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Corona Track App
Hi all
I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many
countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around,
what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down
the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the
social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to.
I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a good
idea to have something open source under AL v2.
I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
an exception here. What do you think?
Regards Raphael
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Carlos Sanchez <ca...@apache.org>.
There is an official WHO app written by volunteers
https://github.com/WorldHealthOrganization/app
and I saw another proximity tracker with barcodes for quarantine but can't
find the link now
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> In Poland I am (or rather I was) privately involved in a project of
> developing such an app over the last few weeks. So I have some experience
> with it. Unfortunately this kind of application has limited potential
> unless it is installed by the whole population in the country and it
> requires governmental backing (it has to be connected with tests and a
> formal diagnosis of people). I am not sure if Apache-led projects might be
> able to achieve it/ agree we should all think how we can help
> with existing initiatives. But we have to be careful with the privacy
> concern - which is, I believe, an important aspect.
>
> Let me tell you my story from the last couple of days.
>
> I am an engineer in a company that specializes in developing Bluetooth/BLE
> applications (we created and open-sourced a number of BLE libraries which
> are among the most popular in the world and some people from the company
> help to develop such applications: https://github.com/ProteGO-app . Note -
> it was not the company initiative and it is not affiliated with it, some
> people from our company contributed pro-bono there, that's it.
>
> It started as a project that would keep the data on the phones and will
> only submit to the server anonymous data of encounters via BLE with other
> (also healthy) people to the server. Initially the decisions and status
> were supposed to be done on the phone and healthy people's data would never
> leave the phone nor will ever be de-anonymisable.
>
> Unfortunately while the idea was originally to have a solution that will
> protect privacy, decisions made (not by me and I was strongly opposing them
> from the very beginning) turned it into something very different:
>
> - obligatory registration via Mobile Phone Number when you install the
> app
> - mapping of the pseudonymous identifiers to the phone numbers kept on
> the server
> - ability to derive the user from pseudonymous encounters during the 2
> weeks before diagnosis
>
> As a result it will be possible to track encounters of nearly the whole
> population if the application becomes really popular (and being wildly
> popular is a prerequisite of success for such an app).
>
> I am not in the project any more - I quit the project at the very moment
> those decisions were made, but I am actively commenting on it, raising
> issues and concerns (mainly privacy, ownership, licensing etc.). The
> client + backend APIs are released on GPL + AGPL licences (which is good)
> but the mechanism of registration and lack of transparency on the
> server-side algorithms make me really worried, so I am currently in the
> process of involving the privacy-aware NGOs (I have meetings tomorrow) to
> make them aware about huge risks involved with such approach and possibly
> influence change in the direction of the project.
>
> It's not that I am opposing the whole idea. Quite the contrary I love the
> idea, but only if it is done with privacy in mind. And there are
> alternatives (probably more than those two):
>
> - The https://www.pepp-pt.org/ initiative (providing that they will
> hold
> to the original manifesto and privacy statement when they actually
> release
> something) - for centralized (but anonymous) solution
> - And the whitepaper https://github.com/DP-3T/documents - which is a
> theoretical (so far) approach for building a fully decentralized
> solution.
>
> Unfortunately most of the communication in the project is in Polish, but
> there are a couple of issues in English. But If you think it's a good idea
> to help and if the ideals of privacy are dear to you, I'd encourage you to
> raise and upvote the issues there. Not sure if the ASF itself can do
> anything about it or want to (probably not and it's not ASF's role) but if
> we manage to turn around and make the solution privacy-aware, then I'd
> really encourage to contribute to it. The technology part (especially
> Bluetooth-related part of the protocol) is done by one of the best Mobile
> Bluetooth engineers in the world. No kidding - they developed a lot of
> great libraries for BLE that are wildly popular. Those libraries are all
> open sourced - Apache 2.0 Licence :)
> https://github.com/Polidea/RxAndroidBle
> , https://github.com/Polidea/RxBluetoothKit,
> https://github.com/Polidea/FlutterBleLib,
> https://github.com/Polidea/react-native-ble-plx
>
> BTW. If somebody would like to start such an initiative, I think many of
> those great engineers would be happy to take part in an ASF-run initiative
> like this if some people from ASF decide to take any actions on it. If
> someone has a contact with some privacy aware NGOs who would like to learn
> more about it - I am also happy to help and explain everything in detail.
