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Slide and XP drive mapping
XP supports drive mapping of webdav shares. I was wondering whether slide
supports this? I'm having authentication problems when I try this. "Web
Folders" work fine however.
Regards,
Glen Stampoultzis
gstamp@iinet.net.au
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Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Julian Reschke <ju...@gmx.de>.
Daniel Florey wrote:
> Hi Julian,
> thanks again for your great work on the webdav stuff! Your site is a
> great help and a visual pleasure...
> What exactly do you mean by "Network trace shows no outgoing request at
> all." Do you mean the redirector always sends the request on port 80?
> Best regards,
> Daniel
It's not sending the request to the specified port. So either it doesn't
send it all (URL parser failure), or it sends it always to port 80. Let
me know if you find out more.
Regards, Julian
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Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Daniel Florey <df...@apache.org>.
Hi Julian,
thanks again for your great work on the webdav stuff! Your site is a
great help and a visual pleasure...
What exactly do you mean by "Network trace shows no outgoing request at
all." Do you mean the redirector always sends the request on port 80?
Best regards,
Daniel
Julian Reschke wrote:
> Daniel Florey wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> do you know if there are any document around describing the ms
>> specific things of the "Webdav redirector"?
>> It would be nice if slide could be mounted in this way.
>> I think we don't have a choice other than hacking slide to work with
>> ms clients. I don't see that ms cares much about interoperability
>> issues.
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>
>
> As a matter of fact, I just started a new document on it (but it
> probably still needs an introduction)...:
>
> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/webdav-redirector-list.html>
>
> Best regards, Julian
>
>
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Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Julian Reschke <ju...@gmx.de>.
Daniel Florey wrote:
> Hi,
> do you know if there are any document around describing the ms specific
> things of the "Webdav redirector"?
> It would be nice if slide could be mounted in this way.
> I think we don't have a choice other than hacking slide to work with ms
> clients. I don't see that ms cares much about interoperability issues.
> Regards,
> Daniel
As a matter of fact, I just started a new document on it (but it
probably still needs an introduction)...:
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/webdav-redirector-list.html>
Best regards, Julian
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Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Daniel Florey <df...@apache.org>.
Hi,
do you know if there are any document around describing the ms specific
things of the "Webdav redirector"?
It would be nice if slide could be mounted in this way.
I think we don't have a choice other than hacking slide to work with ms
clients. I don't see that ms cares much about interoperability issues.
Regards,
Daniel
Julian Reschke wrote:
> Paul Hussein wrote:
>
>> XP without 3rd party software will only mount a non IIS WebDAV
>> 'share' as a
>> WebFolder. This is only accesible from Office products and products with
>> built-in WebDAV client. Normal windows programs such as notepad, wordpad
>> will not.
>>
>> However, if you use IIS 6, the WebDAV 'share' gets automatically
>> exported as
>> a normal windows 'share'
>>
>> so a site http://machine/WebDAV can be connected as net use w:
>> \\machine\WebDAV
>> using IIS WebDAV Redirector.
>
>
> I think this is incorrect.
>
> The Windows XP "Webdav redirector" indeed mounts a WebDAV server as a
> drive, but it does not depend on IIS6 (for instance, I think it may
> work with Apache/moddav).
>
> Rather than that, the issue is that is so buggy that it fails to work
> with many compliant servers, for various different reasons
> (authentication, port number != 80, root URL not WebDAV-aware).
>
> As far as I understand the situation, Microsoft is aware of the
> problems but does not plan to resolve them in the foreseeable future.
> Funny enough, Microsoft's own marketing material mentions the WebDAV
> Redirector as new XP feature, so it's definitively a documented and
> advertised feature that's plainly broken (see
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/evaluate/xptechov.mspx#XSLTsection126121120120>).
>
>
> Best regards, Julian
>
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Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Julian Reschke <ju...@gmx.de>.
Paul Hussein wrote:
> As far as I am aware, the WebDAV Redirector is a IIS 6 thing. It exports IIS
> WebDAV folders as Windows Network shares. It is custom MS stuff.
