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Posted to dev@trafodion.apache.org by "Birdsall, Dave" <da...@hp.com> on 2015/06/03 23:20:12 UTC
Trafodion wiki
Hi,
Up until now, the Trafodion project has been using a wiki at www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>. This wiki will likely be migrated to Apache-preferred technologies (it is in MediaWiki now). That will take some time. Alice Chen has pointed out a possible tool to help automate this, but it will take some time. For one thing, contributor workflow pages will have to be rewritten to reflect the newer Apache workflow. For another, the Community pages will need drastic revision (all the governance stuff is replaced by pointers to Apache pages; the team pages are revised to list PMC, committers, contributors, for example).
In the short term, I'd like to suggest that we put pointers between old and new.
On the old wiki, www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>, I propose initially to put a note on the main page saying that Trafodion has moved to Apache incubation, and put a link to the new Apache-based wiki there. I'm guessing this is not controversial.
On the new wiki, I propose initially putting a note that this site is under construction, and giving a pointer back to www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>. Question for mentors: Is this permissible? (For example, the www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org> site boasts that Trafodion was developed with HP Labs. I suppose this could be taken as a commercial endorsement?)
As new workflow and community-oriented pages are created on the new wiki, I propose creating links on the relevant pages on the old wiki pointing to the content on the new. So, for example, after we migrate the code to Apache infrastructure, we would delete the related workflow material on the old wiki, document the new workflow on the new wiki, and place a pointer from old to new.
What do you think?
I'd like to move forward on the "initially" parts of this proposal within a week if possible; the workflow and contributor replacement stuff later.
Thanks,
Dave
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Marton, Roberta S" <ro...@hp.com>.
Please add my name also. If you need help migrating, let me know.
Roberta
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:56 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Hello Suresh,
I've given you write access to the wiki.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Subbiah, Suresh
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:46 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Hi Alice,
Can you please give me write access to the wiki too? I can help migrate pages and hope to add to our documentation too.
Thank you for helping me find my wiki id. It is suresh_subbiah.
Thanks
Suresh
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:29 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Hello Suresh,
I've given you write access to the wiki.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Subbiah, Suresh
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:46 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Hi Alice,
Can you please give me write access to the wiki too? I can help migrate pages and hope to add to our documentation too.
Thank you for helping me find my wiki id. It is suresh_subbiah.
Thanks
Suresh
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:29 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Subbiah, Suresh" <Su...@hp.com>.
Hi Alice,
Can you please give me write access to the wiki too? I can help migrate pages and hope to add to our documentation too.
Thank you for helping me find my wiki id. It is suresh_subbiah.
Thanks
Suresh
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:29 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
I've sent an email with the subject "Clarification on wiki write access" to general@incubator.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:24 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the
>> section "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only
>> people who have filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
This is definitely not correct. Can you please follow up on general@incubator so we can correct it?
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the section
>> "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only people who have
>> filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
This is definitely not correct. Can you please follow up on general@incubator
so we can correct it?
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
wrote:
> Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the section
> "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only people who have
> filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
>
>
News to me but seems pretty clear.
St.Ack
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:29 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
>
> Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id
> if they want write permission on the wiki.
>
> Thanks,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
> > It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> > encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't
> happen.
> >
> >
> +1
>
> Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > > on
> > this wiki?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alice
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > > Of
> > Roman Shaposhnik
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> > >
> > > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> > mentors on the project to be admins.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > >> <al...@hp.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello Roman,
> > >>>
> > >>> Can I get write privilege to
> > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> > >>> dio
> > >>> n+Home
> > >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> > >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> St.Ack
> >
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the section "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only people who have filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:29 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Moran, Amanda" <am...@hp.com>.
I would like to be able to contribute (especially to installer pages).
Thanks!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:30 AM, "Birdsall, Dave" <da...@hp.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> And yesterday I added a pointer to the old wiki, www.trafodion.org, pointing to the new.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 8:45 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
>
> I've added some content to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home and put in a note that we are in the process of transitioning and pointer to our old wiki.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 8:09 PM
> To: 'dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org'
> Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
>
> Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the section "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only people who have filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:29 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
>
> Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
>
> Thanks,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
>> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
> +1
>
> Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
>>> on
>> this wiki?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alice
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>> Roman Shaposhnik
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
>>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
>>>
>>> Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
>> mentors on the project to be admins.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>>>> <al...@hp.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Roman,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I get write privilege to
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
>>>>> dio
>>>>> n+Home
>>>>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
>>>> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> St.Ack
>>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Birdsall, Dave" <da...@hp.com>.
