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Posted to dev@ripple.apache.org by Marvin <no...@apache.org> on 2014/10/06 16:15:04 UTC
Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc])
Dear podling,
This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC.
It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly
board report.
The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 15 October 2014, 10:30 am PST. The report
for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator PMC
requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to allow
sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Oct 1st).
Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC, and
subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you
should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
Thanks,
The Apache Incubator PMC
Submitting your Report
----------------------
Your report should contain the following:
* Your project name
* A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the project
or necessarily of its field
* A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards
graduation.
* Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware of
* How has the community developed since the last report
* How has the project developed since the last report.
This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2014
Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before this page
is created from a template.
Mentors
-------
Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on the
Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are following the
project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the Incubator PMC.
Incubator PMC
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
If IP is not managed correctly then potential users can't use the code. If they can't use the code they can't contribute. Moving to GitHub because it allows the IP management processes to be thrown away does not change this.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the project can't move, I'm just saying that stripping away governance is not away to build community. If the current governance approach isn't working the. Fix it. Moving the code doesn't do that.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10/8/2014 8:15 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
I think it would be easier for folks to do PRs if they want. Right now the
process is a bit complex and releasing takes a vote if I remember right.
Moving to GitHub just makes it simpler. Does that mean activity will
magically appear? No. But all things considered, I think it is the simplest
solution.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> If there are too few admins here how will that change by moving to GitHub?
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 10/8/2014 7:44 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> >
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Personally I think the process at GitHub would be easier. Folks do a PR,
> admin checks it and accepts it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > How does it going to GitHub help?
> >
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > ________________________________
> > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > >
> > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > > of us here
> > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > >
> > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > > committer
> > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is
> a
> > > dev list, new
> > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > > hard to get a report
> > > done any time.
> > >
> > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > >
> > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > > there are no
> > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
> ===========================================================================
> > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<<http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<>
> http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>>
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>>
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
I think it would be easier for folks to do PRs if they want. Right now the
process is a bit complex and releasing takes a vote if I remember right.
Moving to GitHub just makes it simpler. Does that mean activity will
magically appear? No. But all things considered, I think it is the simplest
solution.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> If there are too few admins here how will that change by moving to GitHub?
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 10/8/2014 7:44 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> >
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Personally I think the process at GitHub would be easier. Folks do a PR,
> admin checks it and accepts it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > How does it going to GitHub help?
> >
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > ________________________________
> > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > >
> > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > > of us here
> > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > >
> > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > > committer
> > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is
> a
> > > dev list, new
> > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > > hard to get a report
> > > done any time.
> > >
> > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > >
> > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > > there are no
> > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
> ===========================================================================
> > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<
> http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>>
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
If there are too few admins here how will that change by moving to GitHub?
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10/8/2014 7:44 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Personally I think the process at GitHub would be easier. Folks do a PR,
admin checks it and accepts it.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> How does it going to GitHub help?
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> >
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> >
> > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > of us here
> > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> >
> > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > committer
> > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is a
> > dev list, new
> > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > hard to get a report
> > done any time.
> >
> > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> >
> > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > there are no
> > volunteers from that place taking over.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>>
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Personally I think the process at GitHub would be easier. Folks do a PR,
admin checks it and accepts it.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> How does it going to GitHub help?
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> >
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> >
> > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > of us here
> > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> >
> > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > committer
> > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is a
> > dev list, new
> > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > hard to get a report
> > done any time.
> >
> > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> >
> > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > there are no
> > volunteers from that place taking over.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github project
would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out license
wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to sort this out
here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please note
this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to argue
if a single person would be able to get the name.
However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions in
that direction.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Would would "own" the project?
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > My main point is that there is almost zero community here
> > and it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply
> > a fix or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> >
> > --
> > Christian Grobmeier
> > grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > >
> > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > To:
> > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > >
> > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > >
> > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > > > of us here
> > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > >
> > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > > > committer
> > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is
> > a
> > > > dev list, new
> > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > > > hard to get a report
> > > > done any time.
