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[VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Hi Folks,
Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
[ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
Lewis
===================
HTrace
HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
written in java.
HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
1. -
2. -
3. -
Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?
The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
How has the community developed since the last report?
It has not.
How has the project developed since the last report?
It has not.
How would you assess the podling's maturity?
Please feel free to add your own commentary.
[X] Initial setup
[X] Working towards first release
[X] Community building
[ ] Nearing graduation
[X] Other: No actiity.
Date of last release:
2016-03-04
When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
2016-10-03
Signed-off-by:
[ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
Comments:
[ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
Comments:
[X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
"HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
podling.
[ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
Comments:
[ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
Comments:
[ ](htrace) Michael Stack
--
http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
[RESULT] WAS Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Folks,
OK, 72 hours has well and truly come and gone... many times over. I am therefore going to close with a RESULT.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
Lewis John McGibbney
Sean Busby
Jake Farrell
Mike Drob
Michael Stack
Masatake Iwasaki
[0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
I will therefore progress with drafting the retirement documentation and follow the progress.
Thanks all for the effort during the Incubation. Not all podling efforts work out.
Lewis
On 2018/03/08 14:49:23, lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
>
> ===================
>
> HTrace
>
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
>
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
> 1. -
> 2. -
> 3. -
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>
> [X] Initial setup
> [X] Working towards first release
> [X] Community building
> [ ] Nearing graduation
> [X] Other: No actiity.
>
> Date of last release:
>
> 2016-03-04
>
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>
> 2016-10-03
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
> [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> Comments:
> [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
> happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
> [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by stack <sa...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Lewis.
With heavy heart, +1 on retire.
St.Ack
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 6:49 AM lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
>
> ===================
>
> HTrace
>
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
>
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
> 1. -
> 2. -
> 3. -
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>
> [X] Initial setup
> [X] Working towards first release
> [X] Community building
> [ ] Nearing graduation
> [X] Other: No actiity.
>
> Date of last release:
>
> 2016-03-04
>
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>
> 2016-10-03
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
> [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> Comments:
> [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
> happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
> [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Mike Drob <md...@mdrob.com>.
There's a distinction between the code and the community. The code can be
there, but it certainly feels like there is no community left. If any of
the TLPs want to try to pick it back up, I don't think anybody would stop
them?
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
> That's what I was thinking... retiring indicates not just that it's not
> currently being developed, but that it can't be developed if needed. It
> makes sense for projects to drop it, because they will have no way to patch
> it if there's an issue. And, with something like HTrace, which one embeds
> deep in one's code, projects need to plan ahead for that contingency,
> rather than use it until there's an issue.
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM Billie Rinaldi <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active
> development,
> > but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it
> > as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would
> > continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be
> > preferable to retirement. I'd be on board if a TLP wanted to adopt htrace
> > as a subproject, but I also expect I will continue to only have time for
> > votes and not development.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to retire.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this
> personally,
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Christopher,
> > > > >
> > > > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > HDFS's efforts.
> > > > >
> > > > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
> > replaced
> > > > by
> > > > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> > > > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> > > > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
> > make
> > > it
> > > > a more generic thing in a separate community.
> > > >
> > > > -Todd
> > > >
> > >
> > > In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making
> > it
> > > a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
> > > now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and
> pushing
> > it
> > > towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved
> (ASF
> > > requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
> > HTrace
> > > for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what
> > will
> > > happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't
> > think
> > > there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but
> maybe
> > it
> > > will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Christopher <ct...@apache.org>.
That's what I was thinking... retiring indicates not just that it's not
currently being developed, but that it can't be developed if needed. It
makes sense for projects to drop it, because they will have no way to patch
it if there's an issue. And, with something like HTrace, which one embeds
deep in one's code, projects need to plan ahead for that contingency,
rather than use it until there's an issue.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM Billie Rinaldi <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active development,
> but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it
> as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would
> continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be
> preferable to retirement. I'd be on board if a TLP wanted to adopt htrace
> as a subproject, but I also expect I will continue to only have time for
> votes and not development.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 to retire.
> > > >
> > > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
> > and
> > > I
> > > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Christopher,
> > > >
> > > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
> out
> > > of
> > > > HDFS's efforts.
> > > >
> > > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
> replaced
> > > by
> > > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> > > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> > > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
> make
> > it
> > > a more generic thing in a separate community.
> > >
> > > -Todd
> > >
> >
> > In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making
> it
> > a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
> > now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing
> it
> > towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
> > requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
> HTrace
> > for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what
> will
> > happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't
> think
> > there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe
> it
> > will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Billie Rinaldi <bi...@gmail.com>.
I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active development,
but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it
as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would
continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be
preferable to retirement. I'd be on board if a TLP wanted to adopt htrace
as a subproject, but I also expect I will continue to only have time for
votes and not development.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to retire.
> > >
> > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
> and
> > I
> > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> > >
> > >
> > > Christopher,
> > >
> > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out
> > of
> > > HDFS's efforts.
