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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by Mike Duffy <md...@yahoo.com> on 2006/03/02 17:09:56 UTC
How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Oracle came to the Austin JUG on Tuesday night and gave a very cool presentation on JDeveloper for
JSF development.
Does anyone have any thoughts on how JDeveloper compares with Sun's Java Studio Creator?
Does anyone have any links for objective third party comparisons?
Are there any other choices that should be seriously considered.
Thx.
Mike
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Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 3/2/06, Mike Duffy <md...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Darn.....
>
> Does JSC have a component library that compares favorably with ADF Faces?
Color me biased :-), but ...
Creator 2 does indeed come with a component library above and beyond the
standard ones. It's smaller than the ADF one (about 40 components), but
they cover a lot of the same functional territory, and match up reasonably
well to their ADF counterparts.
Mike
Craig
--- Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
>
> > Mike Duffy schrieb:
> > > Thx Werner.
> > >
> > > Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > Not viusally yet, the problem is, that the JSC needs some additional
> > classes and config files which handle the visual part (actually most if
> > not all IDEs do)
> > nobody has done that yet, you however can use it on source level by
> > simply adding the appropriate jars and tag entries, you will however get
> > no visual representation.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
FWIW, JDeveloper does support MyFaces as a custom taglib,
with visual editing, no need for any bonus config files. There's
extra metadata you can add to improve the editing experience,
which is the basis of JSR 276 (this metadata should be
standardized), but you don't need any of it.
I don't know why JSC doesn't work with Tomahawk.
I know that at least some of its troubles with ADF Faces
were some rather annoying restrictions on component
development - it largely insists that they must follow the
bean standard to the absolute letter. (This may be
obsolete, since I haven't tried JSC 2).
But I personally use Emacs. :)
-- Adam
On 3/2/06, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
> Mike Duffy schrieb:
> > Thx Werner.
> >
> > Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> Not viusally yet, the problem is, that the JSC needs some additional
> classes and config files which handle the visual part (actually most if
> not all IDEs do)
> nobody has done that yet, you however can use it on source level by
> simply adding the appropriate jars and tag entries, you will however get
> no visual representation.
>
>
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Udo Schnurpfeil <ud...@schnurpfeil.de>.
The EAP build 5175 of IntelliJ has JSF support.
It's not ready-made, but it looks promising :-)
Udo
Martin Marinschek schrieb:
> Ok
>
> I'd have moved from IntelliJ if that was better (IntelliJ not offering
> JSF support at all). Have to stay some more ;)
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
>
>>Eclipse + myEclipseIDE is performing OK. For one thing eclipse is not
>>opening every file you have - only the ones you left opened in your last
>>session. For that matter starting up time is rather independent of the size
>>of the project.
>>
>>In my 3yr old notebook eclipse + myeclipse + BIRT starts up in around 20
>>seconds.
>>
>>Full recompilation takes forever. JSP/JSF validation is the culprit. I have
>>50+ xhtmls - and it takes the order of 10min to compile.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Yee
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Martin Marinschek [mailto:martin.marinschek@gmail.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 6:35 PM
>>To: MyFaces Discussion
>>Subject: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
>>
>>Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
>>
>>I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
>>large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
>>until after 10min.
>>
>>Is work being done on making this situation better?
>>
>>Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
>>>>MyEclipse - and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
>>>exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
>>>(and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
>>>to anyone in earshot. :)
>>>
>>>-- Adam
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>http://www.irian.at
>>
>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>Courses in English and German
>>
>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Ok
I'd have moved from IntelliJ if that was better (IntelliJ not offering
JSF support at all). Have to stay some more ;)
regards,
Martin
On 3/4/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> Eclipse + myEclipseIDE is performing OK. For one thing eclipse is not
> opening every file you have - only the ones you left opened in your last
> session. For that matter starting up time is rather independent of the size
> of the project.
>
> In my 3yr old notebook eclipse + myeclipse + BIRT starts up in around 20
> seconds.
>
> Full recompilation takes forever. JSP/JSF validation is the culprit. I have
> 50+ xhtmls - and it takes the order of 10min to compile.
>
> Regards,
> Yee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Marinschek [mailto:martin.marinschek@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 6:35 PM
> To: MyFaces Discussion
> Subject: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
>
> Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
>
> I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
> large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
> until after 10min.