Hi,
And yesterday I added a pointer to the old wiki, www.trafodion.org, pointing to the new.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 8:45 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
I've added some content to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home and put in a note that we are in the process of transitioning and pointer to our old wiki.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 8:09 PM
To: 'dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org'
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the section "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only people who have filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:29 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
I've added some content to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home and put in a note that we are in the process of transitioning and pointer to our old wiki.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 8:09 PM
To: 'dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org'
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Looking @ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html in the section "Using a Wiki to Create Documentation" it looks like only people who have filed ICLAs can edit the wiki. Is this true?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:29 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Ok. We'll ask people to send an email to the dev list with their wiki id if they want write permission on the wiki.
Thanks,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly*
> encourage you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers
> > on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafo
> >>> dio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly* encourage
> you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
>
>
+1
Spam can eat up a bunch of your time pruning it back.
St.Ack
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers on
> this wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
> >
> > Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all
> mentors on the project to be admins.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Roman,
> >>>
> >>> Can I get write privilege to
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodio
> >>> n+Home
> >>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> >> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> St.Ack
>
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
It is whatever you (as an admin) make it. That said, I *highly* encourage
you to keep it an opt-in scheme to make sure spam doesn't happen.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
<al...@hp.com> wrote:
> Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers on this wiki?
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
>
> Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all mentors on the project to be admins.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Roman,
>>>
>>> Can I get write privilege to
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodio
>>> n+Home
>>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
>> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> St.Ack
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Thanks Roman. One question, is write access limited to committers on this wiki?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:54 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense for all mentors on the project to be admins.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Roman,
>>
>> Can I get write privilege to
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodio
>> n+Home
>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
>>
>
>
> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman.
> Mind giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
>
> Thanks,
> St.Ack
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Done! Stack and Alice are now admins. I think it makes sense
for all mentors on the project to be admins.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Roman,
>>
>> Can I get write privilege to
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home
>> ? My wiki id is alchen.
>>
>
>
> I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman. Mind
> giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
>
> Thanks,
> St.Ack
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
wrote:
> Hello Roman,
>
> Can I get write privilege to
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home
> ? My wiki id is alchen.
>
I think you are the only one w/ Admin privileges at the moment Roman. Mind
giving them to a few of us. Could give them to Alchen?
Thanks,
St.Ack
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Hello Roman,
Can I get write privilege to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home ? My wiki id is alchen.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:57 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trafodion wiki
Sounds like a good plan to me.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 10:53 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Birdsall, Dave <da...@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Up until now, the Trafodion project has been using a wiki at
> www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>. This wiki will likely be
> migrated to Apache-preferred technologies (it is in MediaWiki now).
> That will take some time. Alice Chen has pointed out a possible tool
> to help automate this, but it will take some time. For one thing,
> contributor workflow pages will have to be rewritten to reflect the
> newer Apache workflow. For another, the Community pages will need
> drastic revision (all the governance stuff is replaced by pointers to
> Apache pages; the team pages are revised to list PMC, committers, contributors, for example).
>
> In the short term, I'd like to suggest that we put pointers between
> old and new.
>
>
Sounds good to me.
> On the old wiki, www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>, I
> propose initially to put a note on the main page saying that Trafodion
> has moved to Apache incubation, and put a link to the new Apache-based
> wiki there. I'm guessing this is not controversial.
>
>
Smile.
> On the new wiki, I propose initially putting a note that this site is
> under construction, and giving a pointer back to www.trafodion.org<
> http://www.trafodion.org>. Question for mentors: Is this permissible?
> (For example, the www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org> site
> boasts that Trafodion was developed with HP Labs. I suppose this could
> be taken as a commercial endorsement?)
>
>
You are migrating. Its fine Dave. Would only be a problem if it was perceived folks were not sensitive to possible transitive mis-endorsements or that it was not clear that this stuff was not being actively worked on; no danger here on either front I'd say.
