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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org> on 2003/08/14 22:05:39 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
On the Jakarta project we are removing a sub-project. Xml.Apache has
others in "hibernation" and others will surely follow.
Since the incubator accepts new projects, it seems obvious for me to
propose here the opposite. That means possibly taking the responsibility
of also moving the dead projects to a resting place (which would need
AFAIK board change in our charter).
What about:
graveyard.apache.org
hibernation.apache.org
byebye.apache.org
devnull.apache.org
frozen.apache.org
...
Where we can keep track of dead projects, with also some brief
explanation of how they died, and eventual history from those working on
them?
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Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@watson.ibm.com>.
If we still want to create a new one, I suggest going with "attic" ..
given CVS' usage of it I think its quite suitable.
Sanjiva.
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From: "Brian Behlendorf" <br...@collab.net>
To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; <ni...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
>
> We have archive.apache.org, I don't see the need to create a new vhost.
>
> Brian
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > What about:
> >
> > graveyard.apache.org
> > hibernation.apache.org
> > byebye.apache.org
> > devnull.apache.org
> > frozen.apache.org
> > ...
> >
> > Where we can keep track of dead projects, with also some brief
> > explanation of how they died, and eventual history from those working on
> > them?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@collab.net>.
We have archive.apache.org, I don't see the need to create a new vhost.
Brian
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> What about:
>
> graveyard.apache.org
> hibernation.apache.org
> byebye.apache.org
> devnull.apache.org
> frozen.apache.org
> ...
>
> Where we can keep track of dead projects, with also some brief
> explanation of how they died, and eventual history from those working on
> them?
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@coredevelopers.net>.
IMO graveyard is the most descriptive term I have seen so far which
explains what the project is and does not sacrifice on style ;-)
--jason
On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 06:32 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> What about a word everyone uses already (in incubator):
> park.apache.org
>
> Someone could start developing w/it again and ... unpark.
> .V
>
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>> On the Jakarta project we are removing a sub-project. Xml.Apache has
>> others in "hibernation" and others will surely follow.
>> Since the incubator accepts new projects, it seems obvious for me to
>> propose here the opposite. That means possibly taking the
>> responsibility of also moving the dead projects to a resting place
>> (which would need AFAIK board change in our charter).
>> What about:
>> graveyard.apache.org
>> hibernation.apache.org
>> byebye.apache.org
>> devnull.apache.org
>> frozen.apache.org
>> ...
>> Where we can keep track of dead projects, with also some brief
>> explanation of how they died, and eventual history from those working
>> on them?
>
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by Vic Cekvenich <ce...@baseBeans.com>.
What about a word everyone uses already (in incubator):
park.apache.org
Someone could start developing w/it again and ... unpark.
.V
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> On the Jakarta project we are removing a sub-project. Xml.Apache has
> others in "hibernation" and others will surely follow.
>
> Since the incubator accepts new projects, it seems obvious for me to
> propose here the opposite. That means possibly taking the responsibility
> of also moving the dead projects to a resting place (which would need
> AFAIK board change in our charter).
>
> What about:
>
> graveyard.apache.org
> hibernation.apache.org
> byebye.apache.org
> devnull.apache.org
> frozen.apache.org
> ...
>
> Where we can keep track of dead projects, with also some brief
> explanation of how they died, and eventual history from those working on
> them?
>
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RE: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> > The infrastructure team is already preparing archive.apache.org for this
> > purpose.
> This is the technical part, and there is more to it, as policies wether
> a project is to be [archived], and how. There are also issues about
> what to gather [for archived] projects.
Those sound like good things to raise on community@. Infrastructure has
already provided the basic technology. When it comes down to it, each PMC
will be responsible, probably with a basic policy being expressed by the
Board. But ideally we should be able to discuss and codify that policy,
with the Board simply saying "Good job. Do it."
> One thing is releases, ie program artifacts, and another is project
> resources.
Right. We can identify what each of those items are, and how they should be
archived.
--- Noel
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote, On 15/08/2003 0.04:
> Nicola,
>
>>On the Jakarta project we are removing a sub-project. Xml.Apache has
>>others in "hibernation" and others will surely follow.
>
> Just out of curiousity, why did you raise this on Incubator?
As it's the opposite of incubation.
> The infrastructure team is already preparing archive.apache.org for this
> purpose.
This is the technical part, and there is more to it, as policies wether
a project is to be graveyarded, and how. There are also issues about
what to gather from dying projects.
We could say that the graveyard is a feedback loop to the incubation.
> As you know, all releases are supposed to go under
> www.apache.org/dist. http://archive.apache.org has a mirror of the
> distribution site, the difference being that soon projects will be asked to
> clean off historical releases from the distribution site to cut down on
> demands made on mirrors. However, archive.apache.org will always have all
> releases going back in time.
One thing is releases, ie program artifacts, and another is project
resources.
> Removing the web site is a related topic that should be addressed. Brian
> just did this for java.apache.org, which will now direct you to
> http://archive.apache.org/dist/java/.
If this is all there is to it... ok.
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RE: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Nicola,
> On the Jakarta project we are removing a sub-project. Xml.Apache has
> others in "hibernation" and others will surely follow.
Just out of curiousity, why did you raise this on Incubator?
The infrastructure team is already preparing archive.apache.org for this
purpose. As you know, all releases are supposed to go under
www.apache.org/dist. http://archive.apache.org has a mirror of the
distribution site, the difference being that soon projects will be asked to
clean off historical releases from the distribution site to cut down on
demands made on mirrors. However, archive.apache.org will always have all
releases going back in time.
Removing the web site is a related topic that should be addressed. Brian
just did this for java.apache.org, which will now direct you to
http://archive.apache.org/dist/java/.
--- Noel
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Creating graveyard.apache.org
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
-1 hibernation...to confusing with hibernate (the persistence tool).
Other than that it doesn't matter. My personal preference is
deadprojects.apache.org...but I have this weird love of descriptive/clear
names.
On 8/14/03 4:05 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On the Jakarta project we are removing a sub-project. Xml.Apache has
> others in "hibernation" and others will surely follow.
>
> Since the incubator accepts new projects, it seems obvious for me to
> propose here the opposite. That means possibly taking the responsibility
> of also moving the dead projects to a resting place (which would need
> AFAIK board change in our charter).
>
> What about:
>
> graveyard.apache.org
> hibernation.apache.org
> byebye.apache.org
> devnull.apache.org
> frozen.apache.org
> ...
>
> Where we can keep track of dead projects, with also some brief
> explanation of how they died, and eventual history from those working on
> them?
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