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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Brendan Vogt <br...@gmail.com> on 2010/02/03 12:36:25 UTC
Party Information Needed
Hi,
I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how everything
fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the party
better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party types
are like person, customer, employee, etc?
Regards,
Brendan
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@free.fr>.
The 1st volume is enough for most implementations
Jacques
From: "Christopher Snow" <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>
>I bought all three, but haven't got past book 1!
>
> What are you struggling with in understanding ofbiz?
>
> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>> I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
>> volumes?
>>
>> I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
>> and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
>> books help me?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From memory:
>>>
>>> Product Management
>>> Ordering
>>> Invoicing
>>> Shipments
>>> Workeffort
>>> HR
>>>
>>>
>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> With what else does it help with?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>>>>> party
>>>>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>>>>> types
>>>>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Brendan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>.
This is a good starting point:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide
Learning ofbiz can be a long journey, but it's worth it.
Brendan Vogt wrote:
> I've just managed to get everything setup correctly, The webpages and
> everything work correctly. I want to figure out how everything works, so I
> decided to start with party manager because it looks the easiest to
> understand. So I am browsing the various party screens. So next step is to
> look at code to see how everything is done and how it adds, deletes, updates
> data to the database.
>
> Any ideas where to start looking for a novice beginner? I am a .NET
> programmer and don't have much experience with anything Java related.
>
>
>
>
> On 3 February 2010 14:10, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
>
>
>> I bought all three, but haven't got past book 1!
>>
>> What are you struggling with in understanding ofbiz?
>>
>>
>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
>>> volumes?
>>>
>>> I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
>>> and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
>>> books help me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From memory:
>>>>
>>>> Product Management
>>>> Ordering
>>>> Invoicing
>>>> Shipments
>>>> Workeffort
>>>> HR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> With what else does it help with?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>>>>>> types
>>>>>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Brendan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Brendan Vogt <br...@gmail.com>.
I've just managed to get everything setup correctly, The webpages and
everything work correctly. I want to figure out how everything works, so I
decided to start with party manager because it looks the easiest to
understand. So I am browsing the various party screens. So next step is to
look at code to see how everything is done and how it adds, deletes, updates
data to the database.
Any ideas where to start looking for a novice beginner? I am a .NET
programmer and don't have much experience with anything Java related.
On 3 February 2010 14:10, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
> I bought all three, but haven't got past book 1!
>
> What are you struggling with in understanding ofbiz?
>
>
> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>
>> I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
>> volumes?
>>
>> I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
>> and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
>> books help me?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> From memory:
>>>
>>> Product Management
>>> Ordering
>>> Invoicing
>>> Shipments
>>> Workeffort
>>> HR
>>>
>>>
>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> With what else does it help with?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>>>>> party
>>>>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>>>>> types
>>>>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Brendan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>.
I bought all three, but haven't got past book 1!
What are you struggling with in understanding ofbiz?
Brendan Vogt wrote:
> I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
> volumes?
>
> I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
> and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
> books help me?
>
>
>
>
> On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
>
>
>> From memory:
>>
>> Product Management
>> Ordering
>> Invoicing
>> Shipments
>> Workeffort
>> HR
>>
>>
>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>
>>
>>> With what else does it help with?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
>>>>> everything
>>>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>>>> party
>>>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>>>> types
>>>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Brendan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Brendan Vogt <br...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Matt for the detailed description. I bought the first book, going to
buy them one at a time.
On 3 February 2010 22:10, Matt Warnock <mw...@ridgecrestherbals.com>wrote:
> In my experience, these books are really valuable. I've read 1&2, just
> got 3 (opened it 10 minutes ago). Silverston lays out how to store data
> in tables that make sense, rather than (for example) the usual separate
> tables for employees, suppliers, customers, etc. If a customer becomes
> an employee, which record is "right"? Or what if Joe Jones moves from
> headquarters to the branch office in Paducah? A role or location change
> shouldn't upset the whole apple-cart. OFBiz follows these ideas.
>
> Yes it is more complex than the traditional model-- but you have to go
> there anyway. Even my Motorola Droid now recognizes that any person may
> have an arbitrary number of addresses and phone numbers, not just 1 fax,
> 1 phone, 1 pager, etc. Same idea-- model the objects, then link them as
> needed to show relationships.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 14:08 +0200, Brendan Vogt wrote:
> > I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all
> 3
> > volumes?