>
> Is work being done on making this situation better?
>
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > > MyEclipse - and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
> >
> > Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> > exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> > (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> > to anyone in earshot. :)
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Yee CN schrieb:
> Eclipse + myEclipseIDE is performing OK. For one thing eclipse is not
> opening every file you have - only the ones you left opened in your last
> session. For that matter starting up time is rather independent of the size
> of the project.
>
> In my 3yr old notebook eclipse + myeclipse + BIRT starts up in around 20
> seconds.
>
> Full recompilation takes forever. JSP/JSF validation is the culprit. I have
> 50+ xhtmls - and it takes the order of 10min to compile.
>
> Regards,
> Yee
>
Well you can turn off some of the validation, to speed things up, but
generally JSP validation is somewhat rough on MyEclipse it is not the
fastest regarding jsp validation.
I have a project with several hundred til one thousand jsp files. A full
recompile takes a few minutes, but luckily this does not happen too
often (only at a clean or full refresh)
As for stability MyEclipse is pretty much one of the most stable of all
available ones. I am using it all the time on several different techs,
the JSF editors are lacking currently however.
As for the speed and the JSF editors I have hopes that 5.0 will bring a
lot of things onto the table. First it will be WTP 1.0.1 based so mixing
it with other plugins will be possible finally, also one of their
constant improvement requests (they drive development upon requests in
their surveys) is the improvement of the jsf editing capabilites, so
they work on it.
RE: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com>.
Eclipse + myEclipseIDE is performing OK. For one thing eclipse is not
opening every file you have - only the ones you left opened in your last
session. For that matter starting up time is rather independent of the size
of the project.
In my 3yr old notebook eclipse + myeclipse + BIRT starts up in around 20
seconds.
Full recompilation takes forever. JSP/JSF validation is the culprit. I have
50+ xhtmls - and it takes the order of 10min to compile.
Regards,
Yee
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Marinschek [mailto:martin.marinschek@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 6:35 PM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
until after 10min.
Is work being done on making this situation better?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
regards,
Martin
On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > MyEclipse - and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>
> Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> to anyone in earshot. :)
>
> -- Adam
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: Anybody using IBM's I18N JSF Components?
Posted by Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com>.
I ran across that a while ago on AlphaWorks and decided not to bother
with it due to the potentially troubling licensing.
Wayne
On 3/4/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> (Sorry for being slightly off-topic again.)
>
> IBM has a component set with the name "Global Business
> Object"
>
> See http://alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/gbo
>
> It provides simple layouts for locale-specific entering of
> names, addresses, dates and times.
>
> Very useful for an international application!
>
> Anybody using it? Is it ready-to-use for production?
>
> The license info is even more awful than the name of the
> component set:
> "Your input from filling out this form will contribute
> towards determining if a commercial license can be offered
> the technology you select. The evaluation process typically
> takes at least 4-6 weeks. While we try to satisfy all
> requests, there is no guarantee that a commercial license
> can be made available. "
>
> Frank Felix
>
>
Anybody using IBM's I18N JSF Components?
Posted by Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net>.
(Sorry for being slightly off-topic again.)
IBM has a component set with the name "Global Business
Object"
See http://alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/gbo
It provides simple layouts for locale-specific entering of
names, addresses, dates and times.
Very useful for an international application!
Anybody using it? Is it ready-to-use for production?
The license info is even more awful than the name of the
component set:
"Your input from filling out this form will contribute
towards determining if a commercial license can be offered
the technology you select. The evaluation process typically
takes at least 4-6 weeks. While we try to satisfy all
requests, there is no guarantee that a commercial license
can be made available. "
Frank Felix
AW: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Matthias Kahlau <mk...@web.de>.
Hi!
