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"Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere
(incubating) as a TLP)
This is not the first time “Fork Me” came up, but I don’t think there’s been a clear consensus on the topic.
I think it’s an important topic, so I’m starting a new discussion.
It seems to me that the concern with using “Fork Me” is that it’s somehow promoting unofficial releases. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
To me, “Fork Me” is not suggesting that users should use unofficial releases, but rather “please fork the source code on GitHub, so you can easily contribute”.
I think that’s a very different message.
My personal opinion is that “Fork Me” should be allowed anywhere on a project site because it can help build add contributions which builds the community.
Thoughts?
Harbs
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep it.
>
>
> You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> adopted by many Apache projects.
>
> Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF
> distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed
> or clarified.
>
>
>
This isn't an infra issue. Infra is completely indifferent on the matter.
As a member of the brand committee, I don't think it's a brand issue
either.
--David
Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Juan Pan <pa...@apache.org>.
Hi
Thanks for your `Congrats`. And best wished to our graduation. :)
Juan Pan (Trista)
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panjuan@apache.org
On 03/29/2020 17:42，Harbs<ha...@gmail.com> wrote：
Sure. I understand that. I have no issue with what happened with the graduating project. (hence the new thread) Congrats on that!!! :-)
I’ll leave this here for a couple of days to give folks a chance to respond. If folks think that this should continue on board@ then we can do that.
Cheers,
Harbs
On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
Hi,
I suggest you take this up with the board, as it is perhaps time to revisit it. The trademark email BTW was directly related to this graduation and the GitHub link, the project went further and removed company logos from another page as well.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Sure. I understand that. I have no issue with what happened with the graduating project. (hence the new thread) Congrats on that!!! :-)
I’ll leave this here for a couple of days to give folks a chance to respond. If folks think that this should continue on board@ then we can do that.
Cheers,
Harbs
> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I suggest you take this up with the board, as it is perhaps time to revisit it. The trademark email BTW was directly related to this graduation and the GitHub link, the project went further and removed company logos from another page as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
I suggest you take this up with the board, as it is perhaps time to revisit it. The trademark email BTW was directly related to this graduation and the GitHub link, the project went further and removed company logos from another page as well.
Thanks,
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
FWIW, this is the only thing I found on (private) press@ https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/439a22a02f6200a106e4d209f401d98f9223c72df08ba8ea1d07f7ba%401418715959%40%3Cpress.apache.org%3E <https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/439a22a02f6200a106e4d209f401d98f9223c72df08ba8ea1d07f7ba@1418715959@%3Cpress.apache.org%3E>
As far as I can tell, the action item on this stalled and the whole topic was never completely resolved.
Thanks,
Harbs
> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The discussion on trademarks is about general sponsor links. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with “Fork Me”.
>
> I read the thread on board@ and I looked at the notes in the agenda from 2014_12_17.
>
> I don’t see a consensus that Fork Me is not allowed. I do see a consensus that it’s not preferred. I do see that Wicket removed it. Other projects still have it. I do see a preference to have an alternate ribbon which doesn’t have the words “GitHub”, but has the same behavior. I’m not sure if any such ribbon was ever created. Justin, you mention something Sally mocked up, but I couldn’t find that. Do you have a link?
>
> If an alternate ribbon was created, that should be recommended instead of making a blanket statement that “Fork Me” is not allowed.
>
> My $0.02,
> Harbs
>
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
>> recommendation from trademarks.
>>
>> I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
>> have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
>> aware of the policy.
>>
>> I think "fork me on GitHub" is less contentious than it was 5 years
>> ago, so whatever was decided then will suffice for now.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
>>>
>>> Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.
>>>
>>> Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
The discussion on trademarks is about general sponsor links. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with “Fork Me”.
I read the thread on board@ and I looked at the notes in the agenda from 2014_12_17.
I don’t see a consensus that Fork Me is not allowed. I do see a consensus that it’s not preferred. I do see that Wicket removed it. Other projects still have it. I do see a preference to have an alternate ribbon which doesn’t have the words “GitHub”, but has the same behavior. I’m not sure if any such ribbon was ever created. Justin, you mention something Sally mocked up, but I couldn’t find that. Do you have a link?
If an alternate ribbon was created, that should be recommended instead of making a blanket statement that “Fork Me” is not allowed.
My $0.02,
Harbs
> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
> recommendation from trademarks.
>
> I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
> have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
> aware of the policy.
>
> I think "fork me on GitHub" is less contentious than it was 5 years
> ago, so whatever was decided then will suffice for now.
>
> Julian
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
>>
>> Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.
>>
>> Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
>>
>> Thanks
>> Justin
>>
>> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
recommendation from trademarks.
I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
aware of the policy.
I think "fork me on GitHub" is less contentious than it was 5 years
ago, so whatever was decided then will suffice for now.
Julian
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
>
> Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.
>
> Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
>
> Thanks
> Justin
>
> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.
Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
Thanks
Justin
1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@gmail.com>.
I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
Therefore it’s down to projects’ discretion how they promote themselves. (Consistent with branding policy etc.)
Unless and until the board speaks I don’t think we need to tell projects (or polling) what to do.
Julian
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was wondering what the best place for this discussion would be. I couldn’t really think of a better place than incubator.
>
> I considered starting the discussion on board@ or members@, but I didn’t want another private discussion. Not sure about infra and I don’t know how many folks follow that list. It doesn’t seem like an infra question.
>
> Maybe a branding discussion? Maybe comdev?
>
> I figured incubator is as good a place as any, and the discussion was triggered from here. Dunno.
>
> If anyone has a strong preference to move it somewhere else, that’s fine with me.
>
> Thanks,
> Harbs
>
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more adopted by many Apache projects.