> >
> > I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
> > and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
> > books help me?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
> >wrote:
> >
> > > From memory:
> > >
> > > Product Management
> > > Ordering
> > > Invoicing
> > > Shipments
> > > Workeffort
> > > HR
> > >
> > >
> > > Brendan Vogt wrote:
> > >
> > >> With what else does it help with?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <
> snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
> > >>>> everything
> > >>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding
> the
> > >>>> party
> > >>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different
> party
> > >>>> types
> > >>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Brendan
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>
> --
> Matt Warnock <mw...@ridgecrestherbals.com>
> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Matt Warnock <mw...@ridgecrestherbals.com>.
In my experience, these books are really valuable. I've read 1&2, just
got 3 (opened it 10 minutes ago). Silverston lays out how to store data
in tables that make sense, rather than (for example) the usual separate
tables for employees, suppliers, customers, etc. If a customer becomes
an employee, which record is "right"? Or what if Joe Jones moves from
headquarters to the branch office in Paducah? A role or location change
shouldn't upset the whole apple-cart. OFBiz follows these ideas.
Yes it is more complex than the traditional model-- but you have to go
there anyway. Even my Motorola Droid now recognizes that any person may
have an arbitrary number of addresses and phone numbers, not just 1 fax,
1 phone, 1 pager, etc. Same idea-- model the objects, then link them as
needed to show relationships.
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 14:08 +0200, Brendan Vogt wrote:
> I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
> volumes?
>
> I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
> and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
> books help me?
>
>
>
>
> On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
>
> > From memory:
> >
> > Product Management
> > Ordering
> > Invoicing
> > Shipments
> > Workeffort
> > HR
> >
> >
> > Brendan Vogt wrote:
> >
> >> With what else does it help with?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
> >>>> everything
> >>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
> >>>> party
> >>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
> >>>> types
> >>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Brendan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Matt Warnock <mw...@ridgecrestherbals.com>
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Brendan Vogt <br...@gmail.com>.
I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
volumes?
I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
books help me?
On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
> From memory:
>
> Product Management
> Ordering
> Invoicing
> Shipments
> Workeffort
> HR
>
>
> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>
>> With what else does it help with?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
>>>> everything
>>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>>> party
>>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>>> types
>>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Brendan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
the Data model books give you and Idea of how the data ties together,
somewhat. Ofbiz has modified some of the ways data is handled.
this will give you and Idea how ofbiz works
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams
here are some good links
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Documentation+Index
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
Brendan Vogt sent the following on 2/3/2010 4:08 AM:
> I've just been reading it on Amazon. Is it worthwhile to go and buy all 3
> volumes?
>
> I want to create my own e-commerce product in .NET, OFBiz too big for me,
> and the way things are done is not understandable for me. Will these 3
> books help me?
>
>
>
>
> On 3 February 2010 14:03, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> From memory:
>>
>> Product Management
>> Ordering
>> Invoicing
>> Shipments
>> Workeffort
>> HR
>>
>>
>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>
>>> With what else does it help with?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <snowch@snowconsulting.co.uk
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how
>>>>> everything
>>>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>>>> party
>>>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>>>> types
>>>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Brendan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>.
From memory:
Product Management
Ordering
Invoicing
Shipments
Workeffort
HR
Brendan Vogt wrote:
> With what else does it help with?
>
>
>
> On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
>
>
>> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>>
>>
>> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how everything
>>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>>> party
>>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>>> types
>>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brendan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Brendan Vogt <br...@gmail.com>.
With what else does it help with?
On 3 February 2010 13:46, Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>wrote:
> The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
>
>
> Brendan Vogt wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how everything
>> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the
>> party
>> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party
>> types
>> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brendan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Party Information Needed
Posted by Christopher Snow <sn...@snowconsulting.co.uk>.
The Data Model Resource book volume 1 really helps with this.
Brendan Vogt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to understand how the party manager works, and how everything
> fits in together. Is there any documentation about understanding the party
> better? Like for example, how do I find out what the different party types
> are like person, customer, employee, etc?
>
> Regards,
> Brendan
>
>