>
> J.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:17 PM Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > sounds interesting.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:14 AM Ed Mangini <me...@emangini.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-and-europe-turn-to-phone-tracking-strategies-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus-11585906203
> > >
> >
> https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/03/contact-tracing-coronavirus-massachusetts-baker
> > >
> > > It might be worthwhile to look into one of the efforts underway, and
> > "lend
> > > a few hands".
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed Mangini
> > > me@emangini.com
> > >
> > > <http://emangini.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:06 AM Raphael Bircher <
> rbircherapache@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many
> > > > countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around,
> > > > what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down
> > > > the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the
> > > > social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to.
> > > >
> > > > I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a
> good
> > > > idea to have something open source under AL v2.
> > > >
> > > > I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> > > > an exception here. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Regards Raphael
> > > >
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
In Poland I am (or rather I was) privately involved in a project of
developing such an app over the last few weeks. So I have some experience
with it. Unfortunately this kind of application has limited potential
unless it is installed by the whole population in the country and it
requires governmental backing (it has to be connected with tests and a
formal diagnosis of people). I am not sure if Apache-led projects might be
able to achieve it/ agree we should all think how we can help
with existing initiatives. But we have to be careful with the privacy
concern - which is, I believe, an important aspect.
Let me tell you my story from the last couple of days.
I am an engineer in a company that specializes in developing Bluetooth/BLE
applications (we created and open-sourced a number of BLE libraries which
are among the most popular in the world and some people from the company
help to develop such applications: https://github.com/ProteGO-app . Note -
it was not the company initiative and it is not affiliated with it, some
people from our company contributed pro-bono there, that's it.
It started as a project that would keep the data on the phones and will
only submit to the server anonymous data of encounters via BLE with other
(also healthy) people to the server. Initially the decisions and status
were supposed to be done on the phone and healthy people's data would never
leave the phone nor will ever be de-anonymisable.
Unfortunately while the idea was originally to have a solution that will
protect privacy, decisions made (not by me and I was strongly opposing them
from the very beginning) turned it into something very different:
- obligatory registration via Mobile Phone Number when you install the
app
- mapping of the pseudonymous identifiers to the phone numbers kept on
the server
- ability to derive the user from pseudonymous encounters during the 2
weeks before diagnosis
As a result it will be possible to track encounters of nearly the whole
population if the application becomes really popular (and being wildly
popular is a prerequisite of success for such an app).
I am not in the project any more - I quit the project at the very moment
those decisions were made, but I am actively commenting on it, raising
issues and concerns (mainly privacy, ownership, licensing etc.). The
client + backend APIs are released on GPL + AGPL licences (which is good)
but the mechanism of registration and lack of transparency on the
server-side algorithms make me really worried, so I am currently in the
process of involving the privacy-aware NGOs (I have meetings tomorrow) to
make them aware about huge risks involved with such approach and possibly
influence change in the direction of the project.
It's not that I am opposing the whole idea. Quite the contrary I love the
idea, but only if it is done with privacy in mind. And there are
alternatives (probably more than those two):
- The https://www.pepp-pt.org/ initiative (providing that they will hold
to the original manifesto and privacy statement when they actually release
something) - for centralized (but anonymous) solution
- And the whitepaper https://github.com/DP-3T/documents - which is a
theoretical (so far) approach for building a fully decentralized solution.
Unfortunately most of the communication in the project is in Polish, but
there are a couple of issues in English. But If you think it's a good idea
to help and if the ideals of privacy are dear to you, I'd encourage you to
raise and upvote the issues there. Not sure if the ASF itself can do
anything about it or want to (probably not and it's not ASF's role) but if
we manage to turn around and make the solution privacy-aware, then I'd
really encourage to contribute to it. The technology part (especially
Bluetooth-related part of the protocol) is done by one of the best Mobile
Bluetooth engineers in the world. No kidding - they developed a lot of
great libraries for BLE that are wildly popular. Those libraries are all
open sourced - Apache 2.0 Licence :) https://github.com/Polidea/RxAndroidBle
, https://github.com/Polidea/RxBluetoothKit,
https://github.com/Polidea/FlutterBleLib,
https://github.com/Polidea/react-native-ble-plx
BTW. If somebody would like to start such an initiative, I think many of
those great engineers would be happy to take part in an ASF-run initiative
like this if some people from ASF decide to take any actions on it. If
someone has a contact with some privacy aware NGOs who would like to learn
more about it - I am also happy to help and explain everything in detail.
