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Posted to user@flink.apache.org by Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com> on 2018/08/25 15:07:50 UTC
would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Hi all,
This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also use
slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
email with a "+1".
[FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use Slack
for user support and questions
Current status
For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also a
chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC
activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the project's
activity
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
.
The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If you
want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
Option 1: Use Slack
An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
<https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
http://mesos.apache.org/community
I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
beginning.
Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
Add the missing section
<https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at the
website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
Option 3: Use only the mailing list
Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do not
mention IRC at the website.
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
I fully agree with Fabian, we'd just be replacing an empty IRC with an
empty gitter.
On 27.08.2018 09:50, Fabian Hueske wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think that recommending Gists is a good idea.
> Sure, well formatted and highlighted code is nice and much better than
> posting screenshots but Gists can be deleted.
> Deleting a Gist would make an archived thread useless.
> I would definitely support instructions on how to add code to a mail.
>
> Regarding the overall topic of some kind of chat room.
> I would not participate in that.
> The Flink user mailing list is one of the most active user lists of
> the ASF.
> It's already quite challenging to keep up with the loads of mails.
> Adding a synchronous channel to that would make things worse for me.
> (That's probably also one of the reasons why the IRC channel is
> abandoned.)
> I can of course only speak for myself, but I would imaging that many
> members of the community who are helping out on the mailing list feel
> the same.
>
> Best,
> Fabian
>
> Am So., 26. Aug. 2018 um 15:17 Uhr schrieb Nicos Maris
> <nicos.maris@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>
> Hi Dominik,
>
> I was writing about gitter just now :)
>
> If searchability is an issue, then indeed we could consider the
> free plan of gitter: https://billing.gitter.im
> <https://billing.gitter.im/>
>
>
> In any case, we should instruct users who paste code snippets at
> the mailing list to use http://gist.github.com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:13 PM Dominik Wosiński <wossyn@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Dominik Wosiński* <wossyn@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>
> Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
> Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
> To: Hequn Cheng <chenghequn@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> Hey,
> I have been facing this issue for multiple open source
> projects and discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main
> issues :
>
> - the already mentioned issue with searching,
> through search engine
>
> - Slack is still commercial application.
>
> The second issue is quite important, because for free version
> Slack gives 10k messages of history. I personally think that
> for Flink this would to loss all messages that are older than
> a week possibly. This is the big issue as it woul most
> certainly lead to asking the same questions over and over
> again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects
> where the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure
> nightmare.
>
> The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if
> there is need for such way of communication.
>
> Best Regards,
> Dominik.
>
> Wysłane z aplikacji Poczta
> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> dla Windows 10
>
> *Od: *Hequn Cheng <ma...@gmail.com>
> *Wysłano: *niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2018 14:37
> *Do: *Nicos Maris <ma...@gmail.com>
> *DW: *chesnay@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>; user
> <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> *Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>
> Hi Nicos,
>
> Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
>
> Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit
> for the open source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up
> and can not be searched through search engine.
>
> Best, Hequn
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris
> <nicos.maris@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
>
> https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler
> <chesnay@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
> There have been previous discussions around using
> slack and they were rejected.
>
> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm
> not aware of any committer actually spending time there.
>
> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> This mailing list is for user support and
> questions. If you would also use slack for user
> support and questions, then please vote at the
> following ticket. If you don't have an account at
> that jira, you can reply to this email with a "+1".
>
> [FLINK-10217
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
> Slack for user support and questions
>
>
> Current status
>
> For user support and questions, users are
> instructed to subscribe to user@flink.apache.org
> <ma...@flink.apache.org> but there are users
> like me who enjoy using also a chat channel.
> However, the instructions to do so are not clear
> and the IRC activity is low and it is definitely
> not indicative of the project's activity
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>.
