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File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Hello,
I have been using Tomcat for about 18 years. As far as I can remember, everything that I leave on the log with System.out.println() has been found inside the file "catalina.out" which has been nice. However, this seems to have changed.
I just migrated to Ubuntu 20.04 + Tomcat 9.0.31, and installed Tomcat doing a "sudo apt install tomcat9". Now I see that the file "catalina.out" never gets created, and that everything that had been sent there is now being sent to the Ubuntu/Linux/Debian log "syslog". I don't like that, I want to keep having a separate/dedicated log for Tomcat (which is something I check very often) and not havoing to search for it inside syslog (which is something I rarely inspect).
I have done some research, and this is what I have discovered (if I understood everything correctly):
- Tomcat now runs as a service inside something called "systemsd"
- For some reason, the people at Ubuntu/Debian/Linux decided that Tomcat's log should be found inside syslog, instead of staying independent inside "catalina.out". Why is that? I don't know and I don't like it!
- The other files inside /var/log/tomcat get created, including the "catalina.YYYY-MM-DD.log" files. But I dont' find my "System.out.println()" messages there, which has always been the case.
- I have found, however, that syslog tries to create and populate the "catalina.out" file as well, since I have found an error inside syslog that says something like "rsyslogd: file '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied".
- I have also found a file "/etc/rsyslog.d/tomcat9.conf" which, indeed, seams to indicate syslog that the file "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out" must be populated. Which makes sense and should solve my needs.
- Considering the "Permission denied" error message, I started playing with the permissions (something that I really don't have much experience with). If I remember correctly, I created the file "catalina.out" manually, and the modified its properties so the owners are "tomcat/adm", since the "syslog" process/user seems to be inside the "adm" group. Restarted everything... and the "catalina.out" file got created and populated!!! So it seems that the main obstacle here is a lack of correct permissions so syslog can do what has been told and populate the "catalina.out" file. Did I get it right?
- However, when I delete all the log files (which I do every once in a while), the permissions that I assigned get lost and the file doesn't get created anymore.
What are we supposed to do to deal with this problem? Can/should we do something so the Tomcat log doesn't go to syslog? If not, and considering that it seems that syslog is trying to populate the "catalina.out" file as it has been told, what should we do to correct the permissions problem?
Thanks in advance!
Brian
Re: [OT] File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using
Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Emmanuel,
On 6/22/20 16:36, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 22/06/2020 à 20:03, Christopher Schultz a écrit :
>
>> It looks like whoever is responsible for packing Tomcat for
>> Ubuntu has something missing, there. I suggest you file a bug
>> with Ubuntu.
>
> That must be me :) I'll get a look.
I didn't want to be presumptuous :)
- -chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 23/06/2020 à 02:53, Brian a écrit :
> Please do! It definitely looks like a bug.
> I just reported the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat9/+bug/1884591
I've just uploaded tomcat9/9.0.36-1 in Debian and changed the
permissions [1] on the log directory. This will propagate to Ubuntu
sooner or later.
Emmanuel Bourg
[1] https://salsa.debian.org/java-team/tomcat9/-/commit/51128fe9
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Brian <br...@emailbb.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
Reply-To: Tomcat Users List <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, June 22, 2020 at 15:36
To: "users@tomcat.apache.org" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Le 22/06/2020 à 20:03, Christopher Schultz a écrit :
> It looks like whoever is responsible for packing Tomcat for Ubuntu has
> something missing, there. I suggest you file a bug with Ubuntu.
That must be me :) I'll get a look.
Emmanuel Bourg
Hi Emmanuel,
Please do! It definitely looks like a bug.
I just reported the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat9/+bug/1884591
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/06/2020 à 20:03, Christopher Schultz a écrit :
> It looks like whoever is responsible for packing Tomcat for Ubuntu has
> something missing, there. I suggest you file a bug with Ubuntu.
That must be me :) I'll get a look.
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Brian,
On 6/22/20 12:43, Brian wrote:
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> Brian,
>
> On 6/22/20 02:04, Brian wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have been using Tomcat for about 18 years. As far as I can
>> remember, everything that I leave on the log with
>> System.out.println() has been found inside the file
>> "catalina.out" which has been nice. However, this seems to have
>> changed. I just migrated to Ubuntu 20.04 + Tomcat 9.0.31, and
>> installed Tomcat doing a "sudo apt install tomcat9". Now I see
>> that the file "catalina.out" never gets created, and that
>> everything that had been sent there is now being sent to the
>> Ubuntu/Linux/Debian log "syslog". I don't like that, I want to
>> keep having a separate/dedicated log for Tomcat (which is
>> something I check very often) and not havoing to search for it
>> inside syslog (which is something I rarely inspect).