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > > > there are no
> > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > ===========================================================================
> > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > >
> > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by JR <jr...@gmail.com>.
I have to say I've stopped using Ripple in favor of Chrome's built in
emulation tools.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Speed, Derek <de...@intel.com>
wrote:
> Hi Raymond,
>
> I am trying to get my head around the Cordova browser platform concept and
> came across your very informative blog post here:
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/2014/9/24/Browser-as-a-platform-for-your-PhoneGapCordova-apps
>
> In the comments to your blog post, you stated that you thought that the
> browser as a platform concept in Cordova felt like a better approach than
> Ripple - could you please elaborate a little on this?
>
> Just so folks understand where I am coming from, here is a little
> background. Our product, the Intel XDK, uses Ripple as the basis of our
> device emulator. We have been putting some effort into a proof-of-concept
> that involves refactoring Ripple such that the implementation of the
> emulation is provided via Cordova plug-ins rather than built into Ripple
> itself. This seems to have a fair amount of overlap conceptually with the
> Cordova browser as a platform effort so we are trying to form an opinion on
> which approach makes more sense for us to look at investing in for the
> longer term.
>
> Any insight/advice you or anyone else on the Ripple list can provide that
> compares the pros/cons of the two approaches is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:00 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released very
> soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is definitely *not*
> 6 months out.
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) <
> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> > Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We
> > use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to
> > start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple
> > with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
> >
> > Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ?
> > I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that
> > is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK
> > is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future
> > direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK
> > team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our
> > specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent
> > much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
> >
> > Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities
> > between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very
> > close to having something worth sharing with the community for
> > feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the
> > technical work we have been doing together.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Derek
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> > collaboration (of which I did not make):
> >
> > IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop
> > and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that
> > develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and
> > familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e
> > Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
> >
> > FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> > place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
> >
> > Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> > outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and
> > releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community,
> > and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues
> > can still be worked out there.
> >
> > +1 to Github.
> >
> > PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can
> volunteer.
> > While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage
> > the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any
> > who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as
> a thought).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> > >
> > > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> > >
> > > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> > > note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to
> > > argue if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions
> > > in that direction.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > > Would would "own" the project?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and
> > > > > it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix
> > > > > or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board
> > > > > > report for
> > > Oct
> > > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> > > devote to
> > > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > > because
> > > most
> > > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where
> > > > > > > discussing a
> > > new
> > > > > > > committer
> > > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > > this is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple
> > > > > > > lists and
> > > its
> > > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it
> > > > > > > won't help
> > > if
> > > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > > > > > www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brent Lintner
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
Jonathan
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Speed, Derek" <de...@intel.com>.
Hi Raymond,
I am trying to get my head around the Cordova browser platform concept and came across your very informative blog post here: http://www.raymondcamden.com/2014/9/24/Browser-as-a-platform-for-your-PhoneGapCordova-apps
In the comments to your blog post, you stated that you thought that the browser as a platform concept in Cordova felt like a better approach than Ripple - could you please elaborate a little on this?
Just so folks understand where I am coming from, here is a little background. Our product, the Intel XDK, uses Ripple as the basis of our device emulator. We have been putting some effort into a proof-of-concept that involves refactoring Ripple such that the implementation of the emulation is provided via Cordova plug-ins rather than built into Ripple itself. This seems to have a fair amount of overlap conceptually with the Cordova browser as a platform effort so we are trying to form an opinion on which approach makes more sense for us to look at investing in for the longer term.
Any insight/advice you or anyone else on the Ripple list can provide that compares the pros/cons of the two approaches is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:00 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released very soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is definitely *not*
6 months out.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) < panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We
> use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to
> start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple
> with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
>
> Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ?
