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[DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Background:
There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the community.
This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current committer
criteria in light of the following goals:
- Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
- Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
- Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC (discussed in
another thread)
Current State:
The current committer criteria is here
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer as
is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
Proposal:
Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache Beam project
https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
Short quote from page:
=================
An Apache Beam committer…
<https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer>
- Takes many forms
<https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms>
- Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation code of
conduct
<https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct>
- Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an Apache
Software Foundation committer
<https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer>
- Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
<https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices>
- =================
<https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices>
I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this model it
will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge that
there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and responsibilities.
The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we could add it
in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and values of
this level.
Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the community
is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to create
of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if someone else
wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
- Carin
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Yuan Tang <te...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Kellen for the clarification. The revised version looks good to me.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:40 PM kellen sunderland <
kellen.sunderland@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forgot to answer your second question "How many votes are required by PMCs
> before the formal release can happen? Is this considered community-related
> decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are binding?"
> Answer "Votes on whether a package is ready to be released use majority
> approval <https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval>
> --
> i.e. at least three PMC members must vote affirmatively for release, and
> there must be more positive than negative votes. Releases may not be
> vetoed. Generally
> the community will cancel the release vote if anyone identifies serious
> problems, but in most cases the ultimate decision, lies with the individual
> serving as release manager. The specifics of the process may vary from
> project to project, but the 'minimum quorum of three +1 votes' rule is
> universal."
> from: https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:38 AM kellen sunderland <
> kellen.sunderland@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe the wording _must_ comes from the fact that the PMC (as a body)
> > must have a formal vote for a release, otherwise the release will not
> > happen. I don't believe it means every PMC member is required to vote on
> > the release. I can see where the confusion comes from, but also feel the
> > wording is correct.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yuan Tang <te...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
> >> > privileges. Please review.
> >> >
> >> > Pasting here for convenience
> >> > Committer Privileges
> >> >
> >> > - Committers have write access to the code repository.
> >> > - Committers have an @apache.org email address.
> >> > - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project,
> approving
> >> > and merging pull requests.
> >> > - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you
> >> cast do
> >> > not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
> >> > - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
> >> > constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested
> >> changes.
> >> >
> >> > PMC Privileges
> >> >
> >> > - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
> >> > - PMC members have write access to the code repository.
> >> > - PMC members have @apache.org email address.
> >> > - PMC has access to private@ email list
> >> > - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions,
> PMC
> >> > Votes are *binding*.
> >> > - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
> >> > - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software
> >> product.
> >> >
> >> Could you clarify on this (I don't think you meant "PMC *must* vote")?
> How
> >> many votes are required by PMCs before the formal release can happen? Is
> >> this considered community-related decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are
> >> binding?
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern
> >> please
> >> > voice it here before this goes out for voting.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I plan to start a vote on the adopting
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> >> > > to
> >> > > replace our current document
> >> > >
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> >> > > tomorrow
> >> > > (Monday).
> >> > >
> >> > > - Carin
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for
> >> providing
> >> > > > valuable feedback and discussion.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the
> document
> >> to
> >> > > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki,
> >> please
> >> > > just
> >> > > > ask.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to
> have
> >> a
> >> > > vote
> >> > > > on adopting the new
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> >> > > > to replace our current document
> >> > > >
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> >> > > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a
> >> process.
> >> > > So,
> >> > > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of
> >> that
> >> > > > vote.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on
> >> Friday,
> >> > > but
> >> > > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are
> >> > complete.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best,
> >> > > > Carin
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> >> > > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the
> >> > format
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the
> >> notes.
> >> > > >> Looking forward to the next one.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Pedro
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <
> >> > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > Carin - please see
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> >> > > >> > :
> >> > > >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between
> >> committer
> >> > > and
> >> > > >> > PPMC election
> >> > > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> >> > > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Steffen
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <
> >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts
> that
> >> > are
> >> > > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the
> >> meeting
> >> > in
> >> > > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like
> >> to
> >> > > >> attend
> >> > > >> > the
> >> > > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Thanks!
> >> > > >> > > Carin
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> >> > > >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> >> > > >> incorporated
> >> > > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> >> > > committer/PPMC
> >> > > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should
> not
> >> be
> >> > > >> > > considered
> >> > > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Steffen
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <
> >> > carinmeier@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for
> Committer
> >> and
> >> > > >> PPMC
> >> > > >> > > > > guidelines.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> >> > > >> > > > > .
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> >> > > discussions/revisions
> >> > > >> > are
> >> > > >> > > > > complete.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > - Carin
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> >> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Great!
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> >> > > >> > > > > > .
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > - Carin
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> >> > > >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> >> > > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> >> > > >> > > > > >> Steffen
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> >> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Background:
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and
> >> grow
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > > > community.
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of
> revision
> >> the
> >> > > >> > current
> >> > > >> > > > > >> committer
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> >> > > committership
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer
> and
> >> PMC
> >> > > >> > > (discussed
> >> > > >> > > > > in
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > >
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> >> > > >> > > > > >> as
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after
> >> the
> >> > > >> Apache
> >> > > >> > > Beam
> >> > > >> > > > > >> project
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > =================
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache
> >> Software
> >> > > >> > Foundation
> >> > > >> > > > > code
> >> > > >> > > > > >> of
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > conduct
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the
> >> responsibilities
> >> > of
> >> > > >> an
> >> > > >> > > > Apache
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam
> >> community’s
> >> > > >> > practices
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - =================
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria
> >> with
> >> > > >> this
> >> > > >> > > model
> >> > > >> > > > > it
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider
> pool,
> >> > > >> > acknowledge
> >> > > >> > > > that
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF
> values
> >> > and
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC
> level
> >> > but
> >> > > we
> >> > > >> > > could
> >> > > >> > > > > add
> >> > > >> > > > > >> it
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> >> > > responsibilities
> >> > > >> > and
> >> > > >> > > > > >> values of
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > this level.
