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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net> on 2006/04/06 23:30:16 UTC
required_hits not working?
I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
required_hits 6.9
Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
coming from?
Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
Thanks in advance...
Ed Kasky
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Ed Kasky" <ed...@esson.net>
> At 05:36 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, Matt Kettler wrote -=>
>>Ed Kasky wrote:
>> > Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
>> > Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
>> >
>> > My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
>> > OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
>> >
>> > Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf files. A
>> > locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
>> >
>>
>>
>>Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
>>/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
>>
>>Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
>
> ls -al /etc/mail/spamassassin/
> drwxr-xr-x 6 spamd spamd 4096 Apr 6 17:14 .
> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 6 11:34 ..
> -rw-r--r-- 1 spamd spamd 8275 Apr 6 17:14
> /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
>
> Very weird behavior....
Out of curiosity is /home/spamd a jail? If so what is in that jail?
{^_^}
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 05:36 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, Matt Kettler wrote -=>
>Ed Kasky wrote:
> > At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
> >> Ed Kasky wrote:
> >> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
> >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> >> >> > required_hits 6.9
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> >> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> >> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> >> >> > coming from?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
> >> >>
> >> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
> >> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
> >> >> something else?
> >> >>
> >> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
> >> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
> >> >>
> >> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
> >> >
> >> > :0fw
> >> > * < 300000
> >> > | spamc -f -u spamd
> >> >
> >>
> >> Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
> >>
> >> Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
> >> accepted, but
> >> the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
> >> support for
> >> required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
> >> might be worth
> >> changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
> >
> > I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there are
> > any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if that was
> > the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
> >
> > I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using the
> > 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in the cf
> > to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
> > dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
> >
> > Does it round using required_score?
>
>It should behave the same as when using required_hits.
>
>Required_hits is merely an alias for required_score, they can't
>behave differently.
>
> > Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
> > Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
> >
> > My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
> > OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
> >
> > Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf files. A
> > locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
> >
>
>
>Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
>/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
>
>Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
ls -al /etc/mail/spamassassin/
drwxr-xr-x 6 spamd spamd 4096 Apr 6 17:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 6 11:34 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 spamd spamd 8275 Apr 6 17:14
/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
Very weird behavior....
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 05:36 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, Matt Kettler wrote -=>
>Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
>/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
>
>Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
I think I finally found what was causing the problem. I had used
sa-update and it appears that the required_score line in 10_misc.cf
was over-riding local.cf. Will placing the updated files in a
directory other than /usr/share/spamassassin or /var/lib/spamassassin
cause this behavior??
Anyway, I fixed the location of the updated cf's and it's back to the
proper threshold.
If my current default rules dir is /usr/share/spamassassin, and site
rules dir is /etc/mail/spamassassin, what should I use for --updatedir?
Ed
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>.
Ed Kasky wrote:
> At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> Ed Kasky wrote:
>> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
>> >> > required_hits 6.9
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>> >> >
>> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>> >> >
>> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
>> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
>> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
>> >> > coming from?
>> >> >
>> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>> >>
>> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>> >> something else?
>> >>
>> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>> >>
>> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
>> >
>> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
>> >
>> > :0fw
>> > * < 300000
>> > | spamc -f -u spamd
>> >
>>
>> Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
>>
>> Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
>> accepted, but
>> the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
>> support for
>> required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
>> might be worth
>> changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
>
> I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there are
> any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if that was
> the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
>
> I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using the
> 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in the cf
> to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
> dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
>
> Does it round using required_score?
It should behave the same as when using required_hits.
Required_hits is merely an alias for required_score, they can't behave differently.
>
> Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
> Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
>
> My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
> OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
>
> Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf files. A
> locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
>
Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Ed Kasky" <ed...@esson.net>
To: "Matt Kettler" <mk...@evi-inc.com>
Cc: <us...@spamassassin.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 17:26
Subject: Re: required_hits not working?
> At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>>Ed Kasky wrote:
>> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
>> >> > required_hits 6.9
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>> >> >
>> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>> >> >
>> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
>> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
>> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
>> >> > coming from?
>> >> >
>> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>> >>
>> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>> >> something else?
>> >>
>> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>> >>
>> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
>> >
>> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
>> >
>> > :0fw
>> > * < 300000
>> > | spamc -f -u spamd
>> >
>>
>>Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
>>
>>Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
>>accepted, but
>>the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
>>support for
>>required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
>>might be worth
>>changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
>
> I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there
> are any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if
> that was the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
>
> I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using
> the 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in
> the cf to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
> dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
>
> Does it round using required_score?
>
> Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
> Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
>
> My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
> OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
>
> Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf
> files. A locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
Per user rules with default required_score in the user_prefs files?
{^_^}
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>Ed Kasky wrote:
> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> >> > required_hits 6.9
> >> >
> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
> >> >
> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
> >> >
> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> >> > coming from?
> >> >
> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
> >>
> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
> >> something else?
> >>
> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
> >>
> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
> >
> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
> >
> > :0fw
> > * < 300000
> > | spamc -f -u spamd
> >
>
>Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
>
>Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
>accepted, but
>the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
>support for
>required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
>might be worth
>changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there
are any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if
that was the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using
the 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in
the cf to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
Does it round using required_score?
Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf
files. A locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
Ed Kasky
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>.
Ed Kasky wrote:
> At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>>
>> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
>> > required_hits 6.9
>> >
>> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>> >
>> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>> >
>> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
>> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
>> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
>> > coming from?
>> >
>> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>>
>> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>> something else?
>>
>> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>>
>> So we need more information to answer your question.
>
> Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
>
> :0fw
> * < 300000
> | spamc -f -u spamd
>
Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still accepted, but
the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future, support for
required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it might be worth
changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>
> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> > required_hits 6.9
> >
> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
> >
> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
> >
> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> > coming from?
> >
> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>
>What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>something else?
>
>Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>
>So we need more information to answer your question.
Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
:0fw
* < 300000
| spamc -f -u spamd
Thanks...
Ed Kasky
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by David B Funk <db...@engineering.uiowa.edu>.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
> I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> required_hits 6.9
>
> Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>
> Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>
> It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> coming from?
>
> Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
something else?
Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
So we need more information to answer your question.
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<dbfunk (at) engineering.uiowa.edu> College of Engineering
319/335-5751 FAX: 319/384-0549 1256 Seamans Center
Sys_admin/Postmaster/cell_admin Iowa City, IA 52242-1527
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