>>
>> I have done some research, and this is what I have discovered (if
>> I understood everything correctly):
>>
>> - Tomcat now runs as a service inside something called "systemsd"
>> - For some reason, the people at Ubuntu/Debian/Linux decided
>> that Tomcat's log should be found inside syslog, instead of
>> staying independent inside "catalina.out". Why is that? I don't
>> know and I don't like it! - The other files inside
>> /var/log/tomcat get created, including the
>> "catalina.YYYY-MM-DD.log" files. But I dont' find my
>> "System.out.println()" messages there, which has always been the
>> case. - I have found, however, that syslog tries to create and
>> populate the "catalina.out" file as well, since I have found an
>> error inside syslog that says something like "rsyslogd: file
>> '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied".
>> - I have also found a file "/etc/rsyslog.d/tomcat9.conf" which,
>> indeed, seams to indicate syslog that the file
>> "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out" must be populated. Which makes
>> sense and should solve my needs. - Considering the "Permission
>> denied" error message, I started playing with the permissions
>> (something that I really don't have much experience with). If I
>> remember correctly, I created the file "catalina.out" manually,
>> and the modified its properties so the owners are "tomcat/adm",
>> since the "syslog" process/user seems to be inside the "adm"
>> group. Restarted everything... and the "catalina.out" file got
>> created and populated!!! So it seems that the main obstacle here
>> is a lack of correct permissions so syslog can do what has been
>> told and populate the "catalina.out" file. Did I get it right? -
>> However, when I delete all the log files (which I do every once
>> in a while), the permissions that I assigned get lost and the
>> file doesn't get created anymore.
>>
>> What are we supposed to do to deal with this problem? Can/should
>> we do something so the Tomcat log doesn't go to syslog? If not,
>> and considering that it seems that syslog is trying to populate
>> the "catalina.out" file as it has been told, what should we do
>> to correct the permissions problem?
>
> What are the permissions of the /var/log/tomcat directory?
>
> Hello Chris,
>
> I did a "ls -l /var/log/". According to that, this is what I see
> for "/var/log/tomcat9": drwxr-s--- 3 tomcat adm
> 4096 Jun 22 10:51 tomcat9
>
> I'm not really an expert with Linux. It would seem to me that the
> "adm" group (to which syslog seems to belong) lacks a write
> permission, but in my old instance (Tomcat 8.5.39 + Ubuntu 18.04)
> the "catalina.out" file works perfectly (gets created and
> populated) and this is what I see there, it doesn't seem to me that
> the adm group has a write permission there either: drwxr-x--- 3
> tomcat8 adm 4096 Jun 22 10:00 tomcat8
>
> Perhaps you need to chmod g+w /var/log/tomcat ? - -chris
>
> OK, I did it and the write permission was added to the adm group. I
> restarted Tomcat.... and it worked, the catalina.out file got
> created! However, after I restarted the whole Ubuntu, I discovered
> that the permissions went back to how there were (not write for
> adm). Why is that? In fact, now I remember that I tried this
> before, but since I restarted the whole Ubuntu instead of just
> Tomcat, I never saw any progress. I didn't notice that it would
> have worked if I just restarted Tomcat.
>
> In any case, why is this permission required in my new VPS, if the
> old one lacks it and catalina.out works perfectly?
It looks like whoever is responsible for packing Tomcat for Ubuntu has
something missing, there. I suggest you file a bug with Ubuntu.
- -chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 24/06/2020 à 03:33, Brian a écrit :
> To be honest with you, I'm happy about the catalina.out file finally getting created and I really appreciate your kind help, I really do. But I'm not really happy about having to restart rsyslog before every time I need to restart Tomcat. It is weird, and I guess a lot of users will never imagine that they have to do that and they will not feel very pleased when they realize that the catalina.out file doesn't get created after restarting Tomcat. And probably most of them will not even notice that the Tomcat log is being added to the syslog, for that matter. This whole new relation between syslog and Tomcat is really weird and I don't think the users are being warned about it. I have used Tomcat+Ubuntu for several years and I haven't seen this complication before. If there is an advantage about this relation between syslog and Tomcat, I really can't see it.