The following Web pages may provide a good start when searching for JSF IDEs
or plugins:
http://www.jsfcentral.com/products/ides/
http://www.jsfcentral.com/products/plugins/
Regards,
Matthias
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: users-return-18193-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org
> [mailto:users-return-18193-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org]Im Auftrag
> von Igor Marakov
> Gesendet: Samstag, 4. Marz 2006 20:13
> An: 'MyFaces Discussion'; martin@marinschek.com
> Betreff: RE: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
>
>
> For me the following cycle works better than working with OC4J:
> build .war in Jdev,
> ftp to server with tomcat
> deploy
> repeat
>
> Igor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Marinschek [mailto:martin.marinschek@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:35 AM
> To: MyFaces Discussion
> Subject: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
>
> Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
>
> I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
> large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
> until after 10min.
>
> Is work being done on making this situation better?
>
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > > MyEclipse - and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
> >
> > Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> > exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> > (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> > to anyone in earshot. :)
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
RE: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Igor Marakov <ig...@ivmsystems.com>.
For me the following cycle works better than working with OC4J:
build .war in Jdev,
ftp to server with tomcat
deploy
repeat
Igor
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Marinschek [mailto:martin.marinschek@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:35 AM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
until after 10min.
Is work being done on making this situation better?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
regards,
Martin
On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > MyEclipse - and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>
> Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> to anyone in earshot. :)
>
> -- Adam
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
AW: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Matthias Kahlau <mk...@web.de>.
> It was something like the method behind jsp:include taking a string
> parameter and a boolean in some library, but internally in OC4J not or
> so.
I only use the include directive, and I have no problem.
Regards,
Matthias
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: users-return-18183-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org
> [mailto:users-return-18183-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org]Im Auftrag
> von Martin Marinschek
> Gesendet: Samstag, 4. März 2006 13:20
> An: Matthias Kahlau
> Cc: MyFaces Discussion
> Betreff: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
>
>
> Ok, I see.
>
> so that would have only been the first startup? Well, there had been
> another thing which prevented the app from startup at all.
>
> It was something like the method behind jsp:include taking a string
> parameter and a boolean in some library, but internally in OC4J not or
> so.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Matthias Kahlau <mk...@web.de> wrote:
> > > Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
> >
> > You may deploy to another application server from JDeveloper and run it
> > there, if you think OC4j does perform bad. I don't know, I use
> JDeveloper
> > 10.1.2 and deploy directly to the JBoss deploy directory, but with less
> > files.
> >
> > Maybe your long startup time is caused by the translation or
> compilation of
> > the files, and has nothing to do with the app server itself. But I think
> > JDeveloper (I use 10.1.2) does only pick the changed files.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: users-return-18176-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org
> > >
> [mailto:users-return-18176-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org]Im Auftrag
> > > von Martin Marinschek
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 4. März 2006 11:36
> > > An: MyFaces Discussion
> > > Betreff: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
> > >
> > >
> > > Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
> > >
> > > I didn't try JSC so far - would the performance be better there? Any
> > > experiences?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 3/4/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
> > > > large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
> > > > until after 10min.
> > > >
> > > > Is work being done on making this situation better?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or
> JSC? I am using
> > > > > > MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> > > > > exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> > > > > (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> > > > > to anyone in earshot. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Adam
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > >
> > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > Courses in English and German
> > > >
> > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Ok, I see.
so that would have only been the first startup? Well, there had been
another thing which prevented the app from startup at all.
It was something like the method behind jsp:include taking a string
parameter and a boolean in some library, but internally in OC4J not or
so.
regards,
Martin
On 3/4/06, Matthias Kahlau <mk...@web.de> wrote:
> > Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
>
> You may deploy to another application server from JDeveloper and run it
> there, if you think OC4j does perform bad. I don't know, I use JDeveloper
> 10.1.2 and deploy directly to the JBoss deploy directory, but with less
> files.
>
> Maybe your long startup time is caused by the translation or compilation of
> the files, and has nothing to do with the app server itself. But I think
> JDeveloper (I use 10.1.2) does only pick the changed files.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: users-return-18176-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org
> > [mailto:users-return-18176-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org]Im Auftrag
> > von Martin Marinschek
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 4. März 2006 11:36
> > An: MyFaces Discussion
> > Betreff: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
> >
> >
> > Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
> >
> > I didn't try JSC so far - would the performance be better there? Any
> > experiences?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 3/4/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
> > >
> > > I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
> > > large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
> > > until after 10min.
> > >
> > > Is work being done on making this situation better?
