Re: Policy about supported releases

[Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>]

I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we can't 
reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily

So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Hi,
>
> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0. 
> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For 
> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>
> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>
>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>
>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>> branch
>>
>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>> tomcat.apache.org
>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>
>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>
>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>> before 30 September 2012.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jacques
> 

Re: Policy about supported releases

[Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jacques Le Roux
<ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> In my mind, it's only about bug fixes backport, nothing else.
> I do as much as I can, but for instance it's a while now I don't do it for
> R4.0.
> I want to make that clear and have a reference for users...

+ 1

>
> Jacques
>
> From: "David E Jones" <de...@me.com>
>>
>> Do we even have a policy about supporting releases, let alone a policy
>> about which releases to support?
>>
>> In other words, what can a user of Apache OFBiz expect to get as part of
>> this "official" support?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Hans,
>>>
>>> Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>>>
>>>> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
>>>> ahead with the subject as you proposed.

yes, I think it is safe to assume "Lazy Consensus" in this case

>>>>
>>>> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
>>>> the customers independent of the version they use?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This
>>>>> > would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that > we
>>>>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody
>>>>> > can remember easily
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below,
>>>>> > opinions?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Jacques
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported
>>>>> >> releases. There are still people asking for support on >>  >> 4.0.
>>>>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the
>>>>> >> commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. >> For
>>>>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat
>>>>> >>> 5.5.x
>>>>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>>>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>>>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>>>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the
>>>>> >>> 5.5.x
>>>>> >>> branch
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>>>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>>>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>>>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>>>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>>>>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the
>>>>> >>> archive.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>>>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thoughts?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jacques
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
>>>> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: Policy about supported releases

[Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>]

In my mind, it's only about bug fixes backport, nothing else.
I do as much as I can, but for instance it's a while now I don't do it for R4.0.
I want to make that clear and have a reference for users...

Jacques

From: "David E Jones" <de...@me.com>
>
> Do we even have a policy about supporting releases, let alone a policy about which releases to support?
>
> In other words, what can a user of Apache OFBiz expect to get as part of this "official" support?
>
> -David
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Thanks Hans,
>>
>> Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
>>> ahead with the subject as you proposed.
>>>
>>> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
>>> the customers independent of the version they use?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that 
>>>> > we
>>>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>>>> >
>>>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>>>> >
>>>> > Jacques
>>>> >
>>>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 
>>>> >>  >> 4.0.
>>>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. 
>>>> >> For
>>>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>>>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>>>> >>> branch
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>>>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thoughts?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jacques
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
>>> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
>>
>>
> 

Re: Policy about supported releases

[David E Jones <de...@me.com>]

Do we even have a policy about supporting releases, let alone a policy about which releases to support?

In other words, what can a user of Apache OFBiz expect to get as part of this "official" support?

-David


On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Thanks Hans,
> 
> Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
>> ahead with the subject as you proposed.
>> 
>> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
>> the customers independent of the version they use?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>> 
>> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>> 
>>> Jacques
>>> 
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we
>>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>>> >
>>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>>> >
>>> > Jacques
>>> >
>>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on >> 4.0.
>>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
>>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>> >>
>>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>> >>
>>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>>> >>> branch
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thoughts?
>>> >>
>>> >> Jacques
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
>> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
> 
> 

Re: Policy about supported releases

[Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>]

Thanks Hans,

Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...

Jacques

From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
> ahead with the subject as you proposed.
>
> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
> the customers independent of the version they use?
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we
>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>> >
>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>> >
>> > Jacques
>> >
>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 
>> >> 4.0.
>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>> >>
>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>> >>
>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>> >>>
>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>> >>> branch
>> >>>
>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>> >>>
>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
> -- 
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
> 

Re: Policy about supported releases

[Hans Bakker <ma...@antwebsystems.com>]

When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
ahead with the subject as you proposed.

In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
the customers independent of the version they use?

Regards,
Hans

On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we 
> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
> >
> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0. 
> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For 
> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
> >>
> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
> >>
> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
> >>>
> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
> >>> branch
> >>>
> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
> >>> tomcat.apache.org
> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
> >>>
> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
> >>>
> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
> >>> before 30 September 2012.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >
> > 

-- 
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Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.

Re: Policy about supported releases

[Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>]

I can't believe nobody is interested in this?

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we 
> can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>
> So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0. 
>> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For 
>> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>
>> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>
>>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>>
>>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>>> branch
>>>
>>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>> tomcat.apache.org
>>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>>
>>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>>
>>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>> before 30 September 2012.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>
>