> > >
> > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced
> > by
> > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
> >
> >
> > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to make
> it
> > a more generic thing in a separate community.
> >
> > -Todd
> >
>
> In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making it
> a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
> now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing it
> towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
> requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging HTrace
> for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what will
> happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't think
> there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe it
> will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
>
Re: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Adrian and HTrace community.
Glad to be invited. I am the creator and PPMC of SkyWaking, which is a new
incubator project: https://incubator.apache.org/projects/skywalking.html
Right now, SkyWalking provide Agent based SDK, such OpenTracing APIs and
our own APIs. But I am not familiar with HTrace's APIs. But there is two
very easy ways
1. Add a new module to provide a library
2. Provide another API library with the agent.
Or HTrace community guys have any suggestion.
Anyway, I and skywalking team want to help.
2018-03-09 8:01 GMT+08:00 Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>:
> I forget.. does skywalking have a standalone tracing library or is it
> agent only? Can it help to do things htrace was doing?
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> Date: 9 Mar 2018 6:01 am
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
> To: <de...@htrace.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 to retire.
>> > >
>> > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
>> and
>> > I
>> > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Christopher,
>> > >
>> > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
>> out
>> > of
>> > > HDFS's efforts.
>> > >
>> > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
>> replaced
>> > by
>> > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
>> >
>> >
>> > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
>> > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
>> > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
>> make it
>> > a more generic thing in a separate community.
>> >
>> > -Todd
>> >
>>
>> In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making it
>> a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
>> now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing
>> it
>> towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
>> requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
>> HTrace
>> for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what will
>> happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't think
>> there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe
>> it
>> will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
>>
>
Re: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Adrian and HTrace community.
Glad to be invited. I am the creator and PPMC of SkyWaking, which is a new
incubator project: https://incubator.apache.org/projects/skywalking.html
Right now, SkyWalking provide Agent based SDK, such OpenTracing APIs and
our own APIs. But I am not familiar with HTrace's APIs. But there is two
very easy ways
1. Add a new module to provide a library
2. Provide another API library with the agent.
Or HTrace community guys have any suggestion.
Anyway, I and skywalking team want to help.
2018-03-09 8:01 GMT+08:00 Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>:
> I forget.. does skywalking have a standalone tracing library or is it
> agent only? Can it help to do things htrace was doing?
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Christopher" <ct...@apache.org>
> Date: 9 Mar 2018 6:01 am
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
> To: <de...@htrace.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 to retire.
>> > >
>> > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
>> and
>> > I
>> > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Christopher,
>> > >
>> > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
>> out
>> > of
>> > > HDFS's efforts.
>> > >
>> > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
>> replaced
>> > by
>> > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
>> >
>> >
>> > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
>> > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
>> > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
>> make it
>> > a more generic thing in a separate community.
>> >
>> > -Todd
>> >
>>
>> In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making it
>> a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
>> now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing
>> it
>> towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
>> requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
>> HTrace
>> for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what will
>> happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't think
>> there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe
>> it
>> will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Christopher <ct...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 to retire.
> >
> > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and
> I
> > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> >
> >
> > Christopher,
> >
> > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out
> of
> > HDFS's efforts.
> >
> > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced
> by
> > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
>
>
> Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to make it
> a more generic thing in a separate community.
>
> -Todd
>
In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making it
a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing it
towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging HTrace
for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what will
happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't think
there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe it
will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Todd Lipcon <to...@cloudera.com>.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 to retire.
>
> This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and I
> do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
>
>
> Christopher,
>
> HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out of
> HDFS's efforts.
>
> They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced by
> HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to make it
a more generic thing in a separate community.
-Todd
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the
> first
> > thread I've seen on this :(
> >
> > Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I
> think
> > much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace")
> ,
> > it's a shame that this project did not graduate as a subproject of
> Accumulo
> > or something, if nothing else.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jake Farrell <jf...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to retire the HTrace podling
> > >
> > > -Jake
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <
> lewismc@apache.org
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > > > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> > > prevalent
> > > > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > > > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > > > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > > > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide
> justification)
> > > > Lewis
> > > >
> > > > ===================
> > > >
> > > > HTrace
> > > >
> > > > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed
> systems
> > > > written in java.
> > > >
> > > > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> > > >
> > > > Three most important issues to address in the move towards
> graduation:
> > > >
> > > > 1. -
> > > > 2. -
> > > > 3. -
> > > >
> > > > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > > > aware of?
> > > >
> > > > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > > > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > > > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks
> > like
> > > > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> > > >
> > > > How has the community developed since the last report?
> > > >
> > > > It has not.
> > > >
> > > > How has the project developed since the last report?
> > > >
> > > > It has not.
> > > >
> > > > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > > > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> > > >
> > > > [X] Initial setup
> > > > [X] Working towards first release
> > > > [X] Community building
> > > > [ ] Nearing graduation
> > > > [X] Other: No actiity.