J.
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:17 PM Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sounds interesting.
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:14 AM Ed Mangini <me...@emangini.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-and-europe-turn-to-phone-tracking-strategies-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus-11585906203
> >
> https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/03/contact-tracing-coronavirus-massachusetts-baker
> >
> > It might be worthwhile to look into one of the efforts underway, and
> "lend
> > a few hands".
> >
> >
> > Ed Mangini
> > me@emangini.com
> >
> > <http://emangini.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:06 AM Raphael Bircher <rbircherapache@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many
> > > countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around,
> > > what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down
> > > the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the
> > > social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to.
> > >
> > > I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a good
> > > idea to have something open source under AL v2.
> > >
> > > I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> > > an exception here. What do you think?
> > >
> > > Regards Raphael
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
sounds interesting.
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:14 AM Ed Mangini <me...@emangini.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-and-europe-turn-to-phone-tracking-strategies-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus-11585906203
> https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/03/contact-tracing-coronavirus-massachusetts-baker
>
> It might be worthwhile to look into one of the efforts underway, and "lend
> a few hands".
>
>
> Ed Mangini
> me@emangini.com
>
> <http://emangini.com>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:06 AM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many
> > countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around,
> > what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down
> > the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the
> > social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to.
> >
> > I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a good
> > idea to have something open source under AL v2.
> >
> > I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> > an exception here. What do you think?
> >
> > Regards Raphael
> >
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Ed Mangini <me...@emangini.com>.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-and-europe-turn-to-phone-tracking-strategies-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus-11585906203
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/03/contact-tracing-coronavirus-massachusetts-baker
It might be worthwhile to look into one of the efforts underway, and "lend
a few hands".
Ed Mangini
me@emangini.com
<http://emangini.com>
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:06 AM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many
> countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around,
> what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down
> the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the
> social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to.
>
> I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a good
> idea to have something open source under AL v2.
>
> I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> an exception here. What do you think?
>
> Regards Raphael
>
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Manish Sharma <sa...@gmail.com>.
Sure
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 6:36 PM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many
> countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around,
> what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down
> the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the
> social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to.
>
> I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a good
> idea to have something open source under AL v2.
>
> I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> an exception here. What do you think?
>
> Regards Raphael
>
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
Also there is the European call of EDP for one app to rule them all (and
protect privacy) - I am applying to be involved
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52189551
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> If you take a look at my (really short) concept, you will see, that I
> have a slightly different approach. Instead of a centralized tool. I
> think a decentralized with the possibility of some centralized data
> (if necessary) is the better way.
>
> On one way I expect a higher tolerance by the population, on the other
> hand you are not depending on a large server Infrastructure.
>
> Regards Raphael
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:55 AM Christofer Dutz
> <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know the German government have created an App for the post-lockdown
> time that's DSVGO compliant.
> > Saw a news report on that a few days ago.
> >
> > Seems to work by tracking Bluetooth devices around you.
> >
> > So if someone using the app gets tested positive, the system sends out
> alerts to anyone who was in contact with that person.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 06.04.20, 08:21 schrieb "Raphael Bircher" <rbircherapache@gmail.com
> >:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I made a Git repository https://github.com/rbircher/pandemie_track
> so
> > people who are interested can join
> >
> > There is also a Gitter https://gitter.im/pandemie_track/community
> >
> > I will soon add some Ideas to GitHub.
> >
> > Regards Raphael
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:31 PM Bertrand Delacretaz
> > <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Raphael,
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:06 PM Raphael Bircher <
> rbircherapache@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ...I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we
> should make
> > > > an exception here. What do you think?...
> > >
> > > IMO it always boils down to finding people who actually have time
> to
> > > make things happen.
> > >
> > > If someone wants to start a software project related to the the
> > > current pandemic, starting in incubation is fairly easy,
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ has the details.
> > >
> > > There's also http://labs.apache.org/ although I don't think it's
> very
> > > active nowadays.
> > >
> > > I also noted recently https://www.pepp-pt.org/ and I understand
> it's
> > > meant to create an Open Source Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing
> > > protocol that might be quite useful in the next few months.
> > >
> > > Creating software around that might be cool, I'm not planning to
> help
> > > myself but the goal of Apache is to provide a space for cool
> projects
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
> > >
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com>.
