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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No doubt many here have already noted this: <https://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/open-xchange-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite-214882>
>
> It's interesting. One could hope for possibilities of collaboration, license permitting.
>
Our code is free for anyone to use, under a permissive license. But
it is not clear to me that our code would be particularly useful to
them.
The more interesting thing for their users might be an OpenOffice
extension that gives easy access their hosted documents.
-Rob
> -louis
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Next fix here :)
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121975
Malte.
On 28.03.2013 14:49, Malte Timmermann wrote:
> Hi Andrea,
>
> On 27.03.2013 18:27, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Malte Timmermann wrote:
>>> for converting different kinds of documents, we make use of OOo in
>>> the backend. We found and fixed some issues, and are contributing back
>>> the patches...
>>
>> Good news! Whatever way you decide to use to contribute patches (you
>> already have committer access to the OpenOffice repository, after all)
>> please sent a short note here when you do, or tag issues appropriately
>> in Bugzilla, so that we can properly acknowledge work by the
>> Open-Xchange project in the OpenOffice release notes and/or similar
>> documents.
>
> In our team, Sven Jacobi is taking care for contributing our patches to
> AOO and LO.
>
> One patch is attached to
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121803
>
> Two more to come soon.
>
> He also had provided some security fixes (some time ago) - they had been
> handled by security team, not via public patches, of course.
>
> Best regards
> Malte.
>
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 28/03/2013 Malte Timmermann wrote:
> On 27.03.2013 18:27, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Whatever way you decide to use to contribute patches (you
>> already have committer access to the OpenOffice repository, after all)
>> please sent a short note here when you do, or tag issues appropriately
>> in Bugzilla, so that we can properly acknowledge work by the
>> Open-Xchange project in the OpenOffice release notes and/or similar
>> documents.
>
> In our team, Sven Jacobi is taking care for contributing our patches
Thank you! Feel free to tag them by adding [OX] to the title, or
something that makes them recognizable. Or course, if Sven is the only
person who submits patches from Open-Xchange, it could be enough to look
up his name in the "Reporter" field, with no need for further changes.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Hi Andrea,
On 27.03.2013 18:27, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Malte Timmermann wrote:
>> for converting different kinds of documents, we make use of OOo in
>> the backend. We found and fixed some issues, and are contributing back
>> the patches...
>
> Good news! Whatever way you decide to use to contribute patches (you
> already have committer access to the OpenOffice repository, after all)
> please sent a short note here when you do, or tag issues appropriately
> in Bugzilla, so that we can properly acknowledge work by the
> Open-Xchange project in the OpenOffice release notes and/or similar
> documents.
In our team, Sven Jacobi is taking care for contributing our patches to
AOO and LO.
One patch is attached to
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121803
Two more to come soon.
He also had provided some security fixes (some time ago) - they had been
handled by security team, not via public patches, of course.
Best regards
Malte.
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Malte Timmermann wrote:
> for converting different kinds of documents, we make use of OOo in
> the backend. We found and fixed some issues, and are contributing back
> the patches...
Good news! Whatever way you decide to use to contribute patches (you
already have committer access to the OpenOffice repository, after all)
please sent a short note here when you do, or tag issues appropriately
in Bugzilla, so that we can properly acknowledge work by the
Open-Xchange project in the OpenOffice release notes and/or similar
documents.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Mobility WAS: Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 13-03-27, at 12:36 , Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
snip
> If you want to give me more details about the OOXML/ODF viewing stuff, please come back on me via private email (but not the one I am using here) or linkedin :)
Sure.
Publicly available works for mobile devices include those you can download from the iOS app store, such as UX Write*, Symphony, FileLApp Pro—these are all native—and provide for viewing. Others exist, too; viewing ODF text (and some more than that) is not hard. Editing and then expressing as ODF is harder—and it remains to be seen how desirable, in full.
Personally, I argue for Good Enough. Few will do complex documents on a tablet, at least at this point, and so why have capabilities for that? Better to have a good enough approach that allows for noncomplex (but equally nontrivial) usage.
HTML does a splendid job of this—that's the approach that UX Write is taking.
Apps that utilize HTML5, such as rollApp seem to have a brilliant future but that's a future whose sun has not risen yet. We all know the cybersphere is coming (just before the Singularity which is followed by Skynet and then the Armageddon bodied by Arnold the Terminator), but ubiquitous fast connectivity is not here yet. And even in places where it does exist, such as So. Korea, how used *is* HTML5 for apps, as in the Web services model? Data, anyone? (not sure if games count.)
Others working on this—mobile editing of ODF—include, I have no doubt, those at Ko.GmbH, and probably also many others.
Outside of ODF, there are quite a few viewers but very few editors and even fewer that would seem to work well for actual people. Iv'e tried most, if not all. They work fine; sans keyboard, and on a plane, very nicely. With a keyboard, they are effectively netbooks. But here's the issue, again: You don't need OOo on them or in them, you just need an editor that can express ODF, in some useable version, so that devices fully equipped with ODF editors can read/write the document.
I'll write more directly, but there is a huge market for tablets equipped with ODF editors. Think education in rich and poor countries (there's seemingly less of a difference, now), and think of the trash that would not be produced using thin clients—whoops, I mean, tablets.