> I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that
> is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK
> is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future
> direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK
> team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our
> specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent
> much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
>
> Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities
> between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very
> close to having something worth sharing with the community for
> feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the
> technical work we have been doing together.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> collaboration (of which I did not make):
>
> IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop
> and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that
> develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and
> familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e
> Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
>
> FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
>
> Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and
> releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community,
> and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues
> can still be worked out there.
>
> +1 to Github.
>
> PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
> While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage
> the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any
> who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
> wrote:
>
> > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> >
> > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> >
> > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> > note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to
> > argue if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions
> > in that direction.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > Would would "own" the project?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and
> > > > it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix
> > > > or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board
> > > > > report for
> > Oct
> > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > >
> > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> > devote to
> > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > because
> > most
> > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where
> > > > > > discussing a
> > new
> > > > > > committer
> > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > this is
> > > > a
> > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple
> > > > > > lists and
> > its
> > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it
> > > > > > won't help
> > if
> > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > >
> > ====================================================================
> > ==
> > =====
> > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > >
> > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > > > > www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > ====================================================================
> > ==
> > =====
> > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > >
> > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Brent Lintner
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
I think there is a little confusion here. The browser platform bring discussed below is part of Cordova. There is nothing related to it happening behind closed doors (at least not that I am aware of).
As to the other points below, I agree.
I've discussed this thread in my day job role (I work with Parshu). We have decided we would like Ripple to remain in the incubator as we have committed resources to work on it. We recognize that project maintenance and management is lacking right now.
Parashu (who is a Cordova committer) has the technical need for Ripple . Since I championed Ripple, I've offered to assist Parashu in keep Ripple moving from a maintenance perspective.
To be clear, this is not likely to be a significant development effort. There is every chance that in six months Ripple is no longer needed for Cordova users like us (see Browser platform work). However, today we consider it necessary, at least for us and would like to do the necessary maintenance work here at the ASF.
Christian, thank you for your attention as a mentor. Let's see where we are in a couple of reporting cycles, if things have not progressed from where we are today then it will be time to retire the project.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobmeier@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:54 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
If we have a chance to keep Ripple alive, thats fine.
BUT we need volunteers here to care about this project, and be it only the report.
If you or MS Open Tech would like to keep this project alive, then I urge you to step up here and help us with things like reports.
Also patches are welcome. Usually we discuss new committers after seeing the persons in question are really committed to a project. This is unlikely to happen if you develop behind closed doors. At the ASF we appreciate open development in general
That being said I would like to invite you to show us your work, help us with reporting duties, send in any patches you might have for the current code base and in general participate in the general discussion.
As the report is still left to do, I would definitely be +1 to wait a bit longer if somebody - committer or not - would step up and provide at least a reporting draft.
--
Christian Grobmeier
grobmeier@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014, at 02:08, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> I mean a stable browser-platform that we can use in our systems. That
> would take us 6 months. :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released
> very soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is
> definitely
> *not*
> 6 months out.
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
> < panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> > Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow.
> > We use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan
> > to start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace
> > Ripple with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
> >
> > Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ?
> > I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that
> > is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel
> > XDK is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future
> > direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK
> > team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our
> > specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent
> > much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
> >
> > Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities
> > between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very
> > close to having something worth sharing with the community for
> > feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the
> > technical work we have been doing together.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Derek
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> > collaboration (of which I did not make):
> >
> > IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop
> > and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that
> > develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and
> > familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e
> > Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
> >
> > FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> > place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
> >
> > Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> > outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development
> > and releasing versions might very well reignite contribution,
> > community, and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or
> > trademark issues can still be worked out there.
> >
> > +1 to Github.
> >
> > PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
> > While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage
> > the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any
> > who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > <cg...@grobmeier.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> > >
> > > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> > >
> > > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub.
