[asn1] These ideas are exceptional Emmanuel!

[Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net>]

Emmanuel,

I really really like what you have started here.  Alan have you had a look?

http://wiki.apache.org/directory/Asn1Home

This page which talks about tracking the tag info is most excellent.  
What tools did you use to show TLV nesting?

http://wiki.apache.org/directory/TLVPageInfo

I'm impressed you stopped to document your ideas first.  I have several 
comments but would like to play with these ideas a little bit more.  
Perhaps we can conduct some small experiments with the indivisible 
elements (T, L, and V). 

Yeah you're right, ITU specs are a good substitute for sleeping pills:

(last line)
"They are available for free, which is quite cheap compared to sleeping 
pills !"

Cheers,
    -Alex

Re: [asn1] These ideas are exceptional Emmanuel!

[Enrique Rodriguez <er...@apache.org>]

Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> Le vendredi 18 février 2005 à 16:08 -0500, Noel J. Bergman a écrit :
> Of course, depending of the MessageID, we will need more than one of
> these "smart stubs" - TLV Patterns is a better name for it -. You can
> then push a buffer without having to encode a TLV.

On another project we call these "pre-compiled."

-enrique

> 
> That was the idea, if this is the conversation you had in mind.
> 
> btw, Alex suggested that we could build two kind of TagDecoder, one for
> single byte tags, and another for multi-bytes tags. I think that it's
> not necessary, as the single byte tag Decoder will always run first,
> followed by the multi-byte Decodcer, depending on a specific condition :
> b[0] & 0x1F == 0x1F. This test is absolutly mandatory, so even if we
> don't have a multi-byte tag, we won't be able to avoid this test. 
> 
> 
> 

RE: [asn1] These ideas are exceptional Emmanuel!

[Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@iktek.com>]

Le vendredi 18 février 2005 à 16:08 -0500, Noel J. Bergman a écrit :
> > A while back we had an IRC discussion on why we needed both general
> > TLV processing and compiled smart stubs.  Does anyone recall what
> > the argument for that was?
> 
> I checked my logs, and have some commentary on TLVs and POJOs from mid-July.
> Nothing more recent.  Would that it be it?
> 
> 	--- Noel
> 

It may be two weeks ago, when IRC wasn't logged? We had a discussion
about "smart stub" that are pre-compiled TLV which can be sent without
encoding, as they don't change. For instance, a sucessfull BindResponse
will always have the same bytes, except for the MessageID. So we can
pre-build the TLV, and just push the current MessageID in it. It works
for Response, not for request (it could, but it's useless, as
performance issues will occur on the server, not on the client).

Of course, depending of the MessageID, we will need more than one of
these "smart stubs" - TLV Patterns is a better name for it -. You can
then push a buffer without having to encode a TLV. 

That was the idea, if this is the conversation you had in mind.

btw, Alex suggested that we could build two kind of TagDecoder, one for
single byte tags, and another for multi-bytes tags. I think that it's
not necessary, as the single byte tag Decoder will always run first,
followed by the multi-byte Decodcer, depending on a specific condition :
b[0] & 0x1F == 0x1F. This test is absolutly mandatory, so even if we
don't have a multi-byte tag, we won't be able to avoid this test. 

RE: [asn1] These ideas are exceptional Emmanuel!

["Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>]

> A while back we had an IRC discussion on why we needed both general
> TLV processing and compiled smart stubs.  Does anyone recall what
> the argument for that was?

I checked my logs, and have some commentary on TLVs and POJOs from mid-July.
Nothing more recent.  Would that it be it?

	--- Noel

Re: [asn1] These ideas are exceptional Emmanuel!

["Alan D. Cabrera" <ad...@toolazydogs.com>]

Alex Karasulu wrote:

> Emmanuel,
>
> I really really like what you have started here.  Alan have you had a 
> look?

This is great work!

>
> http://wiki.apache.org/directory/Asn1Home
>
> This page which talks about tracking the tag info is most excellent.  
> What tools did you use to show TLV nesting?
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/directory/TLVPageInfo
>
> I'm impressed you stopped to document your ideas first.  I have 
> several comments but would like to play with these ideas a little bit 
> more.  Perhaps we can conduct some small experiments with the 
> indivisible elements (T, L, and V).
> Yeah you're right, ITU specs are a good substitute for sleeping pills:
>
> (last line)
> "They are available for free, which is quite cheap compared to 
> sleeping pills !" 


A while back we had an IRC discussion on why we needed both general TLV 
processing and compiled smart stubs.  Does anyone recall what the 
argument for that was?


Regards,
Alan