It's built into XP, not IIS. The WebDAV Redirector is a *client*, IIS is
a *server*.
> WebDAV is built-in to IIS5 (5.1) which ships with XP Pro. However, as a
> server I am not sure the WebDAV Redirection works. I have seen no
> documentation for this feature in 5.x. PLease correct me if I am wrong.
That's because it isn't an IIS feature at all.
> WebFolders are XP builtin WebDAV client functionality.
Yes. In fact, they are shipping with Office, Windows 2000 and IE. But
the WebFolder client is different from the WebDAV Redirector. Two
separate clients, both with their own sets of bugs.
> WebFolders will connect to any WebDAV server, it then comes down to
> compatibility issues.
Almost any :-)
> Using XP Clients you can connect to WebDAV Redirector redirected Shares
> using normal NET or Map Network Drive functionaility.
Yes. So it's an XP feature.
> I have not seen anywhere in the documentation for microsoft any mention of
> the WebDAV redirector functionaility being interoperable with another
> implementation of a WebDAV server.
The documentation says it's for WebDAV, so unless you specifically say
"for our own implementation of WebDAV", it's SHOULD be working with all
compliant server. That's the whole point of open protocols. See yourself
from the XP documentation:
"WebDAV—Working with Data on the Internet
Windows XP enables you to publish documents on Internet servers and
update them later. This is done using WebDAV (Web Digital Authoring and
Versioning) technology—a standard Internet file access protocol that
travels through HTTP over existing Internet infrastructure (firewalls,
routers, and so on.). Windows XP includes a WebDAV redirector which
means you can access servers on the Internet just as you would a file
share or server share at home or at work.
While traditional file sharing protocols are limited in their ability to
provide you with access to your data in every location, WebDAV uses
Internet protocols that enable access to data repositories anywhere on
the Internet. With WebDAV, you can get to your data from wherever you
are while using standard software applications.
For example, if you wanted to share a file with a colleague located at
another location, you could use WebDAV over the Internet to collaborate
on the same file. Or, if you're an ISP and you want to host storage for
customers so that they can gain access directly using their own
applications, WebDAV is your solution. In general, you can use the
WebDAV redirector to publish your own Web data or to use Internet
repositories for storing data and sharing information."
No mention that this is limited to specific Microsoft servers...
> If anyone has managed to get a network drive from a slide WebDAV
> implementation other than using 3rd party software, please tell us.
Best regards, Julian
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RE: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Paul Hussein <pa...@jrc.it>.
As far as I am aware, the WebDAV Redirector is a IIS 6 thing. It exports IIS
WebDAV folders as Windows Network shares. It is custom MS stuff.
WebDAV is built-in to IIS5 (5.1) which ships with XP Pro. However, as a
server I am not sure the WebDAV Redirection works. I have seen no
documentation for this feature in 5.x. PLease correct me if I am wrong.
WebFolders are XP builtin WebDAV client functionality.
WebFolders will connect to any WebDAV server, it then comes down to
compatibility issues.
Using XP Clients you can connect to WebDAV Redirector redirected Shares
using normal NET or Map Network Drive functionaility.
I have not seen anywhere in the documentation for microsoft any mention of
the WebDAV redirector functionaility being interoperable with another
implementation of a WebDAV server.
If anyone has managed to get a network drive from a slide WebDAV
implementation other than using 3rd party software, please tell us.
Cheers
Paul.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:38 AM
> To: Slide Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
>
>
> Paul Hussein wrote:
> > XP without 3rd party software will only mount a non IIS WebDAV
> 'share' as a
> > WebFolder. This is only accesible from Office products and products with
> > built-in WebDAV client. Normal windows programs such as notepad, wordpad
> > will not.
> >
> > However, if you use IIS 6, the WebDAV 'share' gets
> automatically exported as
> > a normal windows 'share'
> >
> > so a site http://machine/WebDAV can be connected as net use w:
> > \\machine\WebDAV
> > using IIS WebDAV Redirector.
>
> I think this is incorrect.