> > > Please note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to
> > > argue if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any
> > > questions in that direction.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > > Would would "own" the project?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and
> > > > > it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a
> > > > > fix or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board
> > > > > > report for
> > > Oct
> > > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time
> > > > > > to
> > > devote to
> > > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > > because
> > > most
> > > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where
> > > > > > > discussing a
> > > new
> > > > > > > committer
> > > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > > this is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple
> > > > > > > lists and
> > > its
> > > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it
> > > > > > > won't help
> > > if
> > > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > > > > > www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brent Lintner
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> ===== Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
If we have a chance to keep Ripple alive, thats fine.
BUT we need volunteers here to care about this project, and be it only
the report.
If you or MS Open Tech would like to keep this project alive, then I
urge
you to step up here and help us with things like reports.
Also patches are welcome. Usually we discuss new committers after seeing
the persons in question are really committed to a project. This is
unlikely
to happen if you develop behind closed doors. At the ASF we appreciate
open development in general
That being said I would like to invite you to show us your work,
help us with reporting duties, send in any patches you might have for
the
current code base and in general participate in the general discussion.
As the report is still left to do, I would definitely be +1 to wait a
bit longer
if somebody - committer or not - would step up and provide at least a
reporting draft.
--
Christian Grobmeier
grobmeier@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014, at 02:08, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> I mean a stable browser-platform that we can use in our systems. That
> would take us 6 months. :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released
> very soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is definitely
> *not*
> 6 months out.
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) <
> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> > Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We
> > use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to
> > start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple
> > with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
> >
> > Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ?
> > I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that
> > is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK
> > is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future
> > direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK
> > team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our
> > specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent
> > much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
> >
> > Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities
> > between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very
> > close to having something worth sharing with the community for
> > feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the
> > technical work we have been doing together.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Derek
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> > collaboration (of which I did not make):
> >
> > IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop
> > and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that
> > develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and
> > familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e
> > Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
> >
> > FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> > place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
> >
> > Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> > outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and
> > releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community,
> > and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues
> > can still be worked out there.
> >
> > +1 to Github.
> >
> > PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
> > While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage
> > the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any
> > who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> > >
> > > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> > >
> > > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> > > note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to
> > > argue if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions
> > > in that direction.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > > Would would "own" the project?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and
> > > > > it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix
> > > > > or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board
> > > > > > report for
> > > Oct
> > > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> > > devote to
> > > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > > because
> > > most
> > > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where
> > > > > > > discussing a
> > > new
> > > > > > > committer
> > > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > > this is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple
> > > > > > > lists and
> > > its
> > > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it
> > > > > > > won't help
> > > if
> > > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > > > > > www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brent Lintner
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)" <pa...@microsoft.com>.
I mean a stable browser-platform that we can use in our systems. That would take us 6 months. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released very soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is definitely *not*
6 months out.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) < panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We
> use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to
> start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple
> with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
>
> Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ?
> I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that
> is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK
> is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future
> direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK
> team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our
> specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent
> much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
>
> Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities
> between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very
> close to having something worth sharing with the community for
> feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the
> technical work we have been doing together.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> collaboration (of which I did not make):
>
> IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop
> and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that
> develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and
> familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e
> Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
>
> FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
>
> Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and
> releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community,
> and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues
> can still be worked out there.
>
> +1 to Github.
>
> PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
> While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage
> the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any
> who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
> wrote:
>
> > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> >
> > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> >
> > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> > note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to
> > argue if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions
> > in that direction.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > Would would "own" the project?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and
> > > > it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix
> > > > or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board
> > > > > report for
> > Oct
> > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > >
> > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> > devote to
> > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > because
> > most
> > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where
> > > > > > discussing a
> > new
> > > > > > committer
> > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > this is
> > > > a
> > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple
> > > > > > lists and
> > its
> > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it
> > > > > > won't help
> > if
> > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > >
> > ====================================================================
> > ==
> > =====
> > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > >
> > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > > > > www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > ====================================================================
> > ==
> > =====
> > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > >
> > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Brent Lintner
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released very
soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is definitely *not*
6 months out.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) <
panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We use
> Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to start using
> cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple with that. However,
> cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
>
> Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ? I
> can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that is a
> concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK is
> based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future direction of
> Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK team on Ripple
> development has been on adapting it to meet our specific needs in the Intel
> XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent much effort on contributing to the
> upstream project.