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible
> >> > direction.
> >> > > If
> >> > > >> > the
> >> > > >> > > > > >> community
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I
> >> would be
> >> > > >> happy
> >> > > >> > to
> >> > > >> > > > > >> create
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look
> at -
> >> > (or
> >> > > if
> >> > > >> > > > someone
> >> > > >> > > > > >> else
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> >> > > >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by kellen sunderland <ke...@gmail.com>.
Forgot to answer your second question "How many votes are required by PMCs
before the formal release can happen? Is this considered community-related
decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are binding?"
Answer "Votes on whether a package is ready to be released use majority
approval <https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval> --
i.e. at least three PMC members must vote affirmatively for release, and
there must be more positive than negative votes. Releases may not be
vetoed. Generally
the community will cancel the release vote if anyone identifies serious
problems, but in most cases the ultimate decision, lies with the individual
serving as release manager. The specifics of the process may vary from
project to project, but the 'minimum quorum of three +1 votes' rule is
universal."
from: https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:38 AM kellen sunderland <
kellen.sunderland@gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe the wording _must_ comes from the fact that the PMC (as a body)
> must have a formal vote for a release, otherwise the release will not
> happen. I don't believe it means every PMC member is required to vote on
> the release. I can see where the confusion comes from, but also feel the
> wording is correct.
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yuan Tang <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
>> > privileges. Please review.
>> >
>> > Pasting here for convenience
>> > Committer Privileges
>> >
>> > - Committers have write access to the code repository.
>> > - Committers have an @apache.org email address.
>> > - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving
>> > and merging pull requests.
>> > - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you
>> cast do
>> > not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
>> > - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
>> > constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested
>> changes.
>> >
>> > PMC Privileges
>> >
>> > - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
>> > - PMC members have write access to the code repository.
>> > - PMC members have @apache.org email address.
>> > - PMC has access to private@ email list
>> > - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC
>> > Votes are *binding*.
>> > - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
>> > - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software
>> product.
>> >
>> Could you clarify on this (I don't think you meant "PMC *must* vote")? How
>> many votes are required by PMCs before the formal release can happen? Is
>> this considered community-related decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are
>> binding?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern
>> please
>> > voice it here before this goes out for voting.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I plan to start a vote on the adopting
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
>> > > to
>> > > replace our current document
>> > >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
>> > > tomorrow
>> > > (Monday).
>> > >
>> > > - Carin
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for
>> providing
>> > > > valuable feedback and discussion.
>> > > >
>> > > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document
>> to
>> > > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki,
>> please
>> > > just
>> > > > ask.
>> > > >
>> > > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have
>> a
>> > > vote
>> > > > on adopting the new
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
>> > > > to replace our current document
>> > > >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
>> > > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a
>> process.
>> > > So,
>> > > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of
>> that
>> > > > vote.
>> > > >
>> > > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on
>> Friday,
>> > > but
>> > > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are
>> > complete.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best,
>> > > > Carin
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
>> > > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the
>> > format
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the
>> notes.
>> > > >> Looking forward to the next one.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Pedro
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <
>> > steffenrochel@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Carin - please see
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
>> > > >> > :
>> > > >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between
>> committer
>> > > and
>> > > >> > PPMC election
>> > > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
>> > > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Steffen
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <
>> carinmeier@gmail.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that
>> > are
>> > > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the
>> meeting
>> > in
>> > > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like
>> to
>> > > >> attend
>> > > >> > the
>> > > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Thanks!
>> > > >> > > Carin
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
>> > > >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
>> > > >> > > wrote:
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
>> > > >> incorporated
>> > > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
>> > > committer/PPMC
>> > > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not
>> be
>> > > >> > > considered
>> > > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > Steffen
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <
>> > carinmeier@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > >> > > wrote:
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer
>> and
>> > > >> PPMC
>> > > >> > > > > guidelines.
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
>> > > >> > > > > .
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
>> > > discussions/revisions
>> > > >> > are
>> > > >> > > > > complete.
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > - Carin
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
>> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
>> > > >> > > > wrote:
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > Great!
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
>> > > >> > > > > > .
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > - Carin
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
>> > > >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
>> > > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
>> > > >> > > > > >> Steffen
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
>> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Background:
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and
>> grow
>> > > the
>> > > >> > > > > community.
>> > > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision
>> the
>> > > >> > current
>> > > >> > > > > >> committer
>> > > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
>> > > committership
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and
>> PMC
>> > > >> > > (discussed
>> > > >> > > > > in
>> > > >> > > > > >> > another thread)
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Current State:
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> >
>> > >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
>> > > >> > > > > >> as
>> > > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
>> > > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after
>> the
>> > > >> Apache
>> > > >> > > Beam
>> > > >> > > > > >> project
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
>> > > >> > > > > >> > =================
>> > > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
>> > > >> > > > > >> > <
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
>> > > >> > > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
>> > > >> > > > > >> > <
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >>
>> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache
>> Software
>> > > >> > Foundation
>> > > >> > > > > code
>> > > >> > > > > >> of
>> > > >> > > > > >> > conduct
>> > > >> > > > > >> > <
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
>> > > >> > > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the
>> responsibilities
>> > of
>> > > >> an
>> > > >> > > > Apache
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
>> > > >> > > > > >> > <
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
>> > > >> > > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam
>> community’s
>> > > >> > practices
>> > > >> > > > > >> > <
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
>> > > >> > > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - =================
>> > > >> > > > > >> > <
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
>> > > >> > > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria
>> with
>> > > >> this
>> > > >> > > model
>> > > >> > > > > it
>> > > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
>> > > >> > acknowledge
>> > > >> > > > that
>> > > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values
>> > and
>> > > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level
>> > but
>> > > we
>> > > >> > > could
>> > > >> > > > > add
>> > > >> > > > > >> it
>> > > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
>> > > responsibilities
>> > > >> > and
>> > > >> > > > > >> values of
>> > > >> > > > > >> > this level.