This is weird I fully agree, and I'll try do to something better.
There is a way to write to catalina.out without using rsyslogd, it's
possible to instruct systemd to write the process output directly to the
file by overriding the StandardOutput directive of the service file:
StandardOutput=file:/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out
This would go in a /etc/systemd/system/tomcat9.service.d/override.conf
file for example.
The downside is that you can no longer access the Tomcat output with
'journalctl -t tomcat9', nor see the last lines of the log when
displaying the status with 'systemctl status tomcat9'.
Ideally systemd should support writing to the journal and to a file
simultaneously, with something like StandardOutput=journal+file:... If
there is no other way to achieve the same result I'll file an
enhancement request on systemd.
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Brian,
On 6/23/20 21:33, Brian wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel Bourg
> <eb...@apache.org> Reply-To: Tomcat Users List
> <us...@tomcat.apache.org> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 20:01 To:
> "users@tomcat.apache.org" <us...@tomcat.apache.org> Subject: Re:
> File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
> 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog
> instead?
>
> Le 24/06/2020 à 02:35, Brian a écrit :
>
>> Good news: I updated "/etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf" (the file I
>> created) with the new value of 2770. Deleted all the logs inside
>> "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got
>> created and populated. Bad news: Then I deleted all the logs
>> inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and just restarted Tomcat (which is
>> something I do sometimes, in production). "catalina.out" didn't
>> get created this time.
>>
>> Just to confirm, again I deleted all the logs inside
>> "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got
>> created and populated again.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> The catalina.out file is held by rsyslogd and isn't recreated
> unless you restart rsyslogd. Try this when you clean the logs and
> restart Tomcat:
>
> systemctl restart rsyslog tomcat9
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just realized that when the "bad news" experiment took place, in
> the syslog there was NOT another of those " file
> '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied.."
> errors, so I guess it was not a permissions issue anymore, which
> makes me think that the "2770" value finally solved that issue.
> That is nice, thanks! OK, I restarted rsyslog and the started again
> Tomcat as you adviced and... you are right, the catalina.out file
> got created again. So I think you are right about rsyslogd still
> holding the log file.
>
> To be honest with you, I'm happy about the catalina.out file
> finally getting created and I really appreciate your kind help, I
> really do. But I'm not really happy about having to restart rsyslog
> before every time I need to restart Tomcat.
You don't have to restart rsyslog every time you restart Tomcat. You
just have to restart if if you delete its log file out from underneath i
t.
> It is weird, and I guess a lot of users will never imagine that
> they have to do that and they will not feel very pleased when they
> realize that the catalina.out file doesn't get created after
> restarting Tomcat. And probably most of them will not even notice
> that the Tomcat log is being added to the syslog, for that matter.
> This whole new relation between syslog and Tomcat is really weird
> and I don't think the users are being warned about it. I have used
> Tomcat+Ubuntu for several years and I haven't seen this
> complication before. If there is an advantage about this relation
> between syslog and Tomcat, I really can't see it.
This is how logging is done with systemd for better or worse.
- -chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Brian <br...@emailbb.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
Reply-To: Tomcat Users List <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 20:01
To: "users@tomcat.apache.org" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Le 24/06/2020 à 02:35, Brian a écrit :
> Good news: I updated "/etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf" (the file I created) with the new value of 2770. Deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got created and populated.
> Bad news: Then I deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and just restarted Tomcat (which is something I do sometimes, in production). "catalina.out" didn't get created this time.
>
> Just to confirm, again I deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got created and populated again.
>
> Any ideas?
The catalina.out file is held by rsyslogd and isn't recreated unless you
restart rsyslogd. Try this when you clean the logs and restart Tomcat:
systemctl restart rsyslog tomcat9
Hi,
I just realized that when the "bad news" experiment took place, in the syslog there was NOT another of those " file '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied.." errors, so I guess it was not a permissions issue anymore, which makes me think that the "2770" value finally solved that issue. That is nice, thanks!
OK, I restarted rsyslog and the started again Tomcat as you adviced and... you are right, the catalina.out file got created again. So I think you are right about rsyslogd still holding the log file.