>
> Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities between
> Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very close to having
> something worth sharing with the community for feedback. So, stay tuned for
> an e-mail on the early results of the technical work we have been doing
> together.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> collaboration (of which I did not make):
>
> IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop and
> sustain active communities without well defined governance (that develops
> on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and familiar) channel
> of communication, contribution, and community. I.e Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc-
> all the tools you need in one place.
>
> FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
>
> Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and
> releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community, and
> admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues can
> still be worked out there.
>
> +1 to Github.
>
> PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
> While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage the
> project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any who are
> willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
> wrote:
>
> > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> >
> > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> >
> > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> > note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to argue
> > if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions in
> > that direction.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > Would would "own" the project?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and it's
> > > > unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix or so
> > > > in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report
> > > > > for
> > Oct
> > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > >
> > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> > devote to
> > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > because
> > most
> > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing
> > > > > > a
> > new
> > > > > > committer
> > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > this is
> > > > a
> > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists
> > > > > > and
> > its
> > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't
> > > > > > help
> > if
> > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > >
> > ======================================================================
> > =====
> > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > >
> > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > ======================================================================
> > =====
> > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > >
> > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Brent Lintner
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)" <pa...@microsoft.com>.
Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ? I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
-----Original Message-----
From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very close to having something worth sharing with the community for feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the technical work we have been doing together.
Thanks,
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova collaboration (of which I did not make):
IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community, and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues can still be worked out there.
+1 to Github.
PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
wrote:
> The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
>
> Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
>
> There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to argue
> if a single person would be able to get the name.
> However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions in
> that direction.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > Would would "own" the project?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and it's
> > > unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix or so
> > > in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report
> > > > for
> Oct
> > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > >
> > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> devote to
> > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > because
> most
> > > > > of us here
> > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing
> > > > > a
> new
> > > > > committer
> > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> this is
> > > a
> > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists
> > > > > and
> its
> > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > done any time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't
> > > > > help
> if
> > > > > there are no
> > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> ======================================================================
> =====
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ======================================================================
> =====
> > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
Brent Lintner
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Speed, Derek" <de...@intel.com>.
As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very close to having something worth sharing with the community for feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the technical work we have been doing together.
Thanks,
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova collaboration (of which I did not make):
IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community, and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues can still be worked out there.
+1 to Github.
PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
wrote:
> The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
>
> Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
>
> There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to argue
> if a single person would be able to get the name.
> However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions in
> that direction.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > Would would "own" the project?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and it's
> > > unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix or so
> > > in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report
> > > > for
> Oct
> > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > >
> > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> devote to
> > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > because
> most
> > > > > of us here
> > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing
> > > > > a
> new
> > > > > committer
> > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> this is
> > > a
> > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists
> > > > > and
> its
> > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > done any time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't
> > > > > help
> if
> > > > > there are no
> > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> ======================================================================
> =====
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ======================================================================
> =====
> > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
Brent Lintner
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Brent Lintner <br...@gmail.com>.
Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
collaboration (of which I did not make):
IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop and
sustain active communities without well defined governance (that develops
on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and familiar) channel
of communication, contribution, and community. I.e Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc-
all the tools you need in one place.
FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first place,
and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on outside
of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and releasing
versions might very well reignite contribution, community, and admin
management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues can still be
worked out there.
+1 to Github.
PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can volunteer.
While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage the
project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any who are
willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as a thought).
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>
wrote:
> The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github project
> would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
>
> Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out license
> wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to sort this out
> here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
>
> There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please note
> this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to argue
> if a single person would be able to get the name.