>
> The Windows XP "Webdav redirector" indeed mounts a WebDAV server as a
> drive, but it does not depend on IIS6 (for instance, I think it may work
> with Apache/moddav).
>
> Rather than that, the issue is that is so buggy that it fails to work
> with many compliant servers, for various different reasons
> (authentication, port number != 80, root URL not WebDAV-aware).
>
> As far as I understand the situation, Microsoft is aware of the problems
> but does not plan to resolve them in the foreseeable future. Funny
> enough, Microsoft's own marketing material mentions the WebDAV
> Redirector as new XP feature, so it's definitively a documented and
> advertised feature that's plainly broken (see
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/evaluate/xp
techov.mspx#XSLTsection126121120120>).
Best regards, Julian
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Re: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Julian Reschke <ju...@gmx.de>.
Paul Hussein wrote:
> XP without 3rd party software will only mount a non IIS WebDAV 'share' as a
> WebFolder. This is only accesible from Office products and products with
> built-in WebDAV client. Normal windows programs such as notepad, wordpad
> will not.
>
> However, if you use IIS 6, the WebDAV 'share' gets automatically exported as
> a normal windows 'share'
>
> so a site http://machine/WebDAV can be connected as net use w:
> \\machine\WebDAV
> using IIS WebDAV Redirector.
I think this is incorrect.
The Windows XP "Webdav redirector" indeed mounts a WebDAV server as a
drive, but it does not depend on IIS6 (for instance, I think it may work
with Apache/moddav).
Rather than that, the issue is that is so buggy that it fails to work
with many compliant servers, for various different reasons
(authentication, port number != 80, root URL not WebDAV-aware).
As far as I understand the situation, Microsoft is aware of the problems
but does not plan to resolve them in the foreseeable future. Funny
enough, Microsoft's own marketing material mentions the WebDAV
Redirector as new XP feature, so it's definitively a documented and
advertised feature that's plainly broken (see
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/evaluate/xptechov.mspx#XSLTsection126121120120>).
Best regards, Julian
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RE: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Paul Hussein <pa...@jrc.it>.
XP without 3rd party software will only mount a non IIS WebDAV 'share' as a
WebFolder. This is only accesible from Office products and products with
built-in WebDAV client. Normal windows programs such as notepad, wordpad
will not.
However, if you use IIS 6, the WebDAV 'share' gets automatically exported as
a normal windows 'share'
so a site http://machine/WebDAV can be connected as net use w:
\\machine\WebDAV
using IIS WebDAV Redirector.
Nice!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Stampoultzis [mailto:gstamp@iinet.net.au]
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 6:27 AM
> To: slide-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Slide and XP drive mapping
>
>
>
> XP supports drive mapping of webdav shares. I was wondering
> whether slide
> supports this? I'm having authentication problems when I try this. "Web
> Folders" work fine however.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Glen Stampoultzis
> gstamp@iinet.net.au
>
>
>
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RE: Slide and XP drive mapping
Posted by Michael Oliver <ol...@matrix-media.com>.
Even with web folders you might notice that your Windows Login user info
gets used for live attributes/properties like the owner of a lock
instead of the user that authenticated to Slide.
I have no troubles with the WebDrive product and Slide and they even
support automatic locking on open for edit with products that don't
support WebDav, like AutoCad. The WebDrive let's you specify what
/user/ you want to use for Locks, etc. I am not affiliated with
SouthRiverTech or WebDrive, I just am very happy with the product.
http://www.southrivertech.com/products/webdrive/index.html
Michael Oliver
CTO
Matrix Intermedia Inc.
3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1
Las Vegas, NV 89115
Phone:(702)643-7425
Fax:(520)844-1036
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Stampoultzis [mailto:gstamp@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 9:27 PM
To: slide-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Slide and XP drive mapping
XP supports drive mapping of webdav shares. I was wondering whether
slide
supports this? I'm having authentication problems when I try this.
"Web
Folders" work fine however.
Regards,
Glen Stampoultzis
gstamp@iinet.net.au
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