To be honest with you, I'm happy about the catalina.out file finally getting created and I really appreciate your kind help, I really do. But I'm not really happy about having to restart rsyslog before every time I need to restart Tomcat. It is weird, and I guess a lot of users will never imagine that they have to do that and they will not feel very pleased when they realize that the catalina.out file doesn't get created after restarting Tomcat. And probably most of them will not even notice that the Tomcat log is being added to the syslog, for that matter. This whole new relation between syslog and Tomcat is really weird and I don't think the users are being warned about it. I have used Tomcat+Ubuntu for several years and I haven't seen this complication before. If there is an advantage about this relation between syslog and Tomcat, I really can't see it.
Thanks again!
Brian
Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 24/06/2020 à 02:35, Brian a écrit :
> Good news: I updated "/etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf" (the file I created) with the new value of 2770. Deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got created and populated.
> Bad news: Then I deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and just restarted Tomcat (which is something I do sometimes, in production). "catalina.out" didn't get created this time.
>
> Just to confirm, again I deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got created and populated again.
>
> Any ideas?
The catalina.out file is held by rsyslogd and isn't recreated unless you
restart rsyslogd. Try this when you clean the logs and restart Tomcat:
systemctl restart rsyslog tomcat9
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Brian <br...@emailbb.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
Reply-To: Tomcat Users List <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 19:02
To: "users@tomcat.apache.org" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Le 23/06/2020 à 19:48, Brian a écrit :
> It seems that rsyslogd is still unable to deal with "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out".
> What could be wrong now? Do you have any ideas?
I got the permissions wrong, the adm group is now allowed to write to
/var/log/tomcat9 but not to enter it. Try 2770 instead of 2760.
Emmanuel Bourg
Hi Emmanuel,
Good news: I updated "/etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf" (the file I created) with the new value of 2770. Deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got created and populated.
Bad news: Then I deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and just restarted Tomcat (which is something I do sometimes, in production). "catalina.out" didn't get created this time.
Just to confirm, again I deleted all the logs inside "/val/log/tomcat9" and restarted Ubuntu. "catalina.out" got created and populated again.
Any ideas?
Brian
Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 23/06/2020 à 19:48, Brian a écrit :
> It seems that rsyslogd is still unable to deal with "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out".
> What could be wrong now? Do you have any ideas?
I got the permissions wrong, the adm group is now allowed to write to
/var/log/tomcat9 but not to enter it. Try 2770 instead of 2760.
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
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Posted by calder <ca...@gmail.com>.
I did this on my 18.04 [temporary test] system and it now works
(catalina.out is written to)
(the "ls" commands were for visual inspection on progress)
calder@ren: ~$ sudo service tomcat9 stop
calder@ren: ~$ sudo -u tomcat -g adm touch /var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out
calder@ren: ~$ ls -l /var/log/tomcat9/
[...]
calder@ren: ~$ sudo chown tomcat9:syslog /var/log/tomcat9 -R
calder@ren: ~$ sudo chown tomcat:syslog /var/log/tomcat9 -R
calder@ren: ~$ sudo ls -l /var/log
[...]
calder@ren: ~$ sudo chmod g+rwx /var/log/tomcat9/
calder@ren: ~$ sudo chmod g+rw /var/log/tomcat9/ -R
calder@ren: ~$ sudo chmod g+s /var/log/tomcat9/ -R
calder@ren: ~$ sudo service rsyslog restart
calder@ren: ~$ sudo service tomcat9 start
calder@ren: ~$ ls -l /var/log/tomcat9/
[...]