> As new workflow and community-oriented pages are created on the new
> wiki, I propose creating links on the relevant pages on the old wiki
> pointing to the content on the new. So, for example, after we migrate
> the code to Apache infrastructure, we would delete the related
> workflow material on the old wiki, document the new workflow on the
> new wiki, and place a pointer from old to new.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
Good by me. What do others think?
St.Ack
> I'd like to move forward on the "initially" parts of this proposal
> within a week if possible; the workflow and contributor replacement stuff later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
RE: Trafodion wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 10:53 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion wiki
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Birdsall, Dave <da...@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Up until now, the Trafodion project has been using a wiki at
> www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>. This wiki will likely be
> migrated to Apache-preferred technologies (it is in MediaWiki now).
> That will take some time. Alice Chen has pointed out a possible tool
> to help automate this, but it will take some time. For one thing,
> contributor workflow pages will have to be rewritten to reflect the
> newer Apache workflow. For another, the Community pages will need
> drastic revision (all the governance stuff is replaced by pointers to
> Apache pages; the team pages are revised to list PMC, committers, contributors, for example).
>
> In the short term, I'd like to suggest that we put pointers between
> old and new.
>
>
Sounds good to me.
> On the old wiki, www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>, I
> propose initially to put a note on the main page saying that Trafodion
> has moved to Apache incubation, and put a link to the new Apache-based
> wiki there. I'm guessing this is not controversial.
>
>
Smile.
> On the new wiki, I propose initially putting a note that this site is
> under construction, and giving a pointer back to www.trafodion.org<
> http://www.trafodion.org>. Question for mentors: Is this permissible?
> (For example, the www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org> site
> boasts that Trafodion was developed with HP Labs. I suppose this could
> be taken as a commercial endorsement?)
>
>
You are migrating. Its fine Dave. Would only be a problem if it was perceived folks were not sensitive to possible transitive mis-endorsements or that it was not clear that this stuff was not being actively worked on; no danger here on either front I'd say.
> As new workflow and community-oriented pages are created on the new
> wiki, I propose creating links on the relevant pages on the old wiki
> pointing to the content on the new. So, for example, after we migrate
> the code to Apache infrastructure, we would delete the related
> workflow material on the old wiki, document the new workflow on the
> new wiki, and place a pointer from old to new.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
Good by me. What do others think?
St.Ack
> I'd like to move forward on the "initially" parts of this proposal
> within a week if possible; the workflow and contributor replacement stuff later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
Re: Trafodion wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Birdsall, Dave <da...@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Up until now, the Trafodion project has been using a wiki at
> www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>. This wiki will likely be
> migrated to Apache-preferred technologies (it is in MediaWiki now). That
> will take some time. Alice Chen has pointed out a possible tool to help
> automate this, but it will take some time. For one thing, contributor
> workflow pages will have to be rewritten to reflect the newer Apache
> workflow. For another, the Community pages will need drastic revision (all
> the governance stuff is replaced by pointers to Apache pages; the team
> pages are revised to list PMC, committers, contributors, for example).
>
> In the short term, I'd like to suggest that we put pointers between old
> and new.
>
>
Sounds good to me.
> On the old wiki, www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org>, I propose
> initially to put a note on the main page saying that Trafodion has moved to
> Apache incubation, and put a link to the new Apache-based wiki there. I'm
> guessing this is not controversial.
>
>
Smile.
> On the new wiki, I propose initially putting a note that this site is
> under construction, and giving a pointer back to www.trafodion.org<
> http://www.trafodion.org>. Question for mentors: Is this permissible?
> (For example, the www.trafodion.org<http://www.trafodion.org> site boasts
> that Trafodion was developed with HP Labs. I suppose this could be taken as
> a commercial endorsement?)
>
>
You are migrating. Its fine Dave. Would only be a problem if it was
perceived folks were not sensitive to possible transitive mis-endorsements
or that it was not clear that this stuff was not being actively worked on;
no danger here on either front I'd say.
> As new workflow and community-oriented pages are created on the new wiki,
> I propose creating links on the relevant pages on the old wiki pointing to
> the content on the new. So, for example, after we migrate the code to
> Apache infrastructure, we would delete the related workflow material on the
> old wiki, document the new workflow on the new wiki, and place a pointer
> from old to new.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
Good by me. What do others think?
St.Ack
> I'd like to move forward on the "initially" parts of this proposal within
> a week if possible; the workflow and contributor replacement stuff later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>