>
> The website
> <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions
> that "If you want to talk with the Flink
> committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
> channel
> <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
>
>
> Option 1: Use Slack
>
> An example of an Apache project that is using
> Slack
> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>
> I can assist on setting it up if at least one
> expert joins from the very beginning.
>
>
> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>
> Add the missing section
> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
> the website along with instructions for people who
> have never used IRC.
>
>
> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>
> Use only user@flink.apache.org
> <ma...@flink.apache.org> for user support
> and questions and do not mention IRC at the website.
>
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nicos,
That looks like a good start!
Would you like to open n issue and a pull request?
Thanks, Fabian
Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com> schrieb am Mo., 27. Aug. 2018, 17:49:
> I agree with you Fabian.
>
> The question then is how to instruct users to add code to their email.
> What about the following? Where should it be placed?
>
>
> If you send us an email with a code snippet, make sure that:
>
> 1. you do not link to files in external services as such files can change,
> get deleted or the link might break and thus make an archived email thread
> useless
> 2. you paste text instead of screenshots of text
> 3. you keep formatting when pasting code in order to keep the code readable
> 4. there are enough import statements to avoid ambiguities
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:51 AM Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't think that recommending Gists is a good idea.
>> Sure, well formatted and highlighted code is nice and much better than
>> posting screenshots but Gists can be deleted.
>> Deleting a Gist would make an archived thread useless.
>> I would definitely support instructions on how to add code to a mail.
>>
>> Regarding the overall topic of some kind of chat room.
>> I would not participate in that.
>> The Flink user mailing list is one of the most active user lists of the
>> ASF.
>> It's already quite challenging to keep up with the loads of mails.
>> Adding a synchronous channel to that would make things worse for me.
>> (That's probably also one of the reasons why the IRC channel is abandoned.)
>> I can of course only speak for myself, but I would imaging that many
>> members of the community who are helping out on the mailing list feel the
>> same.
>>
>> Best,
>> Fabian
>>
>> Am So., 26. Aug. 2018 um 15:17 Uhr schrieb Nicos Maris <
>> nicos.maris@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Dominik,
>>>
>>> I was writing about gitter just now :)
>>>
>>> If searchability is an issue, then indeed we could consider the free
>>> plan of gitter: https://billing.gitter.im
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case, we should instruct users who paste code snippets at the
>>> mailing list to use http://gist.github.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:13 PM Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
>>>> Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>>>> To: Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>> I have been facing this issue for multiple open source projects and
>>>> discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main issues :
>>>>
>>>> - the already mentioned issue with searching, through
>>>> search engine
>>>>
>>>> - Slack is still commercial application.
>>>>
>>>> The second issue is quite important, because for free version Slack
>>>> gives 10k messages of history. I personally think that for Flink this would
>>>> to loss all messages that are older than a week possibly. This is the big
>>>> issue as it woul most certainly lead to asking the same questions over and
>>>> over again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects where
>>>> the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if there is
>>>> need for such way of communication.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dominik.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wysłane z aplikacji Poczta
>>>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> dla Windows 10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Od: *Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Wysłano: *niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2018 14:37
>>>> *Do: *Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
>>>> *DW: *chesnay@apache.org; user <us...@flink.apache.org>
>>>> *Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nicos,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit for the
>>>> open source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up and can not be
>>>> searched through search engine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best, Hequn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
>>>> rejected.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
>>>> committer actually spending time there.
>>>>
>>>> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also
>>>> use slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
>>>> ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
>>>> email with a "+1".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
>>>> Slack for user support and questions
>>>> Current status
>>>>
>>>> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
>>>> user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also
>>>> a chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the
>>>> IRC activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the
>>>> project's activity
>>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that
>>>> "If you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there
>>>> is an IRC channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
>>>> Option 1: Use Slack
>>>>
>>>> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
>>>> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
>>>> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>>>>
>>>> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the
>>>> very beginning.
>>>> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>>>>
>>>> Add the missing section
>>>> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
>>>> the website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
>>>> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>>>>
>>>> Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do
>>>> not mention IRC at the website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>.
