Re: maven-repository cont.

[Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>
>> > "Every incubator release is also an Apache release"
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#rules
>
>> +1
>> every incubator release is an official apache release
>
> While technically accurate, the way you are both using the term conveys a
> false meaning that would be in conflict with the clear statement in the
> Incubator Disclaimer:
>
>  "While incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the
>   completeness or stability of the code, it does indicate that
>   the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF."
>
> And every time you want to gray that area, you provide more weight for
> making the division between the Incubator and the rest of the ASF more
> starkly delineated, which would result in measures more onerous than most
> under discussion.  So let's try and keep that line nice and clear, rather
> than blur it.
>
>        --- Noel

I dont' get where the contradiction is, or the gray area. 'Release' is
about source code, 'project' is about much more: people, code, etc.
Let's say, the Incubator publishes a release
'foo-incubating-0.9-src.zip' of podling 'foo'. Say, the released code
is stable and has everything we would want from a release. Later, the
project gets cancelled while in incubation, for diversity reasons,
lack of interest, whatever. So we have (a) a regular release of (b) a
failed incubating project.
The _release_ refers to the released code, while the podling failed,
which the _disclaimer_ is good for.
If it wasn't a proper release, well it shouldn't have been released.

   Bernd

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RE: maven-repository cont.

["Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>]

Bernd Fondermann wrote:

> >  "While incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the
> >   completeness or stability of the code, it does indicate that
> >   the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF."

> Let's say, the Incubator publishes a release 'foo-incubating-0.9-src.zip'
of
> podling 'foo'. Say, the released code is stable and has everything we
would
> want from a release. Later, the project gets cancelled while in
incubation,
> for diversity reasons, lack of interest, whatever. So we have (a) a
regular
> release of (b) a failed incubating project.  The _release_ refers to the
> released code, while the podling failed, which the _disclaimer_ is good
for.

Simply put: Maven circumvents the disclaimer.  Users never see it, may never
be aware that they have such dependencies.  We're trying to address that
problem.

	--- Noel



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