> However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions in
> that direction.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > Would would "own" the project?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here
> > > and it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply
> > > a fix or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christian Grobmeier
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> Oct
> > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > >
> > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to
> devote to
> > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because
> most
> > > > > of us here
> > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a
> new
> > > > > committer
> > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> this is
> > > a
> > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and
> its
> > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > done any time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help
> if
> > > > > there are no
> > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> ===========================================================================
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ===========================================================================
> > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
Brent Lintner
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <cg...@grobmeier.de>.
The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github project
would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out license
wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to sort this out
here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please note
this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to argue
if a single person would be able to get the name.
However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions in
that direction.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Would would "own" the project?
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > My main point is that there is almost zero community here
> > and it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply
> > a fix or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> >
> > --
> > Christian Grobmeier
> > grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > >
> > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > > To:
> > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > >
> > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > >
> > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > > > of us here
> > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > >
> > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > > > committer
> > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is
> > a
> > > > dev list, new
> > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > > > hard to get a report
> > > > done any time.
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > > > there are no
> > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > ===========================================================================
> > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > >
> > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Would would "own" the project?
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> My main point is that there is almost zero community here
> and it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply
> a fix or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
>
> --
> Christian Grobmeier
> grobmeier@gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > How does it going to GitHub help?
> >
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > ________________________________
> > From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> > To:
> > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > >
> > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > > of us here
> > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > >
> > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > > committer
> > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is
> a
> > > dev list, new
> > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > > hard to get a report
> > > done any time.
> > >
> > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > >
> > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > > there are no
> > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
> ===========================================================================
> > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
My main point is that there is almost zero community here
and it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply
a fix or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
--
Christian Grobmeier
grobmeier@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> How does it going to GitHub help?
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
> To:
> dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
> it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> >
> > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> > of us here
> > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> >
> > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> > committer
> > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is a
> > dev list, new
> > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> > hard to get a report
> > done any time.
> >
> > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> >
> > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> > there are no
> > volunteers from that place taking over.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
How does it going to GitHub help?
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Raymond Camden<ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10/8/2014 7:26 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
>
> We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> of us here
> want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
>
> We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> committer
> to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is a
> dev list, new
> committers are discussed on the private list).
> Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> hard to get a report
> done any time.
>
> I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
>
> Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> there are no
> volunteers from that place taking over.
>
>
>
> --
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Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time to devote to
it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
>
> We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
> of us here
> want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
>
> We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
> committer
> to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is a
> dev list, new
> committers are discussed on the private list).
> Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
> hard to get a report
> done any time.
>
> I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
>
> Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
> there are no
> volunteers from that place taking over.
>
>
>
> --
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014
([ppmc]))
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello all,
we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad, because most
of us here
want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where discussing a new
committer
to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder: this is a
dev list, new
committers are discussed on the private list).
Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple lists and its
hard to get a report
done any time.
I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it won't help if
there are no
volunteers from that place taking over.
The question is, should we cancel our incubation here. What would it
mean?
- Ripples trademark would remain at the ASF (there were excpetions)
- The source code is read only
- Mailinglists etc are closed
However it would also mean we make an update to our webpage and tell
people
that this project has moved to GitHub. I am not sure if it would survive
there as well,
but today people love to work with GitHub and that means there are
chances.
Personally I think if nobody of you comes up with either a great idea to
attract new people
or says he can dedicate a certain amount of time, this project is better
being moved to
GitHub. We are not speaking about to "kill" a running project, because I
don't see any
sign of life so far. And this is what I consider "dead" already.
What are your thoughts?
Kind regards,
Christian
--
Christian Grobmeier
grobmeier@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014, at 16:15, Marvin wrote:
>
>
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> Incubator PMC.
> It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your
> quarterly
> board report.
>
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 15 October 2014, 10:30 am PST.
> The report
> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The
> Incubator PMC
> requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to
> allow
> sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Oct 1st).
>
> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator
> PMC, and
> subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest
> you
> should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
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>
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>
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