I agree with you Fabian.
The question then is how to instruct users to add code to their email. What
about the following? Where should it be placed?
If you send us an email with a code snippet, make sure that:
1. you do not link to files in external services as such files can change,
get deleted or the link might break and thus make an archived email thread
useless
2. you paste text instead of screenshots of text
3. you keep formatting when pasting code in order to keep the code readable
4. there are enough import statements to avoid ambiguities
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:51 AM Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think that recommending Gists is a good idea.
> Sure, well formatted and highlighted code is nice and much better than
> posting screenshots but Gists can be deleted.
> Deleting a Gist would make an archived thread useless.
> I would definitely support instructions on how to add code to a mail.
>
> Regarding the overall topic of some kind of chat room.
> I would not participate in that.
> The Flink user mailing list is one of the most active user lists of the
> ASF.
> It's already quite challenging to keep up with the loads of mails.
> Adding a synchronous channel to that would make things worse for me.
> (That's probably also one of the reasons why the IRC channel is abandoned.)
> I can of course only speak for myself, but I would imaging that many
> members of the community who are helping out on the mailing list feel the
> same.
>
> Best,
> Fabian
>
> Am So., 26. Aug. 2018 um 15:17 Uhr schrieb Nicos Maris <
> nicos.maris@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Dominik,
>>
>> I was writing about gitter just now :)
>>
>> If searchability is an issue, then indeed we could consider the free plan
>> of gitter: https://billing.gitter.im
>>
>>
>> In any case, we should instruct users who paste code snippets at the
>> mailing list to use http://gist.github.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:13 PM Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
>>> Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>>> To: Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>> I have been facing this issue for multiple open source projects and
>>> discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main issues :
>>>
>>> - the already mentioned issue with searching, through
>>> search engine
>>>
>>> - Slack is still commercial application.
>>>
>>> The second issue is quite important, because for free version Slack
>>> gives 10k messages of history. I personally think that for Flink this would
>>> to loss all messages that are older than a week possibly. This is the big
>>> issue as it woul most certainly lead to asking the same questions over and
>>> over again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects where
>>> the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure nightmare.
>>>
>>> The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if there is
>>> need for such way of communication.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dominik.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wysłane z aplikacji Poczta
>>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> dla Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Od: *Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>>> *Wysłano: *niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2018 14:37
>>> *Do: *Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
>>> *DW: *chesnay@apache.org; user <us...@flink.apache.org>
>>> *Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Nicos,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
>>>
>>> Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit for the
>>> open source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up and can not be
>>> searched through search engine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best, Hequn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
>>> rejected.
>>>
>>> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
>>> committer actually spending time there.
>>>
>>> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also
>>> use slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
>>> ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
>>> email with a "+1".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
>>> Slack for user support and questions
>>> Current status
>>>
>>> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
>>> user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also
>>> a chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the
>>> IRC activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the
>>> project's activity
>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
>>> .
>>>
>>> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If
>>> you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
>>> channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
>>> Option 1: Use Slack
>>>
>>> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
>>> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
>>> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>>>
>>> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
>>> beginning.
>>> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>>>
>>> Add the missing section
>>> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
>>> the website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
>>> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>>>
>>> Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do
>>> not mention IRC at the website.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I don't think that recommending Gists is a good idea.
Sure, well formatted and highlighted code is nice and much better than
posting screenshots but Gists can be deleted.
Deleting a Gist would make an archived thread useless.
I would definitely support instructions on how to add code to a mail.
Regarding the overall topic of some kind of chat room.
I would not participate in that.
The Flink user mailing list is one of the most active user lists of the
ASF.
It's already quite challenging to keep up with the loads of mails.
Adding a synchronous channel to that would make things worse for me.
(That's probably also one of the reasons why the IRC channel is abandoned.)
I can of course only speak for myself, but I would imaging that many
members of the community who are helping out on the mailing list feel the
same.
