundled versions, so as to get rapid edit-refresh
>when not making changes to native bits.  As Andrew points out 'serve'
>command will 'prepare' whenever necessary (grunt watch?) and also serve up
>files via local web server.
>
>The simple local alternative may be to just use your own local web server
>from the top level www/ dir, thus avoiding the need to prepare -- but it
>only works if and only if you do not use merges/, and none of your plugins
>have web assets (js-modules are fine I think?), which is not usually the
>situation.
>
>-Michal
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>
>wrote:
>
>> One of the original motivations for "cordova serve" was for it to watch
>>for
>> changes and automatically run "prepare" for you. I don't think this is
>> working right now though.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > XHRs won't work by default on certain browsers such as Chrome. I don't
>> > think there are any other benefits.
>> > This restriction does not exist on a device.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John M. Wargo <jw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve
>> > rather
>> > > than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through
>> File -
>> > > Open for example)?
>> > >
>> > > Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach
>> > better?
>> >
>>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

file:// urls come with a lot of restrictions in chrome in desktop, but that
isn't the intended use case anyway.

The intended purpose was to load the web assets from a mobile device
instead of loading the bundled versions, so as to get rapid edit-refresh
when not making changes to native bits.  As Andrew points out 'serve'
command will 'prepare' whenever necessary (grunt watch?) and also serve up
files via local web server.

The simple local alternative may be to just use your own local web server
from the top level www/ dir, thus avoiding the need to prepare -- but it
only works if and only if you do not use merges/, and none of your plugins
have web assets (js-modules are fine I think?), which is not usually the
situation.

-Michal


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:

> One of the original motivations for "cordova serve" was for it to watch for
> changes and automatically run "prepare" for you. I don't think this is
> working right now though.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > XHRs won't work by default on certain browsers such as Chrome. I don't
> > think there are any other benefits.
> > This restriction does not exist on a device.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John M. Wargo <jw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve
> > rather
> > > than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through
> File -
> > > Open for example)?
> > >
> > > Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach
> > better?
> >
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>]

One of the original motivations for "cordova serve" was for it to watch for
changes and automatically run "prepare" for you. I don't think this is
working right now though.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:

> XHRs won't work by default on certain browsers such as Chrome. I don't
> think there are any other benefits.
> This restriction does not exist on a device.
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John M. Wargo <jw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve
> rather
> > than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through File -
> > Open for example)?
> >
> > Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach
> better?
>

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

[Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>]

XHRs won't work by default on certain browsers such as Chrome. I don't
think there are any other benefits.
This restriction does not exist on a device.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM, John M. Wargo <jw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone help me understand why I would want to use cordova serve rather
> than just loading the web content in the browser directly (through File -
> Open for example)?
>
> Is there something special that serve does that makes this approach better?