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[Bug 123206] New: Fields -> other -> cross referencing flexibility
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123206
Bug ID: 123206
Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
Summary: Fields -> other -> cross referencing flexibility
Product: Writer
Version: 4.0.0
Hardware: PC
OS: Windows 7
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Severity: normal
Priority: P4
Component: editing
Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org
Reporter: aschwarz@acm.org
CC: issues@openoffice.apache.org
Well, your default settings for figures, frames, and tables just don't work for
me. This forces me to use Fields -> other ->cross referencing. I have a
suggestion for changing the options to be more accommodating.
There are several characteristics of these fields which should be selectable:
1: The field name to be used for field selection.
2: The display text associated with the name when the field is used.
3: The TOC category to be used when a TOC is created.
4: The TOC display text (which may be different or the same as the
use display text.
5: Autonumbering algorithm to be used:
a. Existing scheme (one-up number globally affected). For example
Table 1, Table 2, ...
b. By Section/Chapter (one-up number effective for a Section).
For example
Table 3.2-1, Table 3.3-1, Table 4.5.2-1, ...
c. Selection of the heading level to start one-up numbering.
For example
Select all heading levels (same as b. above)
Select Heading2 (using example in b.)
Table 3.2-1, Table 3.2-2, Table 4.5-1
Select Heading1 (using example in b.)
Table 3-1, Table 3-2, Table 4-1
d. Select no autonumbering (strictly manual numbering).
As an example, suppose I have a frame and I place a frame title centered at the
bottom of the frame outside the frame boundaries, then when I perform a Field
-> other -> cross reference I would like to be presenting with the following
"Set Reference" options:
Reference Name
Reference Text
Table of Contents category
Table of Contents text.
And a new options to set autonumbering, perhaps
Fields -> other -> autonumbering
Category <user chosen>
Numbering (Global, Heading, ...)
And if I enter:
Fields -> other -> autonumbering
Category Example
Numbering Heading 8
Fields -> other -> cross referencing -> Set Reference
Reference Name Example 4.1.2-1 (autogenerated number)
Reference Text Just an Example
Table of Contents category Example
Table of Contents text Another Example
I would get in the TOC
Example
Example 4.1.2-1 Another Example
And when I use (Field -> other -> cross reference -> insert) for the entry I
would get
... Example 4.1.2-1 Just an Example ...
It would be nice to be able to selectively use/not use the Reference Text when
the reference is selected.
And, if autonumbering is implemented then automoving (ya' move it the number
changes) remains.
It is clear (to me) that if autonumbering by a user chosen category is an
option then some of the placement and methods used should be put in a place
other than in Fields (which I assume is for manual and not automatic control).
But it also seems that the options, wherever placed, should be available.
The motivation for this is that:
1: The existing default autonumbering scheme does not suit my purposes.
2: The existing default autoplacement scheme is just wrong.
The workaround for autonumbering is that every time I move one item in a
category then there is an affect on all items following the moved item in both
the 'from' and the 'to' location. Tedious.
And finally. Please don't take this as a criticism. It is not; not at all. And
don't think that I am so "full of myself" that I think that this is the best or
only solution. But, it would be nice ...
If you want a formal description of the requirements, information flow,
placement and GUI I can provide it but it will take a month or so.
art
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[Issue 123206] Fields -> other -> cross referencing flexibility
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123206
aschwarz@acm.org changed:
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--- Comment #3 from aschwarz@acm.org ---
Created attachment 83188
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TextWriter document (incomplete)
My comments were written against the included file. (Don't complain, I know it
needs editing and is incomplete).
You are free to modify and/or distribute the document providing that the
modified document is (also) sent to me. The document will be licensed and open
sourced when complete.
I hope that this helps. If you need additional information then I will provide
it.
thanks
art
PS I really, really like OO. I do hope that (some of) my suggestions are
implemented.
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[Issue 123206] Fields -> other -> cross referencing flexibility
Posted by bu...@apache.org.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123206
--- Comment #5 from aschwarz@acm.org ---
(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #4)
> How is the Symmetric List Processor related to cross referencing given in
> description?
This is the document I was working on when I generated my comments. If you look
at the document all of the "things I don't like to do" are contained in it.
But, if you want an example, do you mean you want an example illustrating what
I would like to see? Or do you want an example of something that I have done
which I think is bad? Don't know, willing to work on either or both.
If you look at the figures, examples, and tables you can probably figure out
what I did. I think I followed all the rules(?) and tried to 'force' the
environment into something that I wanted. If you'd like, I can try to recapture
and send a stepwise list of commands executed (see above).
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Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> changed:
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--- Comment #2 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
Please attach example.
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Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> changed:
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--- Comment #9 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
Confirmed with
AOO420m1(Build:9800) - Rev. 1586681
Rev.1586681
Win 7
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--- Comment #8 from aschwarz@acm.org ---
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I forgot to include a numbering style option. Regardless
of how heading numbering is defined, the user may want to see the numbering of
object treated differently. If the Heading Style(s) specify I.a.i.1, the user
may want to specify 1.1.1.1, or anything else. This effects selection of a
Heading option specifically, but also affects Global selection.
I hope that this isn't too confusing, but confusing or not if it's not
sufficient then send me e-mail for more details.
art
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--- Comment #7 from aschwarz@acm.org ---
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Proposed Style for Text and Numbering of objects
Here is another approach to identifying and using numbering and names for
Figures and Tables, as well as frames and objects. The idea is built on
existing Style definitions and should be consistent in use with Styles, eg,
once a style is created can be indefinitely reused. Not given in the example is
means to use the style in document. I propose that for Figures, selection of a
style creates a frame in which a figure can be imported, drawn, or otherwise
constructed. For a Table, selecting a style consists of selecting a table, then
a style with positioning etc. done automatically.
If an title exists, then selecting a style will change the title text,
associating the title with the object automatically and positioning it as
required.
There are a number of options (not included in the writeup) which can be used
to identify the runtime behavior. This has the desired effect of not requiring
a hard decision to be made as to which option is 'mandated', and at the same
time giving development some means for future change.
I hope you like this.
art
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[Bug 123206] Fields -> other -> cross referencing flexibility
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--- Comment #1 from aschwarz@acm.org ---
Sigh. In haste we write, in reflection we change.
I forgot about placement of the item. Your standard placement of captions in
frames and tables just doesn't work. So, it would be nice to have an option, by
user selected (or OO selected) category for placement. I would suggest that for
tables it should be before/after the table with alignment (center, right, ...),
and for frames it should be inside/outside, top/bottom with alignment (center,
right, ...)
Also, the association of the names (Table, Figure, Example, ,...) for frames,
tables and other things should be by user choice. For example in my current
document I use a frame for graphic text (Figure) and for textual examples
(Example). I place my user defined multi-line caption centered on the bottom
outside the frame and number it by heading level (Figure 1.2.3-1). I use Fields
-> other -> cross reference to capture the caption, but then there is no way to
put this into the TOC.
Your option, for frames, is place the text "Figure" with autonumbering on the
left of the frame inside the frame. I suppose that this can be adjusted to the
bottom center. The autonumbering used is undesired. The placement inside a
frame means that if the frame has a border, then the identifying text is inside
the border. To me this seems bad.
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--- Comment #6 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
IMHO this case study is obscuring your idea.
A simple mock-up visualizing what you have in mind along with a minimal example
for usage is best.
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--- Comment #4 from Edwin Sharp <el...@apache.org> ---
How is the Symmetric List Processor related to cross referencing given in
description?
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