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible
>> > direction.
>> > > If
>> > > >> > the
>> > > >> > > > > >> community
>> > > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I
>> would be
>> > > >> happy
>> > > >> > to
>> > > >> > > > > >> create
>> > > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at -
>> > (or
>> > > if
>> > > >> > > > someone
>> > > >> > > > > >> else
>> > > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >> > - Carin
>> > > >> > > > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by kellen sunderland <ke...@gmail.com>.
I believe the wording _must_ comes from the fact that the PMC (as a body)
must have a formal vote for a release, otherwise the release will not
happen. I don't believe it means every PMC member is required to vote on
the release. I can see where the confusion comes from, but also feel the
wording is correct.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yuan Tang <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
> > privileges. Please review.
> >
> > Pasting here for convenience
> > Committer Privileges
> >
> > - Committers have write access to the code repository.
> > - Committers have an @apache.org email address.
> > - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving
> > and merging pull requests.
> > - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you cast
> do
> > not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
> > - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
> > constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested changes.
> >
> > PMC Privileges
> >
> > - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
> > - PMC members have write access to the code repository.
> > - PMC members have @apache.org email address.
> > - PMC has access to private@ email list
> > - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC
> > Votes are *binding*.
> > - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
> > - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software
> product.
> >
> Could you clarify on this (I don't think you meant "PMC *must* vote")? How
> many votes are required by PMCs before the formal release can happen? Is
> this considered community-related decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are
> binding?
>
>
> >
> >
> > All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern please
> > voice it here before this goes out for voting.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I plan to start a vote on the adopting
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > to
> > > replace our current document
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > tomorrow
> > > (Monday).
> > >
> > > - Carin
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for
> providing
> > > > valuable feedback and discussion.
> > > >
> > > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document
> to
> > > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please
> > > just
> > > > ask.
> > > >
> > > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a
> > > vote
> > > > on adopting the new
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > > to replace our current document
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a
> process.
> > > So,
> > > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of
> that
> > > > vote.
> > > >
> > > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on
> Friday,
> > > but
> > > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are
> > complete.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Carin
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> > > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the
> > format
> > > >> and
> > > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> > > >> Looking forward to the next one.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pedro
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Carin - please see
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> > > >> > :
> > > >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between
> committer
> > > and
> > > >> > PPMC election
> > > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> > > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Steffen
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <
> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that
> > are
> > > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the
> meeting
> > in
> > > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
> > > >> attend
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks!
> > > >> > > Carin
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> > > >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> > > >> incorporated
> > > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> > > committer/PPMC
> > > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not
> be
> > > >> > > considered
> > > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Steffen
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <
> > carinmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer
> and
> > > >> PPMC
> > > >> > > > > guidelines.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > >> > > > > .
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> > > discussions/revisions
> > > >> > are
> > > >> > > > > complete.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > - Carin
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Great!
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > >> > > > > > .
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > - Carin
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > > >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > >> > > > > >> Steffen
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > Background:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and
> grow
> > > the
> > > >> > > > > community.
> > > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision
> the
> > > >> > current
> > > >> > > > > >> committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> > > committership
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and
> PMC
> > > >> > > (discussed
> > > >> > > > > in
> > > >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > >> > > > > >> as
> > > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
> > > >> Apache
> > > >> > > Beam
> > > >> > > > > >> project
> > > >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > >> > > > > >> > =================
> > > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> > > >> > Foundation
> > > >> > > > > code
> > > >> > > > > >> of
> > > >> > > > > >> > conduct
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the
> responsibilities
> > of
> > > >> an
> > > >> > > > Apache
> > > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam
> community’s
> > > >> > practices
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - =================
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria
> with
> > > >> this
> > > >> > > model
> > > >> > > > > it
> > > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> > > >> > acknowledge
> > > >> > > > that
> > > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values
> > and
> > > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level
> > but
> > > we
> > > >> > > could
> > > >> > > > > add
> > > >> > > > > >> it
> > > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> > > responsibilities
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > > > >> values of
> > > >> > > > > >> > this level.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible
> > direction.
> > > If
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > > >> community
> > > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would
> be
> > > >> happy
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > > > >> create
> > > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at -
> > (or
> > > if
> > > >> > > > someone
> > > >> > > > > >> else
> > > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Yuan Tang <te...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
> privileges. Please review.
>
> Pasting here for convenience
> Committer Privileges
>
> - Committers have write access to the code repository.
> - Committers have an @apache.org email address.
> - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving
> and merging pull requests.
> - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you cast do
> not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
> - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
> constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested changes.
>
> PMC Privileges
>
> - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
> - PMC members have write access to the code repository.
> - PMC members have @apache.org email address.
> - PMC has access to private@ email list
> - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC
> Votes are *binding*.
> - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
> - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software product.
>
Could you clarify on this (I don't think you meant "PMC *must* vote")? How
many votes are required by PMCs before the formal release can happen? Is
this considered community-related decision as well, e.g. PMC vetos are
binding?