Hi all
If you take a look at my (really short) concept, you will see, that I
have a slightly different approach. Instead of a centralized tool. I
think a decentralized with the possibility of some centralized data
(if necessary) is the better way.
On one way I expect a higher tolerance by the population, on the other
hand you are not depending on a large server Infrastructure.
Regards Raphael
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:55 AM Christofer Dutz
<ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I know the German government have created an App for the post-lockdown time that's DSVGO compliant.
> Saw a news report on that a few days ago.
>
> Seems to work by tracking Bluetooth devices around you.
>
> So if someone using the app gets tested positive, the system sends out alerts to anyone who was in contact with that person.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Am 06.04.20, 08:21 schrieb "Raphael Bircher" <rb...@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi all
>
> I made a Git repository https://github.com/rbircher/pandemie_track so
> people who are interested can join
>
> There is also a Gitter https://gitter.im/pandemie_track/community
>
> I will soon add some Ideas to GitHub.
>
> Regards Raphael
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:31 PM Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Raphael,
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:06 PM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ...I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> > > an exception here. What do you think?...
> >
> > IMO it always boils down to finding people who actually have time to
> > make things happen.
> >
> > If someone wants to start a software project related to the the
> > current pandemic, starting in incubation is fairly easy,
> > http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ has the details.
> >
> > There's also http://labs.apache.org/ although I don't think it's very
> > active nowadays.
> >
> > I also noted recently https://www.pepp-pt.org/ and I understand it's
> > meant to create an Open Source Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing
> > protocol that might be quite useful in the next few months.
> >
> > Creating software around that might be cool, I'm not planning to help
> > myself but the goal of Apache is to provide a space for cool projects
> > ;-)
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
I know the German government have created an App for the post-lockdown time that's DSVGO compliant.
Saw a news report on that a few days ago.
Seems to work by tracking Bluetooth devices around you.
So if someone using the app gets tested positive, the system sends out alerts to anyone who was in contact with that person.
Chris
Am 06.04.20, 08:21 schrieb "Raphael Bircher" <rb...@gmail.com>:
Hi all
I made a Git repository https://github.com/rbircher/pandemie_track so
people who are interested can join
There is also a Gitter https://gitter.im/pandemie_track/community
I will soon add some Ideas to GitHub.
Regards Raphael
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:31 PM Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Raphael,
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:06 PM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> > an exception here. What do you think?...
>
> IMO it always boils down to finding people who actually have time to
> make things happen.
>
> If someone wants to start a software project related to the the
> current pandemic, starting in incubation is fairly easy,
> http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ has the details.
>
> There's also http://labs.apache.org/ although I don't think it's very
> active nowadays.
>
> I also noted recently https://www.pepp-pt.org/ and I understand it's
> meant to create an Open Source Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing
> protocol that might be quite useful in the next few months.
>
> Creating software around that might be cool, I'm not planning to help
> myself but the goal of Apache is to provide a space for cool projects
> ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com>.
Hi all
I made a Git repository https://github.com/rbircher/pandemie_track so
people who are interested can join
There is also a Gitter https://gitter.im/pandemie_track/community
I will soon add some Ideas to GitHub.
Regards Raphael
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:31 PM Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Raphael,
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:06 PM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> > an exception here. What do you think?...
>
> IMO it always boils down to finding people who actually have time to
> make things happen.
>
> If someone wants to start a software project related to the the
> current pandemic, starting in incubation is fairly easy,
> http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ has the details.
>
> There's also http://labs.apache.org/ although I don't think it's very
> active nowadays.
>
> I also noted recently https://www.pepp-pt.org/ and I understand it's
> meant to create an Open Source Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing
> protocol that might be quite useful in the next few months.
>
> Creating software around that might be cool, I'm not planning to help
> myself but the goal of Apache is to provide a space for cool projects
> ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: Corona Track App
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Raphael,
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:06 PM Raphael Bircher <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make
> an exception here. What do you think?...
IMO it always boils down to finding people who actually have time to
make things happen.
If someone wants to start a software project related to the the
current pandemic, starting in incubation is fairly easy,
http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ has the details.
There's also http://labs.apache.org/ although I don't think it's very
active nowadays.
I also noted recently https://www.pepp-pt.org/ and I understand it's
meant to create an Open Source Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing
protocol that might be quite useful in the next few months.
Creating software around that might be cool, I'm not planning to help
myself but the goal of Apache is to provide a space for cool projects
;-)
-Bertrand
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