> > >
> > > Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > > > > MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> > > > exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> > > > (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> > > > to anyone in earshot. :)
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
AW: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Matthias Kahlau <mk...@web.de>.
> Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
You may deploy to another application server from JDeveloper and run it
there, if you think OC4j does perform bad. I don't know, I use JDeveloper
10.1.2 and deploy directly to the JBoss deploy directory, but with less
files.
Maybe your long startup time is caused by the translation or compilation of
the files, and has nothing to do with the app server itself. But I think
JDeveloper (I use 10.1.2) does only pick the changed files.
Regards,
Matthias
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: users-return-18176-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org
> [mailto:users-return-18176-mkahlau=web.de@myfaces.apache.org]Im Auftrag
> von Martin Marinschek
> Gesendet: Samstag, 4. März 2006 11:36
> An: MyFaces Discussion
> Betreff: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
>
>
> Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
>
> I didn't try JSC so far - would the performance be better there? Any
> experiences?
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
> >
> > I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
> > large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
> > until after 10min.
> >
> > Is work being done on making this situation better?
> >
> > Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > > > MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> > > exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> > > (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> > > to anyone in earshot. :)
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Jurgen Lust <Ju...@UGent.be>.
This is a problem we had with OC4J as well, although it was the previous
version, 10.1.2.
When compared to JBoss, it would take a very, very long time to deploy
an application, especially when EJBs were involved, sometimes at least
10 times as long.
That's one of the main reasons we eventually switched back to Eclipse
and JBoss, even though JDeveloper does have nicer JSF features.
Jurgen
Martin Marinschek schreef:
> Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
>
> I didn't try JSC so far - would the performance be better there? Any
> experiences?
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
>>
>> I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
>> large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
>> until after 10min.
>>
>> Is work being done on making this situation better?
>>
>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
>>>> MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>>>>
>>> Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
>>> exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
>>> (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
>>> to anyone in earshot. :)
>>>
>>> -- Adam
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Legolas Woodland <le...@gmail.com>.
Martin Marinschek wrote:
> Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
>
> I didn't try JSC so far - would the performance be better there? Any
> experiences?
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
>
No performance is not better there.
you will hang for ever in case that you open a project with 200 jsp files.
best IDE that i saw for large projects is RAD (Rational application
developer) it handle a ~150 page Struts application easily.
I think using tomcat is far better in development time , it starts and
stops faster than any other Apps.
but you can use Tomcat if you have no EJB stuff...
> On 3/4/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
>>
>> I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
>> large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
>> until after 10min.
>>
>> Is work being done on making this situation better?
>>
>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
>>>> MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>>>>
>>> Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
>>> exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
>>> (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
>>> to anyone in earshot. :)
>>>
>>> -- Adam
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Thing = embedded OC4j in JDeveloper.
I didn't try JSC so far - would the performance be better there? Any
experiences?
regards,
Martin
On 3/4/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
>
> I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
> large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
> until after 10min.
>
> Is work being done on making this situation better?
>
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > > MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
> >
> > Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> > exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> > (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> > to anyone in earshot. :)
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Can you guys tell how well your IDEs would perform with large apps?
I was trying to get an app with 200 jspx files (admittedly, rather
large) up and running in JDeveloper, and the thing didn't start up
until after 10min.
Is work being done on making this situation better?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, too.
regards,
Martin
On 3/4/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> > MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>
> Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
> exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
> (and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
> to anyone in earshot. :)
>
> -- Adam
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 3/3/06, Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
Unfortunately not. Facelets has come on strong basically at
exactly the wrong point in the development cycle for JDeveloper
(and JSC too, I'd imagine). I'm certainly pushing Facelets
to anyone in earshot. :)
-- Adam
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Yee CN schrieb:
> Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
> MyEclipse – and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Yee
>
There is only one IDE I am aware of with some facelets support, and that
one is Exadel. Given the bumpy ride this IDE has given me I would
recommend to do some serious testing before using it.
(Most bugs revolved around a flakey WTP version they were using, but still)
Exadel itself is nice in its JSF editors but they had several versions
which were extremely problematic, in the past.
RE: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Yee CN <ye...@streamyx.com>.
Is there any supports for Facelets in JDeveloper or JSC? I am using
MyEclipse - and I am seriously looking for an alternative.