> > > >
> > > > Date of last release:
> > > >
> > > > 2016-03-04
> > > >
> > > > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> > > >
> > > > 2016-10-03
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by:
> > > >
> > > > [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > > > Comments:
> > > > [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > > > Comments:
> > > > [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > > > Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > > > "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > > > work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that
> does
> > > not
> > > > happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore
> retire
> > > the
> > > > podling.
> > > > [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > > > Comments:
> > > > [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> > > > Comments:
> > > > [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > > > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Mike Drob <md...@apache.org>.
+1 to retire.
This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and I
do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
Christopher,
HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out of
HDFS's efforts.
They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced by
HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
Mike
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Christopher <ct...@apache.org> wrote:
> I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the first
> thread I've seen on this :(
>
> Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I think
> much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace"),
> it's a shame that this project did not graduate as a subproject of Accumulo
> or something, if nothing else.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jake Farrell <jf...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 to retire the HTrace podling
> >
> > -Jake
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <lewismc@apache.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> > prevalent
> > > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > > Lewis
> > >
> > > ===================
> > >
> > > HTrace
> > >
> > > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > > written in java.
> > >
> > > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> > >
> > > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> > >
> > > 1. -
> > > 2. -
> > > 3. -
> > >
> > > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > > aware of?
> > >
> > > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks
> like
> > > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> > >
> > > How has the community developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How has the project developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> > >
> > > [X] Initial setup
> > > [X] Working towards first release
> > > [X] Community building
> > > [ ] Nearing graduation
> > > [X] Other: No actiity.
> > >
> > > Date of last release:
> > >
> > > 2016-03-04
> > >
> > > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> > >
> > > 2016-10-03
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by:
> > >
> > > [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > > Comments:
> > > [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > > Comments:
> > > [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > > Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > > "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > > work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> > not
> > > happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> > the
> > > podling.
> > > [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > > Comments:
> > > [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> > > Comments:
> > > [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Christopher <ct...@apache.org>.
I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the first
thread I've seen on this :(
Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I think
much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace"),
it's a shame that this project did not graduate as a subproject of Accumulo
or something, if nothing else.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jake Farrell <jf...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 to retire the HTrace podling
>
> -Jake
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> prevalent
> > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > Lewis
> >
> > ===================
> >
> > HTrace
> >
> > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > written in java.
> >
> > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> >
> > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> >
> > 1. -
> > 2. -
> > 3. -
> >
> > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > aware of?
> >
> > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> >
> > How has the community developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How has the project developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> >
> > [X] Initial setup
> > [X] Working towards first release
> > [X] Community building
> > [ ] Nearing graduation
> > [X] Other: No actiity.
> >
> > Date of last release:
> >
> > 2016-03-04
> >
> > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> >
> > 2016-10-03
> >
> > Signed-off-by:
> >
> > [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > Comments:
> > [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > Comments:
> > [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> not
> > happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> the
> > podling.
> > [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > Comments:
> > [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> > Comments:
> > [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> >
> > --
> > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Jake Farrell <jf...@apache.org>.
+1 to retire the HTrace podling
-Jake
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
>
> ===================
>
> HTrace
>
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
>
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
> 1. -
> 2. -
> 3. -
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>
> [X] Initial setup
> [X] Working towards first release
> [X] Community building
> [ ] Nearing graduation
> [X] Other: No actiity.
>
> Date of last release:
>
> 2016-03-04
>
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>
> 2016-10-03
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
> [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> Comments:
> [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
> happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
> [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by Sean Busbey <bu...@apache.org>.
+1 retire. Thanks for making a go of it folks. Hope to see the work leveraged in the future.
On 2018/03/08 14:49:23, lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
>
> ===================
>
> HTrace
>
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
>
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
> 1. -
> 2. -
> 3. -
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>
> [X] Initial setup
> [X] Working towards first release
> [X] Community building
> [ ] Nearing graduation
> [X] Other: No actiity.
>
> Date of last release:
>
> 2016-03-04
>
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>
> 2016-10-03
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
> [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> Comments:
> [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
> happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
> [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> Comments:
> [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
Fwd: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
Posted by lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi HTrace PPMC,
I thought I would directly pass on the below VOTE for consideration.
Thanks
Lewis
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM
Subject: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
To: dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org
Hi Folks,
Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
[ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
Lewis
===================
HTrace
HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
written in java.
HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
1. -
2. -
3. -
Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?
The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
How has the community developed since the last report?
It has not.
How has the project developed since the last report?
It has not.
How would you assess the podling's maturity?
Please feel free to add your own commentary.
[X] Initial setup
[X] Working towards first release
[X] Community building
[ ] Nearing graduation
[X] Other: No actiity.
Date of last release:
2016-03-04
When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
2016-10-03
Signed-off-by:
[ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
Comments:
[ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
Comments:
[X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
"HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
podling.
[ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
Comments:
[ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
Comments:
[ ](htrace) Michael Stack
--
http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
--
http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc