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Posted to dev@servicemix.apache.org by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> on 2008/06/04 15:25:14 UTC
Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
In prevision of the split of the components, I've created two new wiki
spaces, one specifically for ServiceMix 3 and one for ServiceMix
Components.
They are available at:
http://cwiki.apache.org/SMX3/
http://cwiki.apache.org/SMXCOMP/
I've added them to the cronjob so they should be available later today at:
http://servicemix.apache.org/smx3/
http://servicemix.apache.org/components/
Cross space linking works, so we can reference another ServiceMix wiki
space from any other ServiceMix space. This mechanism is done by
using the rewrite rules at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/site/.htaccess
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Well, I suppose we could use a single space, but reorganizing it will
involve moving the pages or hierarchies of pages, which leads imo to
the same amount of work.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, I had problems when exporting and trying to reimport spaces. To
>> make this work, it involves a lot of manual and error-prone hacking.
>> I think the best way would be to move pages from the SM space to the
>> SMX3 or SMXCOMP space, which can be done quite easily (including
>> children pages) from confluence.
>> How does it sound ?
>
> Well that's a *lot* of manual work and precisely why I had not created
> a new SMX3 wiki space.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>
> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I had problems when exporting and trying to reimport spaces. To
> make this work, it involves a lot of manual and error-prone hacking.
> I think the best way would be to move pages from the SM space to the
> SMX3 or SMXCOMP space, which can be done quite easily (including
> children pages) from confluence.
> How does it sound ?
Well that's a *lot* of manual work and precisely why I had not created
a new SMX3 wiki space.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, I had problems when exporting and trying to reimport spaces. To
make this work, it involves a lot of manual and error-prone hacking.
I think the best way would be to move pages from the SM space to the
SMX3 or SMXCOMP space, which can be done quite easily (including
children pages) from confluence.
How does it sound ?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In prevision of the split of the components, I've created two new wiki
>> spaces, one specifically for ServiceMix 3 and one for ServiceMix
>> Components.
>> They are available at:
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/SMX3/
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/SMXCOMP/
>>
>> I've added them to the cronjob so they should be available later today at:
>> http://servicemix.apache.org/smx3/
>> http://servicemix.apache.org/components/
>>
>> Cross space linking works, so we can reference another ServiceMix wiki
>> space from any other ServiceMix space. This mechanism is done by
>> using the rewrite rules at
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/site/.htaccess
>
> Thanks, Guillaume. The reason I had not created a new SMX3 wiki was
> because I been unsuccessful at exporting the existing SM wiki. My
> thought was to export the old space and import it into a new space
> named SMX3, that way we'd have separate SMX3 and SMX4 wikis. So what
> are you planning on doing with the SMX3 wiki?
>
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>
> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In prevision of the split of the components, I've created two new wiki
> spaces, one specifically for ServiceMix 3 and one for ServiceMix
> Components.
> They are available at:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/SMX3/
> http://cwiki.apache.org/SMXCOMP/
>
> I've added them to the cronjob so they should be available later today at:
> http://servicemix.apache.org/smx3/
> http://servicemix.apache.org/components/
>
> Cross space linking works, so we can reference another ServiceMix wiki
> space from any other ServiceMix space. This mechanism is done by
> using the rewrite rules at
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/site/.htaccess
Thanks, Guillaume. The reason I had not created a new SMX3 wiki was
because I been unsuccessful at exporting the existing SM wiki. My
thought was to export the old space and import it into a new space
named SMX3, that way we'd have separate SMX3 and SMX4 wikis. So what
are you planning on doing with the SMX3 wiki?
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Then I don't understand the problem. We can move a whole bunch of
> pages in a single click. For example, the "Components List" [1] page
> contains a lot of children pages related to components. We can MOVE
> it AND ALL ITS CHILDREN to the SMXCOMP space in a single click.
> If find this much easier than exporting the space, reimporting it in a
> new space (this is a real pain by itself and can not be done without a
> lot of hacking of the exported xml to change all the references to the
> space) and pruning the two spaces to avoid having the same page on
> both.
Oh! I wasn't aware that we can move a page *and* all its children in a
single click! That minimizes the amount of work somewhat. So I just
need to finalize a new home page and a maybe a few interim pages and
then we'll start moving all the pages from the SM space to SMX3 and
SMXCOMP spaces as necessary.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Then I don't understand the problem. We can move a whole bunch of
pages in a single click. For example, the "Components List" [1] page
contains a lot of children pages related to components. We can MOVE
it AND ALL ITS CHILDREN to the SMXCOMP space in a single click.
If find this much easier than exporting the space, reimporting it in a
new space (this is a real pain by itself and can not be done without a
lot of hacking of the exported xml to change all the references to the
space) and pruning the two spaces to avoid having the same page on
both.
[1] http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SM/Components+list
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The downside of using a single space is that you can not have two
>> pages with the same name in the whole space.
>> I guess we will need such duplicate pages for "Building", "Source" and
>> pages that apply to all of the subprojects while they need a somewhat
>> different content.
>
> I agree completely - that's a problem. Which is exactly why I was
> trying to export the existing SM wiki to create a SMX3 wiki. I'm not
> suggesting that we use a single wiki space at all.
>
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>
> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The downside of using a single space is that you can not have two
> pages with the same name in the whole space.
> I guess we will need such duplicate pages for "Building", "Source" and
> pages that apply to all of the subprojects while they need a somewhat
> different content.
I agree completely - that's a problem. Which is exactly why I was
trying to export the existing SM wiki to create a SMX3 wiki. I'm not
suggesting that we use a single wiki space at all.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
The downside of using a single space is that you can not have two
pages with the same name in the whole space.
I guess we will need such duplicate pages for "Building", "Source" and
pages that apply to all of the subprojects while they need a somewhat
different content.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> So I guess the next steps is to finish the new home page:
>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/SM/home2.html
>>>
>>> The creation of Home2 was an experiment to see if we can use the wiki
>>> to create a minimalist home page for the ServiceMix project that
>>> simply offers pointers to various pieces of information in each
>>> project (i.e., SMX3, SMX4 and SMX Components). What I discovered is
>>> that the wiki is very restrictive and I may resort to a few simple,
>>> static HTML pages instead.
>>
>> I like the fact that we have the auto-export plugin doing a lot of
>> formatting work.
>> What about using the {html} macro as we already do for the banner page:
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/editpage.action?pageId=87430
>
> Yes, I am working with the {html} macro to see if it is sufficient.
>
>>>> then, move the pages from the SM space to either SMX3 or SMXCOMP spaces.
>>>> I think these moves can be done over the time and we could start by
>>>> moving the most obvious ones like the ones about each component
>>>> (servicemix-jms, etc...)
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in my first reply, I have not been able to export wiki
>>> spaces from the ASF Confluence installation at all. Are you able to
>>> export the wiki to XML with attachments? If not, then there's no point
>>> in creating a new SMX3 wiki.
>>
>> We can *move* the pages from a confluence space to another space very easily.
>> When you edit a page, click on the "EDIT" button just below the name
>> of the page.
>> Doing that opens a few more controls allowing to rename the page and
>> move it to another space.
>
> Yeah, that's certainly a possibility. But as I said in my previous
> reply, that's a *lot* of manual work.
>
> Let me get the new home page squared away and then we'll decide what
> to do. I was actually thinking of just leaving the SM wiki space in
> place and using a few static HTML pages outside of the wiki for the
> new home page. So we'd have some static HTML pages as the SMX home
> page and link into the SMX3, SMX4 and SMX Components pages. I've
> already started working on this approach. We just need to decide which
> route to take.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>
> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So I guess the next steps is to finish the new home page:
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/SM/home2.html
>>
>> The creation of Home2 was an experiment to see if we can use the wiki
>> to create a minimalist home page for the ServiceMix project that
>> simply offers pointers to various pieces of information in each
>> project (i.e., SMX3, SMX4 and SMX Components). What I discovered is
>> that the wiki is very restrictive and I may resort to a few simple,
>> static HTML pages instead.
>
> I like the fact that we have the auto-export plugin doing a lot of
> formatting work.
> What about using the {html} macro as we already do for the banner page:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/editpage.action?pageId=87430
Yes, I am working with the {html} macro to see if it is sufficient.
>>> then, move the pages from the SM space to either SMX3 or SMXCOMP spaces.
>>> I think these moves can be done over the time and we could start by
>>> moving the most obvious ones like the ones about each component
>>> (servicemix-jms, etc...)
>>
>> As I mentioned in my first reply, I have not been able to export wiki
>> spaces from the ASF Confluence installation at all. Are you able to
>> export the wiki to XML with attachments? If not, then there's no point
>> in creating a new SMX3 wiki.
>
> We can *move* the pages from a confluence space to another space very easily.
> When you edit a page, click on the "EDIT" button just below the name
> of the page.
> Doing that opens a few more controls allowing to rename the page and
> move it to another space.
Yeah, that's certainly a possibility. But as I said in my previous
reply, that's a *lot* of manual work.
Let me get the new home page squared away and then we'll decide what
to do. I was actually thinking of just leaving the SM wiki space in
place and using a few static HTML pages outside of the wiki for the
new home page. So we'd have some static HTML pages as the SMX home
page and link into the SMX3, SMX4 and SMX Components pages. I've
already started working on this approach. We just need to decide which
route to take.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I guess the next steps is to finish the new home page:
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/SM/home2.html
>
> The creation of Home2 was an experiment to see if we can use the wiki
> to create a minimalist home page for the ServiceMix project that
> simply offers pointers to various pieces of information in each
> project (i.e., SMX3, SMX4 and SMX Components). What I discovered is
> that the wiki is very restrictive and I may resort to a few simple,
> static HTML pages instead.
I like the fact that we have the auto-export plugin doing a lot of
formatting work.
What about using the {html} macro as we already do for the banner page:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/editpage.action?pageId=87430
>> then, move the pages from the SM space to either SMX3 or SMXCOMP spaces.
>> I think these moves can be done over the time and we could start by
>> moving the most obvious ones like the ones about each component
>> (servicemix-jms, etc...)
>
> As I mentioned in my first reply, I have not been able to export wiki
> spaces from the ASF Confluence installation at all. Are you able to
> export the wiki to XML with attachments? If not, then there's no point
> in creating a new SMX3 wiki.
We can *move* the pages from a confluence space to another space very easily.
When you edit a page, click on the "EDIT" button just below the name
of the page.
Doing that opens a few more controls allowing to rename the page and
move it to another space.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>
> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I guess the next steps is to finish the new home page:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/SM/home2.html
The creation of Home2 was an experiment to see if we can use the wiki
to create a minimalist home page for the ServiceMix project that
simply offers pointers to various pieces of information in each
project (i.e., SMX3, SMX4 and SMX Components). What I discovered is
that the wiki is very restrictive and I may resort to a few simple,
static HTML pages instead.
> then, move the pages from the SM space to either SMX3 or SMXCOMP spaces.
> I think these moves can be done over the time and we could start by
> moving the most obvious ones like the ones about each component
> (servicemix-jms, etc...)
As I mentioned in my first reply, I have not been able to export wiki
spaces from the ASF Confluence installation at all. Are you able to
export the wiki to XML with attachments? If not, then there's no point
in creating a new SMX3 wiki.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache Camel - http://activemq.org/camel/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Re: Smx3 / Smx4 / Components site
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
So I guess the next steps is to finish the new home page:
http://cwiki.apache.org/SM/home2.html
then, move the pages from the SM space to either SMX3 or SMXCOMP spaces.
I think these moves can be done over the time and we could start by
moving the most obvious ones like the ones about each component
(servicemix-jms, etc...)
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In prevision of the split of the components, I've created two new wiki
> spaces, one specifically for ServiceMix 3 and one for ServiceMix
> Components.
> They are available at:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/SMX3/
> http://cwiki.apache.org/SMXCOMP/
>
> I've added them to the cronjob so they should be available later today at:
> http://servicemix.apache.org/smx3/
> http://servicemix.apache.org/components/
>
> Cross space linking works, so we can reference another ServiceMix wiki
> space from any other ServiceMix space. This mechanism is done by
> using the rewrite rules at
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/site/.htaccess
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/