Regards,
Yee
_____
From: craigmcc@gmail.com [mailto:craigmcc@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Craig
McClanahan
Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 7:44 AM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
On 3/3/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why can't JSC just run the component and actually let it render
itself by default? I know that's what JDeveloper does, and
it works well.
Creator does that too, and it definitely works well ... the only *required*
additional code is a BeanInfo class (see the JavaBeans API) that lets the
component developer describe the component to the tool (for example,
declaring that for the "style" property, use the nice CSS Style editor
instead of just a string editor on the property sheet).
As a component developer (I've never worked on JDeveloper itself
at all, to be explicit), I really dislike the idea of writing a bunch of
extra Java code for all my components. Supporting optional Java
code when renderers can't render in design time (graphs, etc.) is
a great feature, but you shouldn't force component developers to
write anything for the common case.
Writing dynamic behavior is possible, but not required. It's up to the
component developer to decide if you want to make your component behave in
interesting ways at design time or not. Examples we have implemented in the
Creator components include:
* When you drop a Drop Down List component onto the page,
also create a helper bean for the options and bind the component
to it.
* When you have a Label component bound to an input component
via the "for" property, and you change the "id" of the input component,
respond to a property change event and change the "for" attribute
on the Label component as well so that it stays in sync.
* Do not allow a parameter (<f:param>) to be dropped except
in a context where it is relevant (such as inside an output link).
All of this stuff is optional, but provides you a way to improve the life of
the users of your compoinents at design time, without messing up how they
operate at run time.
By the way, the API we provide to component developers to make this possible
has also been submitted to the JCP process
(http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=273), so hopefully we can see a future
world where a component developer can write design time behavior like this
for more than one tool, instead of having to deal with each tool's
individual APIs.
-- Adam
Craig
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 3/3/06, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3/3/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why can't JSC just run the component and actually let it render
> > itself by default? I know that's what JDeveloper does, and
> > it works well.
>
>
> Creator does that too, and it definitely works well ... the only *required*
> additional code is a BeanInfo class (see the JavaBeans API) that lets the
> component developer describe the component to the tool (for example,
> declaring that for the "style" property, use the nice CSS Style editor
> instead of just a string editor on the property sheet).
>
>
> > As a component developer (I've never worked on JDeveloper itself
> > at all, to be explicit), I really dislike the idea of writing a bunch of
> > extra Java code for all my components. Supporting optional Java
> > code when renderers can't render in design time (graphs, etc.) is
> > a great feature, but you shouldn't force component developers to
> > write anything for the common case.
>
>
> Writing dynamic behavior is possible, but not required. It's up to the
> component developer to decide if you want to make your component behave in
> interesting ways at design time or not. Examples we have implemented in the
> Creator components include:
>
> * When you drop a Drop Down List component onto the page,
> also create a helper bean for the options and bind the component
> to it.
>
> * When you have a Label component bound to an input component
> via the "for" property, and you change the "id" of the input component,
> respond to a property change event and change the "for" attribute
> on the Label component as well so that it stays in sync.
>
> * Do not allow a parameter (<f:param>) to be dropped except
> in a context where it is relevant (such as inside an output link).
>
> All of this stuff is optional, but provides you a way to improve the life
> of the users of your compoinents at design time, without messing up how they
> operate at run time.
>
> By the way, the API we provide to component developers to make this
> possible has also been submitted to the JCP process
> (http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=273), so hopefully we can
> see a future world where a component developer can write design time
> behavior like this for more than one tool, instead of having to deal with
> each tool's individual APIs.
FYI, JSR 276 (http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=276) is a complimentary
JSR that takes a metadata-driven, JSF-specific approach, instead
of the Java code, generic JavaBean approach of 273. Both can
work together. (I kinda like 276 more; I'm guessing Craig likes
273 more. Just a hunch. ;) )
-- Adam
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 3/3/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why can't JSC just run the component and actually let it render
> itself by default? I know that's what JDeveloper does, and
> it works well.
Creator does that too, and it definitely works well ... the only *required*
additional code is a BeanInfo class (see the JavaBeans API) that lets the
component developer describe the component to the tool (for example,
declaring that for the "style" property, use the nice CSS Style editor
instead of just a string editor on the property sheet).