>
>
> All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern please
> voice it here before this goes out for voting.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I plan to start a vote on the adopting
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > to
> > replace our current document
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > tomorrow
> > (Monday).
> >
> > - Carin
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing
> > > valuable feedback and discussion.
> > >
> > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to
> > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please
> > just
> > > ask.
> > >
> > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a
> > vote
> > > on adopting the new
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > to replace our current document
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process.
> > So,
> > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that
> > > vote.
> > >
> > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday,
> > but
> > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are
> complete.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Carin
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the
> format
> > >> and
> > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> > >> Looking forward to the next one.
> > >>
> > >> Pedro
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <
> steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Carin - please see
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> > >> > :
> > >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer
> > and
> > >> > PPMC election
> > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> > >> >
> > >> > Steffen
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that
> are
> > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting
> in
> > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
> > >> attend
> > >> > the
> > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks!
> > >> > > Carin
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> > >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> > >> incorporated
> > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> > committer/PPMC
> > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> > >> > > considered
> > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Steffen
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <
> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and
> > >> PPMC
> > >> > > > > guidelines.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > >> > > > > .
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> > discussions/revisions
> > >> > are
> > >> > > > > complete.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > - Carin
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> > >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Great!
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > >> > > > > > .
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > - Carin
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > >> > > > > >> Steffen
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> > >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > Background:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow
> > the
> > >> > > > > community.
> > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> > >> > current
> > >> > > > > >> committer
> > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> > committership
> > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> > >> > > (discussed
> > >> > > > > in
> > >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > >> > > > > >> as
> > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
> > >> Apache
> > >> > > Beam
> > >> > > > > >> project
> > >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > >> > > > > >> > =================
> > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> > >> > Foundation
> > >> > > > > code
> > >> > > > > >> of
> > >> > > > > >> > conduct
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities
> of
> > >> an
> > >> > > > Apache
> > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> > >> > practices
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > - =================
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with
> > >> this
> > >> > > model
> > >> > > > > it
> > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> > >> > acknowledge
> > >> > > > that
> > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values
> and
> > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level
> but
> > we
> > >> > > could
> > >> > > > > add
> > >> > > > > >> it
> > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> > responsibilities
> > >> > and
> > >> > > > > >> values of
> > >> > > > > >> > this level.
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible
> direction.
> > If
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > >> community
> > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
> > >> happy
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > > >> create
> > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at -
> (or
> > if
> > >> > > > someone
> > >> > > > > >> else
> > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Jason for the suggestion.
I added this to the document to call it out:
In particular, code reviews are encouraged as good initial contributions to
gain understanding of the code base as well as the bar of quality that is
required to merge the code. The PPMC strives to actively identify current
reviewers for committer consideration.
Please feel free to provide feedback and edits on it.
Best,
Carin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:54 AM Jason Dai <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Given the recent discussions around code review, I think it makes sense to
> call out the importance of code review contributions for the committer
> criteria.
>
> Thanks,
> -Jason
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 11:12 AM Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
> > privileges. Please review.
> >
> > Pasting here for convenience
> > Committer Privileges
> >
> > - Committers have write access to the code repository.
> > - Committers have an @apache.org email address.
> > - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving
> > and merging pull requests.
> > - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you cast
> do
> > not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
> > - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
> > constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested changes.
> >
> > PMC Privileges
> >
> > - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
> > - PMC members have write access to the code repository.
> > - PMC members have @apache.org email address.
> > - PMC has access to private@ email list
> > - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC
> > Votes are *binding*.
> > - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
> > - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software
> product.
> >
> >
> > All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern please
> > voice it here before this goes out for voting.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I plan to start a vote on the adopting
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > to
> > > replace our current document
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > tomorrow
> > > (Monday).
> > >
> > > - Carin
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for
> providing
> > > > valuable feedback and discussion.
> > > >
> > > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document
> to
> > > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please
> > > just
> > > > ask.
> > > >
> > > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a
> > > vote
> > > > on adopting the new
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > > to replace our current document
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a
> process.
> > > So,
> > > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of
> that
> > > > vote.
> > > >
> > > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on
> Friday,
> > > but
> > > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are
> > complete.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Carin
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> > > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the
> > format
> > > >> and
> > > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> > > >> Looking forward to the next one.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pedro
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Carin - please see
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> > > >> > :
> > > >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between
> committer
> > > and
> > > >> > PPMC election
> > > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> > > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Steffen
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <
> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that
> > are
> > > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the
> meeting
> > in
> > > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
> > > >> attend
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks!
> > > >> > > Carin
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> > > >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> > > >> incorporated
> > > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> > > committer/PPMC
> > > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not
> be
> > > >> > > considered
> > > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Steffen
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <
> > carinmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer
> and
> > > >> PPMC
> > > >> > > > > guidelines.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > >> > > > > .
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> > > discussions/revisions
> > > >> > are
> > > >> > > > > complete.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > - Carin
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Great!
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > >> > > > > > .
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > - Carin
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > > >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > >> > > > > >> Steffen
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> > > >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > Background:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and
> grow
> > > the
> > > >> > > > > community.
> > > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision
> the
> > > >> > current
> > > >> > > > > >> committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> > > committership
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and
> PMC
> > > >> > > (discussed
> > > >> > > > > in
> > > >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > >> > > > > >> as
> > > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
> > > >> Apache
> > > >> > > Beam
> > > >> > > > > >> project
> > > >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > >> > > > > >> > =================
> > > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> > > >> > Foundation
> > > >> > > > > code
> > > >> > > > > >> of
> > > >> > > > > >> > conduct
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the
> responsibilities
> > of
> > > >> an
> > > >> > > > Apache
> > > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam
> community’s
> > > >> > practices
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - =================
> > > >> > > > > >> > <
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria
> with
> > > >> this
> > > >> > > model
> > > >> > > > > it
> > > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> > > >> > acknowledge
> > > >> > > > that
> > > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values
> > and
> > > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level
> > but
> > > we
> > > >> > > could
> > > >> > > > > add
> > > >> > > > > >> it
> > > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> > > responsibilities
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > > > >> values of
> > > >> > > > > >> > this level.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible
> > direction.
> > > If
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > > >> community
> > > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would
> be
> > > >> happy
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > > > >> create
> > > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at -
> > (or
> > > if
> > > >> > > > someone
> > > >> > > > > >> else
> > > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Jason Dai <ja...@gmail.com>.
Given the recent discussions around code review, I think it makes sense to
call out the importance of code review contributions for the committer
criteria.
Thanks,
-Jason
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 11:12 AM Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
> privileges. Please review.
>
> Pasting here for convenience
> Committer Privileges
>
> - Committers have write access to the code repository.
> - Committers have an @apache.org email address.
> - Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving
> and merging pull requests.
> - Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you cast do
> not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
> - Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
> constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested changes.
>
> PMC Privileges
>
> - PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
> - PMC members have write access to the code repository.
> - PMC members have @apache.org email address.
> - PMC has access to private@ email list
> - PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC
> Votes are *binding*.
> - PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
> - PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software product.
>
>
> All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern please
> voice it here before this goes out for voting.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I plan to start a vote on the adopting
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > to
> > replace our current document
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > tomorrow
> > (Monday).
> >
> > - Carin
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing
> > > valuable feedback and discussion.
> > >
> > > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to
> > > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please
> > just
> > > ask.
> > >
> > > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a
> > vote
> > > on adopting the new
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > to replace our current document
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process.
> > So,
> > > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that
> > > vote.
> > >
> > > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday,
> > but
> > > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are
> complete.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Carin
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the
> format
> > >> and
> > >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> > >> Looking forward to the next one.
> > >>
> > >> Pedro
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <
> steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Carin - please see
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> > >> > :
> > >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer
> > and
> > >> > PPMC election
> > >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> > >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> > >> >
> > >> > Steffen
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that
> are
> > >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting
> in
> > >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
> > >> attend
> > >> > the
> > >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks!
> > >> > > Carin
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> > >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> > >> incorporated
> > >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> > committer/PPMC
> > >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> > >> > > considered
> > >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Steffen
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <
> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and
> > >> PPMC
> > >> > > > > guidelines.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > >> > > > > .
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> > discussions/revisions
> > >> > are
> > >> > > > > complete.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > - Carin
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> > >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Great!
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > >> > > > > > .
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > - Carin
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > >> > > > > >> Steffen
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> > >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > Background:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow
> > the
> > >> > > > > community.
> > >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> > >> > current
> > >> > > > > >> committer
> > >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> > committership
> > >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> > >> > > (discussed
> > >> > > > > in
> > >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > >> > > > > >> as
> > >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
> > >> Apache
> > >> > > Beam
> > >> > > > > >> project
> > >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > >> > > > > >> > =================
> > >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> > >> > Foundation
> > >> > > > > code
> > >> > > > > >> of
> > >> > > > > >> > conduct
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities
> of
> > >> an
> > >> > > > Apache
> > >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> > >> > practices
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > - =================
> > >> > > > > >> > <
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with
> > >> this
> > >> > > model
> > >> > > > > it
> > >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> > >> > acknowledge
> > >> > > > that
> > >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values
> and
> > >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level
> but
> > we
> > >> > > could
> > >> > > > > add
> > >> > > > > >> it
> > >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> > responsibilities
> > >> > and
> > >> > > > > >> values of
> > >> > > > > >> > this level.
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible
> direction.
> > If
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > >> community
> > >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
> > >> happy
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > > >> create
> > >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at -
> (or
> > if
> > >> > > > someone
> > >> > > > > >> else
> > >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com>.
I added clarifying sections to explicitly call out committers/PMC
privileges. Please review.
Pasting here for convenience
Committer Privileges
- Committers have write access to the code repository.
- Committers have an @apache.org email address.
- Committers can make short-term decisions for the project, approving
and merging pull requests.
- Committer Vote is *NOT* considered *binding* thus the vote you cast do
not have *Veto* on issues that require consensus.
- Committer's can request changes on Pull Requests but it does not
constitute Veto, PMC can agree to approve or reject requested changes.
PMC Privileges
- PMC makes the long-term decisions with regard to the project.
- PMC members have write access to the code repository.
- PMC members have @apache.org email address.
- PMC has access to private@ email list
- PMC has the right to vote for the community-related decisions, PMC
Votes are *binding*.
- PMC has the right to propose active users for committership.
- PMC must vote on any formal release of the project's software product.
All, I suggest you review the proposal and if there is any concern please
voice it here before this goes out for voting.
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I plan to start a vote on the adopting
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> to
> replace our current document
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> tomorrow
> (Monday).
>
> - Carin
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing
> > valuable feedback and discussion.
> >
> > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to
> > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please
> just
> > ask.
> >
> > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a
> vote
> > on adopting the new
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > to replace our current document
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process.
> So,
> > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that
> > vote.
> >
> > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday,
> but
> > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are complete.
> >
> > Best,
> > Carin
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format
> >> and
> >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> >> Looking forward to the next one.