Best,
Fabian
Am So., 26. Aug. 2018 um 15:17 Uhr schrieb Nicos Maris <
nicos.maris@gmail.com>:
> Hi Dominik,
>
> I was writing about gitter just now :)
>
> If searchability is an issue, then indeed we could consider the free plan
> of gitter: https://billing.gitter.im
>
>
> In any case, we should instruct users who paste code snippets at the
> mailing list to use http://gist.github.com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:13 PM Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
>> Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
>> Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>> To: Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hey,
>> I have been facing this issue for multiple open source projects and
>> discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main issues :
>>
>> - the already mentioned issue with searching, through search
>> engine
>>
>> - Slack is still commercial application.
>>
>> The second issue is quite important, because for free version Slack gives
>> 10k messages of history. I personally think that for Flink this would to
>> loss all messages that are older than a week possibly. This is the big
>> issue as it woul most certainly lead to asking the same questions over and
>> over again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects where
>> the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure nightmare.
>>
>> The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if there is
>> need for such way of communication.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Dominik.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wysłane z aplikacji Poczta
>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> dla Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *Od: *Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>> *Wysłano: *niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2018 14:37
>> *Do: *Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
>> *DW: *chesnay@apache.org; user <us...@flink.apache.org>
>> *Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Nicos,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
>>
>> Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit for the
>> open source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up and can not be
>> searched through search engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Hequn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
>> rejected.
>>
>> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
>> committer actually spending time there.
>>
>> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also
>> use slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
>> ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
>> email with a "+1".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
>> Slack for user support and questions
>> Current status
>>
>> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
>> user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also a
>> chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC
>> activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the project's
>> activity
>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
>> .
>>
>> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If
>> you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
>> channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
>> Option 1: Use Slack
>>
>> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
>> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
>> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>>
>> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
>> beginning.
>> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>>
>> Add the missing section
>> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
>> the website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
>> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>>
>> Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do not
>> mention IRC at the website.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dominik,
I was writing about gitter just now :)
If searchability is an issue, then indeed we could consider the free plan
of gitter: https://billing.gitter.im
In any case, we should instruct users who paste code snippets at the
mailing list to use http://gist.github.com
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:13 PM Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
> Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
> Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
> To: Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hey,
> I have been facing this issue for multiple open source projects and
> discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main issues :
>
> - the already mentioned issue with searching, through search
> engine
>
> - Slack is still commercial application.
>
> The second issue is quite important, because for free version Slack gives
> 10k messages of history. I personally think that for Flink this would to
> loss all messages that are older than a week possibly. This is the big
> issue as it woul most certainly lead to asking the same questions over and
> over again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects where
> the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure nightmare.
>
> The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if there is
> need for such way of communication.
>
> Best Regards,
> Dominik.
>
>
>
> Wysłane z aplikacji Poczta
> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> dla Windows 10
>
>
>
> *Od: *Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
> *Wysłano: *niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2018 14:37
> *Do: *Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
> *DW: *chesnay@apache.org; user <us...@flink.apache.org>
> *Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
>
>
>
> Hi Nicos,
>
>
>
> Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
>
> Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit for the open
> source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up and can not be searched
> through search engine.
>
>
>
> Best, Hequn
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
>
>
>
> https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
> rejected.
>
> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
> committer actually spending time there.
>
> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
>
>
> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also use
> slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
> ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
> email with a "+1".
>
>
>
>
>
> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
> Slack for user support and questions
> Current status
>
> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
> user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also a
> chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC
> activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the project's
> activity
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
> .
>
> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If
> you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
> channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
> Option 1: Use Slack
>
> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>
> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
> beginning.
> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>
> Add the missing section
> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at the
> website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>
> Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do not
> mention IRC at the website.
>
>
>
>
>
Fwd: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dominik Wosiński <wo...@gmail.com>
Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
To: Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
Hey,
I have been facing this issue for multiple open source projects and
discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main issues :
- the already mentioned issue with searching, through search
engine
- Slack is still commercial application.
