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WCK: Does it work?
Folks,
has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
which points more documentation would be helpful?
Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
Thanks,
Oliver
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Oliver Zeigermann <ol...@gmail.com>.
Ooops, I was leaving out something important:
3a) Copy build.properties.sample to build.properties
3b) Set property catalina.dist to the location of your Tomcat installation
Oliver
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:58:09 +0100, Oliver Zeigermann
<ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roman,
>
> thanks for the feedback as well! I really am amazed it took you 4
> weeks of work to make it build. I just tried how long it took me:
>
> 1) Downloading and installing Tomcat 5.0.28
> 2) Checking out Slide CVS HEAD
> 3) Changing to wck folder
> 4) ant deploy
> 5) Running Tomcat, everything looks good
>
> It just worked in less than half an hour...
>
> Concerning official package: I guess you just happened to be one of
> the early adopters. I have put some additional warnings and
> disclaimers on the WCK page to make clear that WCK is still in its
> infancies. Sorry, if I did not make this as clear as I should from the
> beginning :(
>
> Certainly there should be a release, but I am currently very unsure
> how a distribution for WCK should look like. Additionally, I have the
> impression WCK isn't mature enough even for a beta and will need a
> larger community before a release.
>
> Oliver
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:04:27 +0200, Roman D <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I hope it *will* work for me, as I finally got it to build,deploy and
> > work after 4 weeks. The biggest complain is that it's not an official
> > package and it's depends on 2.2beta which is not official release
> > either. You have to work against CVS HEAD and especially if you never
> > worked with Slide before it's quite complicated opposing to idea that
> > WCK is supposed to make it "simple".
> > I just wish I could download WCK pre-built library and implement my own
> > application right away. So far, 100% of time spent was making WCK build,
> > deploy and work.
> > Hope WCK will start having official builds from tomorrow ;)
> >
> > My points what it misses;
> > - Make it official package
> > - provide some example[s] of real-world implementation with WCK. Maybe
> > move org.apache.slide.simple.reference and org.apache.slide.simple.auth
> > outside of WCK. So "Reference" could be example implementation package
> > along with some documentation.
> >
> > Regards!
> >
> >
> >
> > Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> > > all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> > > which points more documentation would be helpful?
> > >
> > > Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
> > >
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Oliver
> > >
> >
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Oliver Zeigermann <ol...@gmail.com>.
Roman,
thanks for the feedback as well! I really am amazed it took you 4
weeks of work to make it build. I just tried how long it took me:
1) Downloading and installing Tomcat 5.0.28
2) Checking out Slide CVS HEAD
3) Changing to wck folder
4) ant deploy
5) Running Tomcat, everything looks good
It just worked in less than half an hour...
Concerning official package: I guess you just happened to be one of
the early adopters. I have put some additional warnings and
disclaimers on the WCK page to make clear that WCK is still in its
infancies. Sorry, if I did not make this as clear as I should from the
beginning :(
Certainly there should be a release, but I am currently very unsure
how a distribution for WCK should look like. Additionally, I have the
impression WCK isn't mature enough even for a beta and will need a
larger community before a release.
Oliver
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:04:27 +0200, Roman D <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I hope it *will* work for me, as I finally got it to build,deploy and
> work after 4 weeks. The biggest complain is that it's not an official
> package and it's depends on 2.2beta which is not official release
> either. You have to work against CVS HEAD and especially if you never
> worked with Slide before it's quite complicated opposing to idea that
> WCK is supposed to make it "simple".
> I just wish I could download WCK pre-built library and implement my own
> application right away. So far, 100% of time spent was making WCK build,
> deploy and work.
> Hope WCK will start having official builds from tomorrow ;)
>
> My points what it misses;
> - Make it official package
> - provide some example[s] of real-world implementation with WCK. Maybe
> move org.apache.slide.simple.reference and org.apache.slide.simple.auth
> outside of WCK. So "Reference" could be example implementation package
> along with some documentation.
>
> Regards!
>
>
>
> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> > all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> > which points more documentation would be helpful?
> >
> > Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Oliver
> >
>
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Roman D <do...@gmail.com>.
I hope it *will* work for me, as I finally got it to build,deploy and
work after 4 weeks. The biggest complain is that it's not an official
package and it's depends on 2.2beta which is not official release
either. You have to work against CVS HEAD and especially if you never
worked with Slide before it's quite complicated opposing to idea that
WCK is supposed to make it "simple".
I just wish I could download WCK pre-built library and implement my own
application right away. So far, 100% of time spent was making WCK build,
deploy and work.
Hope WCK will start having official builds from tomorrow ;)
My points what it misses;
- Make it official package
- provide some example[s] of real-world implementation with WCK. Maybe
move org.apache.slide.simple.reference and org.apache.slide.simple.auth
outside of WCK. So "Reference" could be example implementation package
along with some documentation.
Regards!
Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
> Folks,
>
> has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> which points more documentation would be helpful?
>
> Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
>
> Thanks,
>
> Oliver
>
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Brian Lee <bl...@macys.com>.
I've had a bit of success with it (now I have problems completely
unrelated to wck and slide). I definitely think it is very helpful.
Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>Folks,
>
>has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
>all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
>which points more documentation would be helpful?
>
>Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
>
>http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
>
>Thanks,
>
>Oliver
>
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Oliver Zeigermann <ol...@gmail.com>.
Not quite sure what you are suggesting here... If the WCK reference
implementations where separated from WCK where should they go then?
They need WCK to run and are a good starting point for people who does
their own WCK store implementations.
Oliver
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:25:12 +0200, Roman D <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you think about separating reference implementation from WCK?
> How it will work when WCK become official package? Slide will have WCK
> included, it would be difficult to run WCK reference webapp. Currently
> it's a specilal Slide build that has WCK implementation instead of default.
> It would be great if you could have separate source package of reference
> implementation so you can deploy it with Slide, it will give easier
> jump-start for users like me.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> > all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> > which points more documentation would be helpful?
> >
> > Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Oliver
> >
>
>
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Roman D <do...@gmail.com>.
What do you think about separating reference implementation from WCK?
How it will work when WCK become official package? Slide will have WCK
included, it would be difficult to run WCK reference webapp. Currently
it's a specilal Slide build that has WCK implementation instead of default.
It would be great if you could have separate source package of reference
implementation so you can deploy it with Slide, it will give easier
jump-start for users like me.
Regards.
Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
> Folks,
>
> has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> which points more documentation would be helpful?
>
> Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
>
> Thanks,
>
> Oliver
>
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Oliver Zeigermann <ol...@gmail.com>.
Hi Alessandro,
thanks for the feedback :)
I understand a lean and handy servlet in a single class would be nice,
however, I do not quite understand how an independent servlet would
change anything from the status quo concerning communication. Could
you explain, please?
Concerning JGroups: It's LGPL and as it looks right now ASF code can
not rely on LGPL'ed code :(
Oliver
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:28:49 +0100, Alessandro Apostoli
<al...@otssistemi.it> wrote:
> Hi Oliver,
> I can't believe it worked just for me, I like the way the WCK
> works, and I found it quite straightforward.
> With the latest cvs I was also able to make the macro store
> work as expected. The one thing that IMHO would make the
> WCK better would be the possibility to deploy the webdav
> servlet indipendent of slide, what I mean is that right now
> there's no way to make the WCK communicate with something
> that is not running in the same webapp, I had to use RMI to
> overcome this which is a big waste of bandwidth. I do however
> understand that the WCK is so deeply tight with slide that it would
> be almost unfeasible.
> Thanks for the code.
>
> I took a look at the transaction package and I have to say that
> I like very much, I'd love to see an extension to it based upon the
> JGroups jars :-)
>
> Alessandro.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oliver Zeigermann" <ol...@gmail.com>
> To: "Slide Users Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: WCK: Does it work?
>
> > Added a bunch of disclaimers to the WCK page now. Do you have the
> > impression the WCK is optimistic/pessimistic/rather fair according the
> > useability of WCK? What should be changed to give someone the right
> > impression?
> >
> > Oliver
> >
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:08:04 +0100, Oliver Zeigermann
> > <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> >> all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> >> which points more documentation would be helpful?
> >>
> >> Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
> >>
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Oliver
> >>
> >
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Alessandro Apostoli <al...@otssistemi.it>.
Hi Oliver,
I can't believe it worked just for me, I like the way the WCK
works, and I found it quite straightforward.
With the latest cvs I was also able to make the macro store
work as expected. The one thing that IMHO would make the
WCK better would be the possibility to deploy the webdav
servlet indipendent of slide, what I mean is that right now
there's no way to make the WCK communicate with something
that is not running in the same webapp, I had to use RMI to
overcome this which is a big waste of bandwidth. I do however
understand that the WCK is so deeply tight with slide that it would
be almost unfeasible.
Thanks for the code.
I took a look at the transaction package and I have to say that
I like very much, I'd love to see an extension to it based upon the
JGroups jars :-)
Alessandro.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oliver Zeigermann" <ol...@gmail.com>
To: "Slide Users Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: WCK: Does it work?
> Added a bunch of disclaimers to the WCK page now. Do you have the
> impression the WCK is optimistic/pessimistic/rather fair according the
> useability of WCK? What should be changed to give someone the right
> impression?
>
> Oliver
>
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:08:04 +0100, Oliver Zeigermann
> <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
>> all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
>> which points more documentation would be helpful?
>>
>> Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>
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Re: WCK: Does it work?
Posted by Oliver Zeigermann <ol...@gmail.com>.
Added a bunch of disclaimers to the WCK page now. Do you have the
impression the WCK is optimistic/pessimistic/rather fair according the
useability of WCK? What should be changed to give someone the right
impression?
Oliver
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:08:04 +0100, Oliver Zeigermann
<ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> has anyone except Alessandro had any success with WCK? Does it work at
> all? Has it actually been useful? If not what should be changed? At
> which points more documentation would be helpful?
>
> Anyone with any experience is kindly asked to add to the WCK Wiki page at
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-slide/WebDavConstructionKit
>
> Thanks,
>
> Oliver
>
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