As a component developer (I've never worked on JDeveloper itself
> at all, to be explicit), I really dislike the idea of writing a bunch of
> extra Java code for all my components. Supporting optional Java
> code when renderers can't render in design time (graphs, etc.) is
> a great feature, but you shouldn't force component developers to
> write anything for the common case.
Writing dynamic behavior is possible, but not required. It's up to the
component developer to decide if you want to make your component behave in
interesting ways at design time or not. Examples we have implemented in the
Creator components include:
* When you drop a Drop Down List component onto the page,
also create a helper bean for the options and bind the component
to it.
* When you have a Label component bound to an input component
via the "for" property, and you change the "id" of the input component,
respond to a property change event and change the "for" attribute
on the Label component as well so that it stays in sync.
* Do not allow a parameter (<f:param>) to be dropped except
in a context where it is relevant (such as inside an output link).
All of this stuff is optional, but provides you a way to improve the life of
the users of your compoinents at design time, without messing up how they
operate at run time.
By the way, the API we provide to component developers to make this possible
has also been submitted to the JCP process (
http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=273), so hopefully we can see a future world
where a component developer can write design time behavior like this for
more than one tool, instead of having to deal with each tool's individual
APIs.
-- Adam
Craig
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Why can't JSC just run the component and actually let it render
itself by default? I know that's what JDeveloper does, and
it works well.
As a component developer (I've never worked on JDeveloper itself
at all, to be explicit), I really dislike the idea of writing a bunch of
extra Java code for all my components. Supporting optional Java
code when renderers can't render in design time (graphs, etc.) is
a great feature, but you shouldn't force component developers to
write anything for the common case.
-- Adam
On 3/3/06, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 3/3/06, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
> > Craig McClanahan schrieb:
> >
> > > Dealing with this issue is one of the things I definitely want to
> > > participate in here. The Creator team is finishing up some tutorials on
> > > this that will help, and I'm doing the same thing in Shale to integrate
> > > the couple of non-visual components it has (subview, token, and Commons
> > > Validator) too.
> > >
> > Craig, I have not looked to deeply into the issue yet, but would it
> > theoretically be possible to generate some boilerplate code via codegens
> > which at least could handle the components to a neutral visual level?
> >
> >
> It is possible to use code generation for the BeanInfo classes (we've done
> it both ways), but the DesignInfo classes (the ones that actually provide
> behavior) are hand crafted anyway.
>
> There are also some characteristics of the component and renderer
> themselves that make for a better design time experience -- this is what
> we'll be covering in the documentation.
>
> Craig
>
>
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 3/3/06, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
>
> Craig McClanahan schrieb:
>
> > Dealing with this issue is one of the things I definitely want to
> > participate in here. The Creator team is finishing up some tutorials on
> > this that will help, and I'm doing the same thing in Shale to integrate
> > the couple of non-visual components it has (subview, token, and Commons
> > Validator) too.
> >
> Craig, I have not looked to deeply into the issue yet, but would it
> theoretically be possible to generate some boilerplate code via codegens
> which at least could handle the components to a neutral visual level?
>
> It is possible to use code generation for the BeanInfo classes (we've done
it both ways), but the DesignInfo classes (the ones that actually provide
behavior) are hand crafted anyway.
There are also some characteristics of the component and renderer themselves
that make for a better design time experience -- this is what we'll be
covering in the documentation.
Craig
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Craig McClanahan schrieb:
> Dealing with this issue is one of the things I definitely want to
> participate in here. The Creator team is finishing up some tutorials on
> this that will help, and I'm doing the same thing in Shale to integrate
> the couple of non-visual components it has (subview, token, and Commons
> Validator) too.
>
Craig, I have not looked to deeply into the issue yet, but would it
theoretically be possible to generate some boilerplate code via codegens
which at least could handle the components to a neutral visual level?
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 3/2/06, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
>
> Mike Duffy schrieb:
> > Thx Werner.
> >
> > Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> Not viusally yet, the problem is, that the JSC needs some additional
> classes and config files which handle the visual part (actually most if
> not all IDEs do)
> nobody has done that yet, you however can use it on source level by
> simply adding the appropriate jars and tag entries, you will however get
> no visual representation.
