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Posted to alexandria-dev@jakarta.apache.org by Sam Ruby <ru...@us.ibm.com> on 2001/08/29 16:22:13 UTC
Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go into a
long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise - as long as it
looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the functionally
included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will live on.
Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining his own
project defintions. I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
support. This is related to the question above as the level of granularity
for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
- Sam Ruby
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Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On 8/29/01 12:15 PM, "josh lucas" <lu...@collab.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2001-08-29 at 07:22, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go into a
>> long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise - as long as it
>> looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the functionally
>> included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
>
> Agreed.. Let's keep it here.
>
>>
>> Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will live on.
>>
>> Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining his own
>> project defintions. I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
>> support. This is related to the question above as the level of granularity
>> for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
>>
>
> I think that project folk should be able to adjust their descriptors so
> it will just be a matter of figuring out the best way to handle it.
>
One way is the stuff I have been playing with in JJAR - where there is a
central 'directory' that can point to descriptors located in each project's
CVS.
That way the project manages their own descriptor.
Granted, I have just been toying with it. I should have JDOM working that
way for JJAR Real Soon Now, which will be a more substantial test...
Geir
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Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by josh lucas <lu...@collab.net>.
On Wed, 2001-08-29 at 07:22, Sam Ruby wrote:
> First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go into a
> long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise - as long as it
> looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the functionally
> included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
Agreed.. Let's keep it here.
>
> Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will live on.
>
> Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining his own
> project defintions. I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
> support. This is related to the question above as the level of granularity
> for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
>
I think that project folk should be able to adjust their descriptors so
it will just be a matter of figuring out the best way to handle it.
josh
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Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@apache.org>.
On 8/29/01 11:09 AM, "John Morrison" <jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Is GUMP and AntGump growing towards being integrated?
>
>> - Sam Ruby
>
> PS - what is Maven?
Maven is akin to Gump but it creates an object model of a workspace by
mapping all the XML descriptors into Workspace object. In Maven I plug this
workspace object into a Velocity context and generate Ant build files to
checkout projects and perform the builds. The build part isn't working yet
but will soon.
>
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RE: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by John Morrison <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
Hi All,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ruby [mailto:rubys@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2001 3:22 pm
> To: alexandria-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
>
>
> First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go into a
> long term hibernation again, I would say yes.
Agreed.
> Otherwise - as long as it
> looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the functionally
> included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
I too would prefer that the functionality stay together, as long as
Alexandria lives. I admit to not looking at Alexandria - my main focus was
to get GUMP working within my own environment. From what little I know of
Alexandria it's a 'library' of JavaDocs(?). Would it be reasonable to
enhance GUMP to generate these too?
> Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria
> will live on.
Definitely - Good luck Josh!
> Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in
> maintaining his own
> project definitions. I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
> support.
I'll admit to being unsure about this. Part of me says to competition is
good and part says that cooperation (if possible) is better. Huh, I think
I'm +0 as long as there is one set and only one. If Victor wants to
create/maintain his own I think that GUMP should be capable of using them
and I think Victor ought to remember that GUMP _wants_ to use them and help
make it easy(ish) for us to do so :)
> This is related to the question above as the level of
> granularity
> for karma is at the cvs module level.
What is Sam? Who maintains things?
> Thoughts?
Is GUMP and AntGump growing towards being integrated?
> - Sam Ruby
PS - what is Maven?
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RE: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by John Morrison <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
+1 on the seperate repository. I think that commit access requires active
participation + commit status for one or more _other_ Apache projects.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Sanders [mailto:sanders@totalsync.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2001 10:18 pm
> To: alexandria-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
>
>
> + 1 on the separate repository. Would we just give access to
> anyone who is
> willing to maintain a project descriptor?
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "josh lucas" <lu...@collab.net>
> To: <al...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
>
>
> > On Wed, 2001-08-29 at 08:10, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > > On 8/29/01 10:22 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go
> into a
> > > > long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise -
> as long as
> it
> > > > looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the
> functionally
> > > > included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
> > >
> > > I would like it to stay too, I think the inter-project build and
> continuous
> > > integration ideas are ones that belong in alexandria.
> > >
> > > > Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will
> live on.
> > > >
> > > > Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining
> his own
> > > > project defintions.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I don't know which Victor you're talking about :-)
> > >
> > > > I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
> > > > support. This is related to the question above as the level of
> granularity
> > > > for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > I think any project that wants to maintain their descriptor should be
> free
> > > to do so. How about putting the descriptors themselves in a separate
> > > repository and allow access to anyone on a project that requests it?
> > >
> >
> > +1 on a separate repository.
> >
> >
> > josh
> >
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Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by Scott Sanders <sa...@totalsync.com>.
+ 1 on the separate repository. Would we just give access to anyone who is
willing to maintain a project descriptor?
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "josh lucas" <lu...@collab.net>
To: <al...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
> On Wed, 2001-08-29 at 08:10, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > On 8/29/01 10:22 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> > > First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go
into a
> > > long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise - as long as
it
> > > looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the
functionally
> > > included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
> >
> > I would like it to stay too, I think the inter-project build and
continuous
> > integration ideas are ones that belong in alexandria.
> >
> > > Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will
live on.
> > >
> > > Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining
his own
> > > project defintions.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't know which Victor you're talking about :-)
> >
> > > I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
> > > support. This is related to the question above as the level of
granularity
> > > for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
> >
> > I think any project that wants to maintain their descriptor should be
free
> > to do so. How about putting the descriptors themselves in a separate
> > repository and allow access to anyone on a project that requests it?
> >
>
> +1 on a separate repository.
>
>
> josh
>
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Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by josh lucas <lu...@collab.net>.
On Wed, 2001-08-29 at 08:10, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On 8/29/01 10:22 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go into a
> > long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise - as long as it
> > looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the functionally
> > included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
>
> I would like it to stay too, I think the inter-project build and continuous
> integration ideas are ones that belong in alexandria.
>
> > Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will live on.
> >
> > Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining his own
> > project defintions.
>
> Sorry, I don't know which Victor you're talking about :-)
>
> > I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
> > support. This is related to the question above as the level of granularity
> > for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
>
> I think any project that wants to maintain their descriptor should be free
> to do so. How about putting the descriptors themselves in a separate
> repository and allow access to anyone on a project that requests it?
>
+1 on a separate repository.
josh
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Re: Should Gump/AntGump/Maven become a separate project?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@apache.org>.
On 8/29/01 10:22 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> First my thoughts - should Alexandria look like it was going to go into a
> long term hibernation again, I would say yes. Otherwise - as long as it
> looks like there is a hope that Alexandria would subsume the functionally
> included by Gump, I would prefer it stay here.
I would like it to stay too, I think the inter-project build and continuous
integration ideas are ones that belong in alexandria.
> Josh's joining the project rekindles the hope that Alexandria will live on.
>
> Follow-on question: Victor has expressed an interest in maintaining his own
> project defintions.
Sorry, I don't know which Victor you're talking about :-)
> I'm inclined to put this to a vote, and indicate my
> support. This is related to the question above as the level of granularity
> for karma is at the cvs module level. Thoughts?
I think any project that wants to maintain their descriptor should be free
to do so. How about putting the descriptors themselves in a separate
repository and allow access to anyone on a project that requests it?
So we could put the descriptors, dtd, xdocs for the descriptors and possibly
the object model in a separate repository and gump/maven/antgump so that any
tool can utilize what's where.
> - Sam Ruby
>
>
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