>
>>
>> Oh, then there is accessibility. You remember that, yes? :-)
>
> I remember - I had so much fun with that ;)
>
> But honestly: Accessibility is such an important and interesting (and difficult) topic that I already volunteered to take care for that inside OX too…
I speculate if it would not be rather cool to have a kind of manifesto that ODF supporting apps and projects could agree to proclaiming the importance of accessibility in design and function. It's implicit in what we do and also explicit; but it's also not as public or broadcast as it could be, and the design principles seem sometimes opaque to too many.
>
> Malte.
>
best
louis
>
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Hi Louis,
On 27.03.2013 16:03, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi Malte!
> It's a pleasure to see you here…
I am here since the beginning of AOO - but working on other stuff, it's
quite hard to follow the lists... ;)
> On 13-03-27, at 09:51 , Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24.03.2013 18:29, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> No doubt many here have already noted this: <https://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/open-xchange-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite-214882>
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting. One could hope for possibilities of collaboration, license permitting.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Our code is free for anyone to use, under a permissive license. But
>>> it is not clear to me that our code would be particularly useful to
>>> them.
>>
>> For OX Text, we actually can't use any code of OOo…
>
> Yeah, we came to that conclusion. Alas.
>
>>
>> But for converting different kinds of documents, we make use of OOo in the backend. We found and fixed some issues, and are contributing back the patches…
>
> Thanks! I was also thinking, though Rob wasn't, and maybe Dennis wasn't either, that there are other areas where collaboration, at least of the passive sort, can help the overall ODF and "open source" community. For instance, localizations. One could envision establishing a set of strings that can be used in common by relevant applications. As well, as you probably recall, we have the Oasis OIC (interoperability/compatibility) TC. Would be great to include OX Text there, at least for starters, so that users can feel less concerned about vendor lockin.
Interop is a good point: When creating odt files, we already figured out
that ODF gives you more "choices" then it should. Result: One document
with lists and different kind off attributes looks different in AOO,
different in LO, and different in MSO. I can understand/expect the
difference between MSO and AOO/LO - but now even between AOO and LO?!
>
> And then there are the mobile-users among us. I'm working with one very promising group that does not use OOo technology but would be able to view/edit OOXML and ODF text; at least that's the idea. Given the array of mobile options out there, and the fact that there is no good solution to mobiles for enterprises, yet, and "enterprise" can include education and other public sector efforts, I think there would be plenty of opportunity to "collaborate," if not on code then on establishing a strong set of options that would break through the we-have-no-choice mentality we all love to hate.
If you want to give me more details about the OOXML/ODF viewing stuff,
please come back on me via private email (but not the one I am using
here) or linkedin :)
>
> Oh, then there is accessibility. You remember that, yes? :-)
I remember - I had so much fun with that ;)
But honestly: Accessibility is such an important and interesting (and
difficult) topic that I already volunteered to take care for that inside
OX too...
Malte.
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Malte!
It's a pleasure to see you here…
On 13-03-27, at 09:51 , Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 24.03.2013 18:29, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> No doubt many here have already noted this: <https://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/open-xchange-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite-214882>
>>>
>>> It's interesting. One could hope for possibilities of collaboration, license permitting.
>>>
>>
>> Our code is free for anyone to use, under a permissive license. But
>> it is not clear to me that our code would be particularly useful to
>> them.
>
> For OX Text, we actually can't use any code of OOo…
Yeah, we came to that conclusion. Alas.
>
> But for converting different kinds of documents, we make use of OOo in the backend. We found and fixed some issues, and are contributing back the patches…
Thanks! I was also thinking, though Rob wasn't, and maybe Dennis wasn't either, that there are other areas where collaboration, at least of the passive sort, can help the overall ODF and "open source" community. For instance, localizations. One could envision establishing a set of strings that can be used in common by relevant applications. As well, as you probably recall, we have the Oasis OIC (interoperability/compatibility) TC. Would be great to include OX Text there, at least for starters, so that users can feel less concerned about vendor lockin.
And then there are the mobile-users among us. I'm working with one very promising group that does not use OOo technology but would be able to view/edit OOXML and ODF text; at least that's the idea. Given the array of mobile options out there, and the fact that there is no good solution to mobiles for enterprises, yet, and "enterprise" can include education and other public sector efforts, I think there would be plenty of opportunity to "collaborate," if not on code then on establishing a strong set of options that would break through the we-have-no-choice mentality we all love to hate.
Oh, then there is accessibility. You remember that, yes? :-)
>
> Malte.
Cheers
louis
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Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
On 24.03.2013 18:29, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No doubt many here have already noted this: <https://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/open-xchange-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite-214882>
>>
>> It's interesting. One could hope for possibilities of collaboration, license permitting.
>>
>
> Our code is free for anyone to use, under a permissive license. But
> it is not clear to me that our code would be particularly useful to
> them.
For OX Text, we actually can't use any code of OOo...
But for converting different kinds of documents, we make use of OOo in
the backend. We found and fixed some issues, and are contributing back
the patches...
Malte.
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