calder@ren: ~$ sudo ls -l /var/log/tomcat9/
-rw-rwS--- 1 tomcat syslog 26276 Jun 23 21:31 catalina.2020-06-23.log
-rw-rwSr-- 1 tomcat syslog 4125 Jun 23 21:31 catalina.out
-rw-rwS--- 1 tomcat syslog 0 Jun 23 19:51 localhost.2020-06-23.log
-rw-rwS--- 1 tomcat syslog 1462 Jun 23 20:53
localhost_access_log.2020-06-23.txt
calder@ren: ~$ sudo cat /var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] Server version name: Apache
Tomcat/9.0.31 (Ubuntu)
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] Server built: Feb 24 2020 22:37:00 UTC
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] Server version number: 9.0.31.0
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] OS Name: Linux
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] OS Version: 5.4.0-37-generic
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] Architecture: amd64
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] Java Home:
/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64
[2020-06-23 21:30:57] [info] JVM Version:
11.0.7+10-post-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1
[ . . . ]
[2020-06-23 21:30:59] [info] Deployment of web application archive
[/var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ourtest.war] has finished in [1,563] ms
[2020-06-23 21:31:00] [info] Starting ProtocolHandler ["http-nio-8080"]
[2020-06-23 21:31:00] [info] Server startup in [2,549] milliseconds
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Brian <br...@emailbb.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
Date: Monday, June 22, 2020 at 18:14
To: Tomcat Users List <us...@tomcat.apache.org>, Brian <br...@emailbb.com>
Subject: Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Le 22/06/2020 à 18:43, Brian a écrit :
> I'm not really an expert with Linux. It would seem to me that the "adm" group (to which syslog seems to belong) lacks a write permission
Indeed, rsyslog in Ubuntu runs as syslog:adm and needs special
permissions to write to /var/log/tomcat9. This issue should be reported
to Ubuntu.
The tomcat9 package in Debian isn't affected by this issue because
rsyslogd runs as root.
> OK, I did it and the write permission was added to the adm group. I restarted Tomcat.... and it worked, the catalina.out file got created! However, after I restarted the whole Ubuntu, I discovered that the permissions went back to how there were (not write for adm). Why is that?
The permissions on this directory are managed by systemd-tmpfiles. The
tomcat9 package defines the expected permissions in
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf and the permissions are enforced when
the system starts.
It's possible to override the default settings, you have to copy the
configuration file to /etc/tmpfiles.d/ and change the permissions on
/var/log/tomcat9 from 2750 to 2760:
cp /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf /etc/tmpfiles.d/
sed -i s/2750/2760/ /etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf
The write permissions for the adm group will then be persistent.
Hi Emmanuel,
Thanks a lot for your help, but unfortunately I think that something is still not working.
I copied the file running the cp command, and then edited the created file to replace "2750" with "2760", then restarted Ubuntu.... But I still have the same problem, catalina.out never gets created.
Then I tried editing the original file (/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf) replacing "2750" with "2760", then restarted Ubuntu.... But I still have the same problem.
I verified that the permissions stay correct, I mean giving write permission to the adm group after I restart Ubuntu, and that DOES work! When I perform a "ls -l /var/log/", this is what I see for the "tomcat9" directory:
drwxrwS--- 3 tomcat adm 4096 Jun 23 11:31 tomcat9
Finally, I checked the syslog and this is what I found:
Jun 23 12:27:43 ip-172-31-92-155 systemd[1]: Starting Apache Tomcat 9 Web Application Server...
Jun 23 12:27:43 ip-172-31-92-155 systemd[1]: Started Apache Tomcat 9 Web Application Server.
Jun 23 12:27:43 ip-172-31-92-155 tomcat9[594]: NOTE: Picked up JDK_JAVA_OPTIONS: --add-opens=java.base/java.lang=ALL-UNNAMED --add-opens=java.base/java.io=ALL-UNNAMED --add-opens=java.rmi/sun.rmi.transport=ALL-UNNAMED
Jun 23 12:27:43 ip-172-31-92-155 rsyslogd: file '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied [v8.2001.0 try https://www.rsyslog.com/e/2433 ]
Jun 23 12:27:44 ip-172-31-92-155 tomcat9[594]: Jun 23, 2020 12:27:44 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener log
Jun 23 12:27:44 ip-172-31-92-155 tomcat9[594]: INFO: Server version name: Apache Tomcat/9.0.31 (Ubuntu)
.....
It seems that rsyslogd is still unable to deal with "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out".
What could be wrong now? Do you have any ideas?
Brian
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
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Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Coty,
On 7/7/20 15:23, Coty Sutherland wrote:
> <snip>
>
> With this kind of service (and, similarly, Coty Sutherland's work
> @
>> RedHat), I might re-think my policy of always using the vanilla
>> packages from Apache.
>>
>> It's *really* nice when the package-manager can do it all.
>>
>
> It really is ;)
So why it RHEL dumping the Tomcat packages? Is it really because they
just want to cut-down on the size of the package repository?