Dealing with this issue is one of the things I definitely want to
participate in here. The Creator team is finishing up some tutorials on
this that will help, and I'm doing the same thing in Shale to integrate the
couple of non-visual components it has (subview, token, and Commons
Validator) too.
Craig
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Mike Duffy <md...@yahoo.com>.
Darn.....
Does JSC have a component library that compares favorably with ADF Faces?
Mike
--- Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
> Mike Duffy schrieb:
> > Thx Werner.
> >
> > Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> Not viusally yet, the problem is, that the JSC needs some additional
> classes and config files which handle the visual part (actually most if
> not all IDEs do)
> nobody has done that yet, you however can use it on source level by
> simply adding the appropriate jars and tag entries, you will however get
> no visual representation.
>
>
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Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Mike Duffy schrieb:
> Thx Werner.
>
> Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
>
> Mike
>
Not viusally yet, the problem is, that the JSC needs some additional
classes and config files which handle the visual part (actually most if
not all IDEs do)
nobody has done that yet, you however can use it on source level by
simply adding the appropriate jars and tag entries, you will however get
no visual representation.
Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Legolas Woodland <le...@gmail.com>.
Mike Duffy wrote:
> Thx Werner.
>
> Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
>
> Mike
>
>
It does not support MyFaces and Tomahawk in its designer.
so you can not import them into JSC and use them in its page designer ,
until you make some required files that represent each myfaces component
in design time.
it name is compLib , maybe Carig can explain more
> --- Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
>
>
>> Well studio creator2 only covers the client side aspects
>> currently, jdeveloper is a full blown enterprise ide, with ejb3
>> support case tools etc...
>>
>> studio creator follows the absolut layout via css approach.
>> Both ides use heavily their own component sets (well parts of ADF have
>> been opensourced)
>>
>> The Studio Creator relies on a generic data model interface and JDBC
>> currently for data access while jdeveloper meshes to a big degree with
>> the underlying adf foundation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Duffy schrieb:
>>
>>> Oracle came to the Austin JUG on Tuesday night and gave a very cool presentation on JDeveloper
>>>
>> for
>>
>>> JSF development.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any thoughts on how JDeveloper compares with Sun's Java Studio Creator?
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any links for objective third party comparisons?
>>>
>>> Are there any other choices that should be seriously considered.
>>>
>>> Thx.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Mike Duffy <md...@yahoo.com>.
Thx Werner.
Do you know if Java Studio Creator supports MyFaces and Tomahawk?
Mike
--- Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:
> Well studio creator2 only covers the client side aspects
> currently, jdeveloper is a full blown enterprise ide, with ejb3
> support case tools etc...
>
> studio creator follows the absolut layout via css approach.
> Both ides use heavily their own component sets (well parts of ADF have
> been opensourced)
>
> The Studio Creator relies on a generic data model interface and JDBC
> currently for data access while jdeveloper meshes to a big degree with
> the underlying adf foundation.
>
>
>
>
> Mike Duffy schrieb:
> > Oracle came to the Austin JUG on Tuesday night and gave a very cool presentation on JDeveloper
> for
> > JSF development.
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on how JDeveloper compares with Sun's Java Studio Creator?
> >
> > Does anyone have any links for objective third party comparisons?
> >
> > Are there any other choices that should be seriously considered.
> >
> > Thx.
> >
> > Mike
> >
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Re: How Does JDeveloper Compare with Java Studio Creator
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Well studio creator2 only covers the client side aspects
currently, jdeveloper is a full blown enterprise ide, with ejb3
support case tools etc...
studio creator follows the absolut layout via css approach.
Both ides use heavily their own component sets (well parts of ADF have
been opensourced)
The Studio Creator relies on a generic data model interface and JDBC
currently for data access while jdeveloper meshes to a big degree with
the underlying adf foundation.
Mike Duffy schrieb:
> Oracle came to the Austin JUG on Tuesday night and gave a very cool presentation on JDeveloper for
> JSF development.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on how JDeveloper compares with Sun's Java Studio Creator?
>
> Does anyone have any links for objective third party comparisons?
>
> Are there any other choices that should be seriously considered.
>
> Thx.
>
> Mike
>
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