> >>
> >> Pedro
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Carin - please see
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> >> > :
> >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer
> and
> >> > PPMC election
> >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> >> >
> >> > Steffen
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
> >> attend
> >> > the
> >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks!
> >> > > Carin
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> >> incorporated
> >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> committer/PPMC
> >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> >> > > considered
> >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Steffen
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and
> >> PPMC
> >> > > > > guidelines.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> >> > > > > .
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> discussions/revisions
> >> > are
> >> > > > > complete.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > - Carin
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Great!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> >> > > > > > .
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > - Carin
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> >> > > > > >> Steffen
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> > Background:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow
> the
> >> > > > > community.
> >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> >> > current
> >> > > > > >> committer
> >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> committership
> >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> >> > > (discussed
> >> > > > > in
> >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > >
> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> >> > > > > >> as
> >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
> >> Apache
> >> > > Beam
> >> > > > > >> project
> >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> >> > > > > >> > =================
> >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> >> > Foundation
> >> > > > > code
> >> > > > > >> of
> >> > > > > >> > conduct
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of
> >> an
> >> > > > Apache
> >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> >> > practices
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > - =================
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with
> >> this
> >> > > model
> >> > > > > it
> >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> >> > acknowledge
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but
> we
> >> > > could
> >> > > > > add
> >> > > > > >> it
> >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> responsibilities
> >> > and
> >> > > > > >> values of
> >> > > > > >> > this level.
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction.
> If
> >> > the
> >> > > > > >> community
> >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
> >> happy
> >> > to
> >> > > > > >> create
> >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or
> if
> >> > > > someone
> >> > > > > >> else
> >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Tianqi Chen <tq...@cs.washington.edu>.
Thanks Carin
Tianqi
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:04 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I plan to start a vote on the adopting
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> to
> replace our current document
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> tomorrow
> (Monday).
>
> - Carin
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing
> > valuable feedback and discussion.
> >
> > I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to
> > feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please
> just
> > ask.
> >
> > Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a
> vote
> > on adopting the new
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > to replace our current document
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process.
> So,
> > if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that
> > vote.
> >
> > On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday,
> but
> > will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are complete.
> >
> > Best,
> > Carin
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <
> pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format
> >> and
> >> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> >> Looking forward to the next one.
> >>
> >> Pedro
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Carin - please see
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> >> > :
> >> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer
> and
> >> > PPMC election
> >> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> >> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> >> >
> >> > Steffen
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> >> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> >> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
> >> attend
> >> > the
> >> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks!
> >> > > Carin
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> >> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> >> incorporated
> >> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate
> committer/PPMC
> >> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> >> > > considered
> >> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Steffen
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and
> >> PPMC
> >> > > > > guidelines.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> >> > > > > .
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the
> discussions/revisions
> >> > are
> >> > > > > complete.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > - Carin
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
> >> carinmeier@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Great!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> >> > > > > > .
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > - Carin
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> >> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> >> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> >> > > > > >> Steffen
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> >> carinmeier@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> > Background:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow
> the
> >> > > > > community.
> >> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> >> > current
> >> > > > > >> committer
> >> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> >> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to
> committership
> >> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> >> > > (discussed
> >> > > > > in
> >> > > > > >> > another thread)
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Current State:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > >
> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> >> > > > > >> as
> >> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> >> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
> >> Apache
> >> > > Beam
> >> > > > > >> project
> >> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> >> > > > > >> > =================
> >> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> >> > Foundation
> >> > > > > code
> >> > > > > >> of
> >> > > > > >> > conduct
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of
> >> an
> >> > > > Apache
> >> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> >> > practices
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > - =================
> >> > > > > >> > <
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with
> >> this
> >> > > model
> >> > > > > it
> >> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> >> > acknowledge
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> >> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but
> we
> >> > > could
> >> > > > > add
> >> > > > > >> it
> >> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF
> responsibilities
> >> > and
> >> > > > > >> values of
> >> > > > > >> > this level.
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction.
> If
> >> > the
> >> > > > > >> community
> >> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
> >> happy
> >> > to
> >> > > > > >> create
> >> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or
> if
> >> > > > someone
> >> > > > > >> else
> >> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > - Carin
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
I plan to start a vote on the adopting
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
to
replace our current document
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer tomorrow
(Monday).
- Carin
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:32 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing
> valuable feedback and discussion.
>
> I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to
> feel free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please just
> ask.
>
> Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a vote
> on adopting the new
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> to replace our current document
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process. So,
> if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that
> vote.
>
> On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday, but
> will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are complete.
>
> Best,
> Carin
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <pe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format
>> and
>> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
>> Looking forward to the next one.
>>
>> Pedro
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Carin - please see
>> >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
>> > :
>> > Discussion about committer proposal:
>> >
>> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and
>> > PPMC election
>> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
>> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
>> >
>> >
>> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
>> >
>> > Steffen
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
>> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
>> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to
>> attend
>> > the
>> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > > Carin
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
>> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
>> incorporated
>> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
>> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
>> > > considered
>> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
>> > > >
>> > > > Steffen
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and
>> PPMC
>> > > > > guidelines.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
>> > > > > .
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions
>> > are
>> > > > > complete.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - Carin
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <
>> carinmeier@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Great!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
>> > > > > > .
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > - Carin
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
>> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
>> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
>> > > > > >> Steffen
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
>> carinmeier@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> > Background:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
>> > > > > community.
>> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
>> > current
>> > > > > >> committer
>> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
>> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
>> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
>> > > (discussed
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > >> > another thread)
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Current State:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > >
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
>> > > > > >> as
>> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
>> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Proposal:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
>> Apache
>> > > Beam
>> > > > > >> project
>> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
>> > > > > >> > =================
>> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
>> > > > > >> > <
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
>> > > > > >> > <
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
>> > Foundation
>> > > > > code
>> > > > > >> of
>> > > > > >> > conduct
>> > > > > >> > <
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of
>> an
>> > > > Apache
>> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
>> > > > > >> > <
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
>> > practices
>> > > > > >> > <
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > - =================
>> > > > > >> > <
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with
>> this
>> > > model
>> > > > > it
>> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
>> > acknowledge
>> > > > that
>> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
>> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we
>> > > could
>> > > > > add
>> > > > > >> it
>> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities
>> > and
>> > > > > >> values of
>> > > > > >> > this level.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If
>> > the
>> > > > > >> community
>> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
>> happy
>> > to
>> > > > > >> create
>> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if
>> > > > someone
>> > > > > >> else
>> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > - Carin
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for publishing the notes and also thanks everyone for providing
valuable feedback and discussion.
I encourage everyone that has ideas for improvement to the document to feel
free to edit and revise. If you need a login to the wiki, please just ask.
Also, while editing, please keep in mind that the intent is to have a vote
on adopting the new
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
to replace our current document
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
before a vote on separating levels of committer and PPMC as a process. So,
if possible, adopting wording that would work in either outcome of that
vote.
On the subject of voting, I was thinking of starting a vote on Friday, but
will delay that until the active discussions and revisions are complete.
Best,
Carin
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:39 AM Pedro Larroy <pe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format and
> found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
> Looking forward to the next one.
>
> Pedro
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Carin - please see
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> > :
> > Discussion about committer proposal:
> >
> > - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and
> > PPMC election
> > - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> > - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
> >
> >
> > Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
> >
> > Steffen
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> > > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> > > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend
> > the
> > > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Carin
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <
> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I
> incorporated
> > > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
> > > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> > > considered
> > > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > > >
> > > > Steffen
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> > > > > guidelines.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions
> > are
> > > > > complete.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Carin
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > > > > .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Carin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > > > >> Steffen
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <
> carinmeier@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Background:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
> > > > > community.
> > > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> > current
> > > > > >> committer
> > > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> > > (discussed
> > > > > in
> > > > > >> > another thread)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Current State:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > > > >> >
> > > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > > > >> as
> > > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Proposal:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache
> > > Beam
> > > > > >> project
> > > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > > > >> > =================
> > > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > > > >> > <
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > > > > >> > <
> > > > > >> >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> > Foundation
> > > > > code
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> > conduct
> > > > > >> > <
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an
> > > > Apache
> > > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > > > > >> > <
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> > practices
> > > > > >> > <
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > - =================
> > > > > >> > <
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this
> > > model
> > > > > it
> > > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> > acknowledge
> > > > that
> > > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we
> > > could
> > > > > add
> > > > > >> it
> > > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities
> > and
> > > > > >> values of
> > > > > >> > this level.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If
> > the
> > > > > >> community
> > > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
> happy
> > to
> > > > > >> create
> > > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if
> > > > someone
> > > > > >> else
> > > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > - Carin
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Pedro Larroy <pe...@gmail.com>.
This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format and
found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
Looking forward to the next one.
Pedro
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Carin - please see
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> :
> Discussion about committer proposal:
>
> - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and
> PPMC election
> - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
> - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
>
>
> Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
>
> Steffen
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend
> the
> > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Carin
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I incorporated
> > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
> > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> > considered
> > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > >
> > > Steffen
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> > > > guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions
> are
> > > > complete.
> > > >
> > > > - Carin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Great!
> > > > >
> > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Carin
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > > >> Steffen
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Background:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
> > > > community.
> > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> current
> > > > >> committer
> > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> > (discussed
> > > > in
> > > > >> > another thread)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Current State:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > > >> >
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > > >> as
> > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Proposal:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache
> > Beam
> > > > >> project
> > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > > >> > =================
> > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > >
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> Foundation
> > > > code
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> > conduct
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an
> > > Apache
> > > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> practices
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > - =================
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this
> > model
> > > > it
> > > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool,
> acknowledge
> > > that
> > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we
> > could
> > > > add
> > > > >> it
> > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities
> and
> > > > >> values of
> > > > >> > this level.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If
> the
> > > > >> community
> > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy
> to
> > > > >> create
> > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if
> > > someone
> > > > >> else
> > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Carin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>.
Carin - please see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
:
Discussion about committer proposal:
- Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and
PPMC election
- Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
- Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
Steffen
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend the
> session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
>
> Thanks!
> Carin
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I incorporated
> > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
> > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> considered
> > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> >
> > Steffen
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> > > guidelines.
> > >
> > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > .
> > >
> > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions are
> > > complete.
> > >
> > > - Carin
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great!
> > > >
> > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > >
> > > > - Carin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > >> Steffen
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Background:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
> > > community.
> > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current
> > > >> committer
> > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> (discussed
> > > in
> > > >> > another thread)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Current State:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > >> >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > >> as
> > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Proposal:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache
> Beam
> > > >> project
> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > >> > =================
> > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Takes many forms
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation
> > > code
> > > >> of
> > > >> > conduct
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an
> > Apache
> > > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > - =================
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this
> model
> > > it
> > > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge
> > that
> > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we
> could
> > > add
> > > >> it
> > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and
> > > >> values of
> > > >> > this level.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the
> > > >> community
> > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to
> > > >> create
> > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if
> > someone
> > > >> else
> > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Carin
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend the
session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
Thanks!
Carin
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I incorporated
> Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
> candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be considered
> as a hard rule, but recommendation.