They are going to have a lot of angry corporate clients (which is, of
course, the entire user base of RHEL).
- -chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Coty Sutherland <cs...@apache.org>.
<snip>
With this kind of service (and, similarly, Coty Sutherland's work @
> RedHat), I might re-think my policy of always using the vanilla
> packages from Apache.
>
> It's *really* nice when the package-manager can do it all.
>
It really is ;)
Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Emmanuel,
On 6/22/20 19:14, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 22/06/2020 à 18:43, Brian a écrit :
>
>> I'm not really an expert with Linux. It would seem to me that the
>> "adm" group (to which syslog seems to belong) lacks a write
>> permission
>
> Indeed, rsyslog in Ubuntu runs as syslog:adm and needs special
> permissions to write to /var/log/tomcat9. This issue should be
> reported to Ubuntu.
>
> The tomcat9 package in Debian isn't affected by this issue because
> rsyslogd runs as root.
>
>
>> OK, I did it and the write permission was added to the adm group.
>> I restarted Tomcat.... and it worked, the catalina.out file got
>> created! However, after I restarted the whole Ubuntu, I
>> discovered that the permissions went back to how there were (not
>> write for adm). Why is that?
>
> The permissions on this directory are managed by systemd-tmpfiles.
> The tomcat9 package defines the expected permissions in
> /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf and the permissions are enforced
> when the system starts.
>
> It's possible to override the default settings, you have to copy
> the configuration file to /etc/tmpfiles.d/ and change the
> permissions on /var/log/tomcat9 from 2750 to 2760:
>
> cp /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf /etc/tmpfiles.d/ sed -i
> s/2750/2760/ /etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf
>
> The write permissions for the adm group will then be persistent.
>
>
>> In any case, why is this permission required in my new VPS, if
>> the old one lacks it and catalina.out works perfectly?
>
> I guess your older VPS had the tomcat8 package installed. The
> tomcat9 package is different as it leverages several systemd
> features to improve the security and the reliability.
With this kind of service (and, similarly, Coty Sutherland's work @
RedHat), I might re-think my policy of always using the vanilla
packages from Apache.
It's *really* nice when the package-manager can do it all.
- -chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/06/2020 à 18:43, Brian a écrit :
> I'm not really an expert with Linux. It would seem to me that the "adm" group (to which syslog seems to belong) lacks a write permission
Indeed, rsyslog in Ubuntu runs as syslog:adm and needs special
permissions to write to /var/log/tomcat9. This issue should be reported
to Ubuntu.
The tomcat9 package in Debian isn't affected by this issue because
rsyslogd runs as root.
> OK, I did it and the write permission was added to the adm group. I restarted Tomcat.... and it worked, the catalina.out file got created! However, after I restarted the whole Ubuntu, I discovered that the permissions went back to how there were (not write for adm). Why is that?
The permissions on this directory are managed by systemd-tmpfiles. The
tomcat9 package defines the expected permissions in
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf and the permissions are enforced when
the system starts.
It's possible to override the default settings, you have to copy the
configuration file to /etc/tmpfiles.d/ and change the permissions on
/var/log/tomcat9 from 2750 to 2760:
cp /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf /etc/tmpfiles.d/
sed -i s/2750/2760/ /etc/tmpfiles.d/tomcat9.conf
The write permissions for the adm group will then be persistent.
> In any case, why is this permission required in my new VPS, if the old one lacks it and catalina.out works perfectly?
I guess your older VPS had the tomcat8 package installed. The tomcat9
package is different as it leverages several systemd features to improve
the security and the reliability.
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
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Posted by Brian <br...@emailbb.com>.
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Brian,
On 6/22/20 02:04, Brian wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been using Tomcat for about 18 years. As far as I can
> remember, everything that I leave on the log with
> System.out.println() has been found inside the file "catalina.out"
> which has been nice. However, this seems to have changed. I just
> migrated to Ubuntu 20.04 + Tomcat 9.0.31, and installed Tomcat
> doing a "sudo apt install tomcat9". Now I see that the file
> "catalina.out" never gets created, and that everything that had
> been sent there is now being sent to the Ubuntu/Linux/Debian log
> "syslog". I don't like that, I want to keep having a
> separate/dedicated log for Tomcat (which is something I check very
> often) and not havoing to search for it inside syslog (which is
> something I rarely inspect).
