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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> on 2005/12/29 18:49:14 UTC
Licensing table?
I'm attempting to find a definitive answer somewhere regarding whether or
not it is ok to bundle(and download from asf servers) third party software
distributed under a BSD style license. This is specifically for the BSD
license provided by http://dojotoolkit.org.
I have found this wiki page for the jakarta people, but it indicates that
this isn't an official page but more of an understanding.
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues.
Understandably, my projects PMC (jakarta-tapestry/Howard Lewis-Ship) is very
uneasy about the idea of tapestry testing the "understanding" of these
liceneses without a formal answer somewhere. Everything I read references
the board needing to have an official vote to make any of these things
official.
My questions in summary are, are BSD style licenses compatible with jakarta
apache projects in such a way that outside project code can be downloaded
with these licenses from the ASF? (assuming that the normal licensing
inclusion/other guidelines are followed) If there is no definitive answer to
it yet, what might be the best next step I can take to get more
clarification?
jesse
Re: Licensing table?
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> I'm attempting to find a definitive answer somewhere regarding
> whether or not it is ok to bundle(and download from asf servers)
> third party software distributed under a BSD style license. This is
> specifically for the BSD license provided by http://dojotoolkit.org.
Yes, you can use and redistribute any BSD-licensed work within an
Apache product. BSD is a subset of the Apache License terms.
....Roy
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Re: Licensing table?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Woot! Thanks for the quick answers. :) I've updated the
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues page to at least say the BSD
portion is confirmed.
On 12/29/05, Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> >
> >> I'm attempting to find a definitive answer somewhere regarding whether
> or
> >> not it is ok to bundle(and download from asf servers) third party
> software
> >> distributed under a BSD style license. This is specifically for the BSD
> >> license provided by http://dojotoolkit.org.
> >
> > Just to be clear, if you are asking about Dojo, you are asking about the
>
> > Modified BSD license, rather than the original BSD license. Dojo is dual
> > licensed under the Academic Free License v. 2.1 and the Modified BSD
> license,
> > the latter because the FSF deems it GPL compatible.
>
> Not sure if there's much out there that is under the original BSD license,
> until it gets really legal I think the modified part is assumed.
>
> >> I have found this wiki page for the jakarta people, but it indicates
> that
> >> this isn't an official page but more of an understanding.
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues.
>
> Yep, and more importantly it's quite dated. One of my quests this year is
> to hassle Cliff relentlessly into making an official version of that
> page :)
>
> >> My questions in summary are, are BSD style licenses compatible with
> >> jakarta apache projects in such a way that outside project code can be
> >> downloaded with these licenses from the ASF? (assuming that the normal
> >> licensing inclusion/other guidelines are followed) If there is no
> >> definitive answer to it yet, what might be the best next step I can
> >> take to get more clarification?
>
> Going by community policy, the (modified) BSD license is fine to depend on
> and to include in a distributable/svn. Just make sure you follow the
> licence, ie) add a paragraph to your NOTICE.txt that specifies that you
> are using that library, there's a stock paragraph that you should be able
> to find in other project's NOTICE.txt.
>
> So unless someone else pipes up with an issue, you can go ahead and
> include the dependency. As far as I'm aware, you wouldn't be doing
> anything by depending on a BSD licensed work that other parts of the ASF
> aren't doing already.
>
> Hen
>
Re: Licensing table?
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
>
>> I'm attempting to find a definitive answer somewhere regarding whether or
>> not it is ok to bundle(and download from asf servers) third party software
>> distributed under a BSD style license. This is specifically for the BSD
>> license provided by http://dojotoolkit.org.
>
> Just to be clear, if you are asking about Dojo, you are asking about the
> Modified BSD license, rather than the original BSD license. Dojo is dual
> licensed under the Academic Free License v. 2.1 and the Modified BSD license,
> the latter because the FSF deems it GPL compatible.
Not sure if there's much out there that is under the original BSD license,
until it gets really legal I think the modified part is assumed.
>> I have found this wiki page for the jakarta people, but it indicates that
>> this isn't an official page but more of an understanding.
>> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues.
Yep, and more importantly it's quite dated. One of my quests this year is
to hassle Cliff relentlessly into making an official version of that
page :)
>> My questions in summary are, are BSD style licenses compatible with
>> jakarta apache projects in such a way that outside project code can be
>> downloaded with these licenses from the ASF? (assuming that the normal
>> licensing inclusion/other guidelines are followed) If there is no
>> definitive answer to it yet, what might be the best next step I can
>> take to get more clarification?
Going by community policy, the (modified) BSD license is fine to depend on
and to include in a distributable/svn. Just make sure you follow the
licence, ie) add a paragraph to your NOTICE.txt that specifies that you
are using that library, there's a stock paragraph that you should be able
to find in other project's NOTICE.txt.
So unless someone else pipes up with an issue, you can go ahead and
include the dependency. As far as I'm aware, you wouldn't be doing
anything by depending on a BSD licensed work that other parts of the ASF
aren't doing already.
Hen
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Re: Licensing table?
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> I'm attempting to find a definitive answer somewhere regarding whether or
> not it is ok to bundle(and download from asf servers) third party software
> distributed under a BSD style license. This is specifically for the BSD
> license provided by http://dojotoolkit.org.
Just to be clear, if you are asking about Dojo, you are asking about the
Modified BSD license, rather than the original BSD license. Dojo is dual
licensed under the Academic Free License v. 2.1 and the Modified BSD
license, the latter because the FSF deems it GPL compatible.
--
Martin Cooper
> I have found this wiki page for the jakarta people, but it indicates that
> this isn't an official page but more of an understanding.
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues.
>
> Understandably, my projects PMC (jakarta-tapestry/Howard Lewis-Ship) is very
> uneasy about the idea of tapestry testing the "understanding" of these
> liceneses without a formal answer somewhere. Everything I read references
> the board needing to have an official vote to make any of these things
> official.
>
> My questions in summary are, are BSD style licenses compatible with jakarta
> apache projects in such a way that outside project code can be downloaded
> with these licenses from the ASF? (assuming that the normal licensing
> inclusion/other guidelines are followed) If there is no definitive answer to
> it yet, what might be the best next step I can take to get more
> clarification?
>
> jesse
>
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Re: Licensing table?
Posted by Jeffrey Thompson <jt...@us.ibm.com>.
Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote on 12/29/2005 12:49:14 PM:
> My questions in summary are, are BSD style licenses compatible with
> jakarta apache projects in such a way that outside project code can
> be downloaded with these licenses from the ASF? (assuming that the
> normal licensing inclusion/other guidelines are followed) If there
> is no definitive answer to it yet, what might be the best next step
> I can take to get more clarification?
>
> jesse
An official policy listing how to treat each license is in the works.
However, I think the clear consensus is that at least for BSD licenses
there is no issue with incorporating that code into an Apache project.
There is an ongoing discussion on whether it is best to license that code
out from Apache under the ASL or to pass on the BSD license.
Jeff
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