>
> Steffen
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> > guidelines.
> >
> > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > .
> >
> > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions are
> > complete.
> >
> > - Carin
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Great!
> > >
> > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > .
> > >
> > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > >
> > > - Carin
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > >> Steffen
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Background:
> > >> >
> > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
> > community.
> > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current
> > >> committer
> > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > >> >
> > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC (discussed
> > in
> > >> > another thread)
> > >> >
> > >> > Current State:
> > >> >
> > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > >> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > >> as
> > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > >> >
> > >> > Proposal:
> > >> >
> > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache Beam
> > >> project
> > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > >> >
> > >> > Short quote from page:
> > >> > =================
> > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > >> > <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > - Takes many forms
> > >> > <
> > >> >
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > >> >
> > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation
> > code
> > >> of
> > >> > conduct
> > >> > <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > >> > >
> > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an
> Apache
> > >> > Software Foundation committer
> > >> > <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > >> > >
> > >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
> > >> > <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >> > >
> > >> > - =================
> > >> > <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this model
> > it
> > >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge
> that
> > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > >> > responsibilities.
> > >> >
> > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we could
> > add
> > >> it
> > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and
> > >> values of
> > >> > this level.
> > >> >
> > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the
> > >> community
> > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to
> > >> create
> > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if
> someone
> > >> else
> > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > >> >
> > >> > - Carin
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>.
Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I incorporated
Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be considered
as a hard rule, but recommendation.
Steffen
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> guidelines.
>
> Please everyone review and provide feedback
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> .
>
> I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions are
> complete.
>
> - Carin
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great!
> >
> > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > .
> >
> > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> >
> > - Carin
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> >> Steffen
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Background:
> >> >
> >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
> community.
> >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current
> >> committer
> >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> >> >
> >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC (discussed
> in
> >> > another thread)
> >> >
> >> > Current State:
> >> >
> >> > The current committer criteria is here
> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> >> as
> >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> >> >
> >> > Proposal:
> >> >
> >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache Beam
> >> project
> >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> >> >
> >> > Short quote from page:
> >> > =================
> >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> >> > <
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > - Takes many forms
> >> > <
> >> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> >> >
> >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation
> code
> >> of
> >> > conduct
> >> > <
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> >> > >
> >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an Apache
> >> > Software Foundation committer
> >> > <
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> >> > >
> >> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
> >> > <
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > >
> >> > - =================
> >> > <
> >> >
> >>
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this model
> it
> >> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge that
> >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> >> > responsibilities.
> >> >
> >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we could
> add
> >> it
> >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and
> >> values of
> >> > this level.
> >> >
> >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the
> >> community
> >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to
> >> create
> >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if someone
> >> else
> >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> >> >
> >> > - Carin
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
guidelines.
Please everyone review and provide feedback
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
.
I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions are
complete.
- Carin
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great!
>
> I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> .
>
> Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
>
> - Carin
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
>> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
>> Steffen
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Background:
>> >
>> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the community.
>> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current
>> committer
>> > criteria in light of the following goals:
>> >
>> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
>> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
>> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC (discussed in
>> > another thread)
>> >
>> > Current State:
>> >
>> > The current committer criteria is here
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
>> as
>> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
>> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
>> >
>> > Proposal:
>> >
>> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache Beam
>> project
>> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
>> >
>> > Short quote from page:
>> > =================
>> > An Apache Beam committer…
>> > <
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
>> > >
>> >
>> > - Takes many forms
>> > <
>> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
>> >
>> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation code
>> of
>> > conduct
>> > <
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
>> > >
>> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an Apache
>> > Software Foundation committer
>> > <
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
>> > >
>> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
>> > <
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
>> > >
>> > - =================
>> > <
>> >
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this model it
>> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge that
>> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
>> > responsibilities.
>> >
>> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we could add
>> it
>> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and
>> values of
>> > this level.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the
>> community
>> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to
>> create
>> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if someone
>> else
>> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
>> >
>> > - Carin
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
Great!
I started a rough draft for collaboration at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
.
Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
- Carin
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> Steffen
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Background:
> >
> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the community.
> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current
> committer
> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> >
> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC (discussed in
> > another thread)
> >
> > Current State:
> >
> > The current committer criteria is here
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> as
> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> >
> > Proposal:
> >
> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache Beam
> project
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> >
> > Short quote from page:
> > =================
> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > <
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > >
> >
> > - Takes many forms
> > <
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms>
> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation code
> of
> > conduct
> > <
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > >
> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an Apache
> > Software Foundation committer
> > <
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > >
> > - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
> > <
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >
> > - =================
> > <
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > >
> >
> >
> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this model it
> > will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge that
> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > responsibilities.
> >
> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we could add
> it
> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and values
> of
> > this level.
> >
> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the
> community
> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to create
> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if someone
> else
> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> >
> > - Carin
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Posted by Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>.
+1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
Steffen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Background:
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> There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the community.
> This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current committer
> criteria in light of the following goals:
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> - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC (discussed in
> another thread)
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> Current State:
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> The current committer criteria is here
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer as
> is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
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> Proposal:
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> Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache Beam project
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
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> Short quote from page:
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> An Apache Beam committer…
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> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
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> - Takes many forms
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> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms>
> - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation code of
> conduct
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> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> >
> - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an Apache
> Software Foundation committer
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> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
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> - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
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> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
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> - =================
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> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
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> I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this model it
> will open the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge that
> there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> responsibilities.
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> The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we could add it
> in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities and values of
> this level.
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> Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If the community
> is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy to create
> of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if someone else
> wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
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> - Carin
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