>
> I have done some research, and this is what I have discovered (if I
> understood everything correctly):
>
> - Tomcat now runs as a service inside something called "systemsd" -
> For some reason, the people at Ubuntu/Debian/Linux decided that
> Tomcat's log should be found inside syslog, instead of staying
> independent inside "catalina.out". Why is that? I don't know and I
> don't like it! - The other files inside /var/log/tomcat get
> created, including the "catalina.YYYY-MM-DD.log" files. But I dont'
> find my "System.out.println()" messages there, which has always
> been the case. - I have found, however, that syslog tries to create
> and populate the "catalina.out" file as well, since I have found an
> error inside syslog that says something like "rsyslogd: file
> '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied". -
> I have also found a file "/etc/rsyslog.d/tomcat9.conf" which,
> indeed, seams to indicate syslog that the file
> "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out" must be populated. Which makes
> sense and should solve my needs. - Considering the "Permission
> denied" error message, I started playing with the permissions
> (something that I really don't have much experience with). If I
> remember correctly, I created the file "catalina.out" manually, and
> the modified its properties so the owners are "tomcat/adm", since
> the "syslog" process/user seems to be inside the "adm" group.
> Restarted everything... and the "catalina.out" file got created and
> populated!!! So it seems that the main obstacle here is a lack of
> correct permissions so syslog can do what has been told and
> populate the "catalina.out" file. Did I get it right? - However,
> when I delete all the log files (which I do every once in a while),
> the permissions that I assigned get lost and the file doesn't get
> created anymore.
>
> What are we supposed to do to deal with this problem? Can/should we
> do something so the Tomcat log doesn't go to syslog? If not, and
> considering that it seems that syslog is trying to populate the
> "catalina.out" file as it has been told, what should we do to
> correct the permissions problem?
What are the permissions of the /var/log/tomcat directory?
Hello Chris,
I did a "ls -l /var/log/". According to that, this is what I see for "/var/log/tomcat9":
drwxr-s--- 3 tomcat adm 4096 Jun 22 10:51 tomcat9
I'm not really an expert with Linux. It would seem to me that the "adm" group (to which syslog seems to belong) lacks a write permission, but in my old instance (Tomcat 8.5.39 + Ubuntu 18.04) the "catalina.out" file works perfectly (gets created and populated) and this is what I see there, it doesn't seem to me that the adm group has a write permission there either:
drwxr-x--- 3 tomcat8 adm 4096 Jun 22 10:00 tomcat8
Perhaps you need to chmod g+w /var/log/tomcat ?
- -chris
OK, I did it and the write permission was added to the adm group. I restarted Tomcat.... and it worked, the catalina.out file got created! However, after I restarted the whole Ubuntu, I discovered that the permissions went back to how there were (not write for adm). Why is that?
In fact, now I remember that I tried this before, but since I restarted the whole Ubuntu instead of just Tomcat, I never saw any progress. I didn't notice that it would have worked if I just restarted Tomcat.
In any case, why is this permission required in my new VPS, if the old one lacks it and catalina.out works perfectly?
Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Brian,
On 6/22/20 02:04, Brian wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been using Tomcat for about 18 years. As far as I can
> remember, everything that I leave on the log with
> System.out.println() has been found inside the file "catalina.out"
> which has been nice. However, this seems to have changed. I just
> migrated to Ubuntu 20.04 + Tomcat 9.0.31, and installed Tomcat
> doing a "sudo apt install tomcat9". Now I see that the file
> "catalina.out" never gets created, and that everything that had
> been sent there is now being sent to the Ubuntu/Linux/Debian log
> "syslog". I don't like that, I want to keep having a
> separate/dedicated log for Tomcat (which is something I check very
> often) and not havoing to search for it inside syslog (which is
> something I rarely inspect).