The second issue is quite important, because for free version Slack gives
10k messages of history. I personally think that for Flink this would to
loss all messages that are older than a week possibly. This is the big
issue as it woul most certainly lead to asking the same questions over and
over again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects where
the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure nightmare.
The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if there is need
for such way of communication.
Best Regards,
Dominik.
Wysłane z aplikacji Poczta <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
dla Windows 10
*Od: *Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>
*Wysłano: *niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2018 14:37
*Do: *Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>
*DW: *chesnay@apache.org; user <us...@flink.apache.org>
*Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Hi Nicos,
Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit for the open
source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up and can not be searched
through search engine.
Best, Hequn
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
rejected.
Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
committer actually spending time there.
On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
Hi all,
This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also use
slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
email with a "+1".
[FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use Slack
for user support and questions
Current status
For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also a
chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC
activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the project's
activity
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
.
The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If you
want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
Option 1: Use Slack
An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
<https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
http://mesos.apache.org/community
I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
beginning.
Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
Add the missing section
<https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at the
website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
Option 3: Use only the mailing list
Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do not
mention IRC at the website.
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Hequn Cheng <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nicos,
Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit for the open
source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up and can not be searched
through search engine.
Best, Hequn
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
>
> https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
>> rejected.
>>
>> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
>> committer actually spending time there.
>>
>> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also
>> use slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
>> ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
>> email with a "+1".
>>
>>
>> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
>> Slack for user support and questions
>>
>> Current status
>>
>> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
>> user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also a
>> chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC
>> activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the project's
>> activity
>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
>> .
>>
>> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If
>> you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
>> channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
>> Option 1: Use Slack
>>
>> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
>> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
>> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>>
>> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
>> beginning.
>> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>>
>> Add the missing section
>> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
>> the website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
>> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>>
>> Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do not
>> mention IRC at the website.
>>
>>
>>
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Nicos Maris <ni...@gmail.com>.
Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
> There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
> rejected.
>
> Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
> committer actually spending time there.
>
> On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also use
> slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the following
> ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can reply to this
> email with a "+1".
>
>
> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
> Slack for user support and questions
>
> Current status
>
> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
> user@flink.apache.org but there are users like me who enjoy using also a
> chat channel. However, the instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC
> activity is low and it is definitely not indicative of the project's
> activity
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>
> .
>
> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that "If
> you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
> channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
> Option 1: Use Slack
>
> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>
> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the very
> beginning.
> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>
> Add the missing section
> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at the
> website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>
> Use only user@flink.apache.org for user support and questions and do not
> mention IRC at the website.
>
>
>
Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
There have been previous discussions around using slack and they were
rejected.
Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm not aware of any
committer actually spending time there.
On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> This mailing list is for user support and questions. If you would also
> use slack for user support and questions, then please vote at the
> following ticket. If you don't have an account at that jira, you can
> reply to this email with a "+1".
>
>
> [FLINK-10217 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
> Slack for user support and questions
>
>
>
> Current status
>
> For user support and questions, users are instructed to subscribe to
> user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org> but there are
> users like me who enjoy using also a chat channel. However, the
> instructions to do so are not clear and the IRC activity is low and it
> is definitely not indicative of the project's activity
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>.
>
> The website <https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions that
> "If you want to talk with the Flink committers and users in a chat,
> there is an IRC channel <https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
>
>
> Option 1: Use Slack
>
> An example of an Apache project that is using Slack
> <https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
> http://mesos.apache.org/community
>
> I can assist on setting it up if at least one expert joins from the
> very beginning.
>
>
> Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
>
> Add the missing section
> <https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
> the website along with instructions for people who have never used IRC.
>
>
> Option 3: Use only the mailing list
>
> Use only user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org> for user
> support and questions and do not mention IRC at the website.
>