>
> I have done some research, and this is what I have discovered (if I
> understood everything correctly):
>
> - Tomcat now runs as a service inside something called "systemsd" -
> For some reason, the people at Ubuntu/Debian/Linux decided that
> Tomcat's log should be found inside syslog, instead of staying
> independent inside "catalina.out". Why is that? I don't know and I
> don't like it! - The other files inside /var/log/tomcat get
> created, including the "catalina.YYYY-MM-DD.log" files. But I dont'
> find my "System.out.println()" messages there, which has always
> been the case. - I have found, however, that syslog tries to create
> and populate the "catalina.out" file as well, since I have found an
> error inside syslog that says something like "rsyslogd: file
> '/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out': open error: Permission denied". -
> I have also found a file "/etc/rsyslog.d/tomcat9.conf" which,
> indeed, seams to indicate syslog that the file
> "/var/log/tomcat9/catalina.out" must be populated. Which makes
> sense and should solve my needs. - Considering the "Permission
> denied" error message, I started playing with the permissions
> (something that I really don't have much experience with). If I
> remember correctly, I created the file "catalina.out" manually, and
> the modified its properties so the owners are "tomcat/adm", since
> the "syslog" process/user seems to be inside the "adm" group.
> Restarted everything... and the "catalina.out" file got created and
> populated!!! So it seems that the main obstacle here is a lack of
> correct permissions so syslog can do what has been told and
> populate the "catalina.out" file. Did I get it right? - However,
> when I delete all the log files (which I do every once in a while),
> the permissions that I assigned get lost and the file doesn't get
> created anymore.
>
> What are we supposed to do to deal with this problem? Can/should we
> do something so the Tomcat log doesn't go to syslog? If not, and
> considering that it seems that syslog is trying to populate the
> "catalina.out" file as it has been told, what should we do to
> correct the permissions problem?
What are the permissions of the /var/log/tomcat directory?
Perhaps you need to chmod g+w /var/log/tomcat ?
- -chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat 9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Chris Cheshire <ya...@gmail.com>.
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:44 AM, calder <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 01:04 Brian <br...@emailbb.com> wrote
>
> [ snip ]
>
> - For some reason, the people at Ubuntu/Debian/Linux decided that Tomcat's
>> log should be found inside syslog, instead of staying independent inside
>> "catalina.out". Why is that? I don't know and I don't like it!
>
> [ snip ]
> .
> Sorry - don't have a specific answer for your Ubuntu implementation.
> .
> However, this is one reason we do not use "distro-specific" Tomcat
> installations (to include implementations of WebSphere and WebLogic).
> .
> For example, we grab the plain vanilla Tomcat ZIP and extract it to "/opt/"
> (as in "/opt/tomcat/") - we now have complete control over its
> configuration and runtime instantiation.
+1
Also it is far better to use a logging framework than writing directly to System.out as you have more control over when and where the logs are written. You can use java.util.logging (juli) directly or even a facade like SLF4j and then use whatever implementation you like behind it. The advantage of the facade is that the implementation (logback, log4j, juli) can be changed with configuration and a new jar instead of code changes everywhere you write to the logs.
With either method you can write logs at different levels (trace, debug, info, warn error - juli does use different names though, same idea) and turn them on/off in configuration and even dynamically.
Chris
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/06/2020 à 10:44, calder a écrit :
> However, this is one reason we do not use "distro-specific" Tomcat
> installations (to include implementations of WebSphere and WebLogic).
> .
> For example, we grab the plain vanilla Tomcat ZIP and extract it to "/opt/"
> (as in "/opt/tomcat/") - we now have complete control over its
> configuration and runtime instantiation.
This is a valid strategy, but you miss the tight integration with the
system that comes out of the box with a distro specific package (proper
system service, started on boot, restarted on crashes, run by a non
privileged user allowed to bind to ports below 1024, sandboxed, with
logs in a consistent location). And you are still able to override some
aspects of the default configuration you might not like.
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: File "catalina.out" not being created/populated when using Tomcat
9.0.31 + Ubuntu 20.04, and content goes to the Ubuntu syslog instead?
Posted by calder <ca...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 01:04 Brian <br...@emailbb.com> wrote
[ snip ]
- For some reason, the people at Ubuntu/Debian/Linux decided that Tomcat's
> log should be found inside syslog, instead of staying independent inside
> "catalina.out". Why is that? I don't know and I don't like it!
[ snip ]
.
Sorry - don't have a specific answer for your Ubuntu implementation.
.
However, this is one reason we do not use "distro-specific" Tomcat
installations (to include implementations of WebSphere and WebLogic).
.
For example, we grab the plain vanilla Tomcat ZIP and extract it to "/opt/"
(as in "/opt/tomcat/") - we now have complete control over its
configuration and runtime instantiation.