>>
>> Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed or clarified.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
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Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
I was wondering what the best place for this discussion would be. I couldn’t really think of a better place than incubator.
I considered starting the discussion on board@ or members@, but I didn’t want another private discussion. Not sure about infra and I don’t know how many folks follow that list. It doesn’t seem like an infra question.
Maybe a branding discussion? Maybe comdev?
I figured incubator is as good a place as any, and the discussion was triggered from here. Dunno.
If anyone has a strong preference to move it somewhere else, that’s fine with me.
Thanks,
Harbs
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more adopted by many Apache projects.
>
> Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed or clarified.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more adopted by many Apache projects.
Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed or clarified.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
>> I suggest:
>> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
>> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
>> corporate independence principle)
>> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
>> c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
>> points to their .apache.org URL
>
> +1 all good suggestions.
>
>> I think this information belongs to
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
>
> And a good place to put it.
That page is from the Brand committee. I you want to make changes then you need to take it there.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> I suggest:
> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> corporate independence principle)
> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
> c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
> points to their .apache.org URL
+1 all good suggestions.
> I think this information belongs to
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
And a good place to put it.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Juan Pan <pa...@apache.org>.
Hi Bertrand,
That sounds a better way to promote the community aligning with Apache rules. Thanks. :-)
Cheers,
Trista
Juan Pan (Trista)
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panjuan@apache.org
On 03/31/2020 16:20，Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@codeconsult.ch> wrote：
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be to remove “GitHub” from the link...
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork...
Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
attribute on the link to GitHub.
I suggest:
a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
(because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
corporate independence principle)
b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
points to their .apache.org URL
I think this information belongs to
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
place.
If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
trademarks@
-Bertrand
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
There's probably a designer who can make this into a feather or a
octofeather...
http://tholman.com/github-corners/
Martijn
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:05 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds good to me.
>
> If there’s agreement on this, I’d suggest someone come up with some CSS
> which can be popped into project sites similar to what GitHub offers for
> their banners. (I’m not very good at CSS myself…) ;-)
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems
> to be to remove “GitHub” from the link...
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
> >> members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level
> fork...
> >
> > Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
> > think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
> > attribute on the link to GitHub.
> >
> > I suggest:
> > a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> > (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> > corporate independence principle)
> > b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to
> GitHub
> > c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
> > points to their .apache.org URL
> >
> > I think this information belongs to
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
> > find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
> > strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
> > place.
> >
> > If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
> > trademarks@
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good to me.
If there’s agreement on this, I’d suggest someone come up with some CSS which can be popped into project sites similar to what GitHub offers for their banners. (I’m not very good at CSS myself…) ;-)
Harbs
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be to remove “GitHub” from the link...
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
>> members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork...
>
> Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
> think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
> attribute on the link to GitHub.
>
> I suggest:
> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> corporate independence principle)
> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
> c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
> points to their .apache.org URL
>
> I think this information belongs to
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
> find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
> strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
> place.
>
> If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
> trademarks@
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
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Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be to remove “GitHub” from the link...
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
> members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork...
Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
attribute on the link to GitHub.
I suggest:
a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
(because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
corporate independence principle)
b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
points to their .apache.org URL
I think this information belongs to
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
place.
If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
trademarks@
-Bertrand
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork -
meaning creating a new community out of an existing project. Whereas the
fork on github is really about raising pull requests Paul is mentioning.
We should have no issue with projects having the "fork me on github"
anywhere since it doesn't mean they're encouraging creating a new project.
also my 0.02.
John
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:27 AM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
> I would think it is almost ubiquitous now for developers to know that the
> easiest way for them to create a PR for instance is to fork the project
> (the source code if you like) on Github.
>
> It seems sensible to encourage the use of "Fork me on Github" as it
> substantially lowers the barrier of newcomers to our projects but it would
> seem prudent to ensure that the links are made low key so as not to appear
> like banner ads. Other ways to contribute should be given equal prominence.
>
> Just my 2c.
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:27 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a
> > shame the discussion was on a private list.
> >
> > Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.
> >
> > It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make
> > contributing easier and the “advertisement” is secondary.
> >
> > I don’t really see the concern for using unreleased code any more than
> > having a link to the Apache repos.
> >
> > The fact is that GitHub has become the defacto place where much of the
> > development is being done on many projects.
> >
> > The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be
> > to remove “GitHub” from the link.
> >
> > I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> > discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> > adopted by many Apache projects.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Harbs
> >
> > > On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity
> > that conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board
> > action item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github”
> ribbon
> > is no longer on the front page of the project in question.
> > >
> > > Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some
> > confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear
> if
> > this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the
> > front page.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > 1.
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au>.
I would think it is almost ubiquitous now for developers to know that the
easiest way for them to create a PR for instance is to fork the project
(the source code if you like) on Github.
It seems sensible to encourage the use of "Fork me on Github" as it
substantially lowers the barrier of newcomers to our projects but it would
seem prudent to ensure that the links are made low key so as not to appear
like banner ads. Other ways to contribute should be given equal prominence.
Just my 2c.
Cheers, Paul.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:27 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a
> shame the discussion was on a private list.
>
> Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.
>
> It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make
> contributing easier and the “advertisement” is secondary.
>
> I don’t really see the concern for using unreleased code any more than
> having a link to the Apache repos.
>
> The fact is that GitHub has become the defacto place where much of the
> development is being done on many projects.
>
> The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be
> to remove “GitHub” from the link.
>
> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> adopted by many Apache projects.
>
> Thanks,
> Harbs
>
> > On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity
> that conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board
> action item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon
> is no longer on the front page of the project in question.
> >
> > Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some
> confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear if
> this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the
> front page.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1.
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a shame the discussion was on a private list.
Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.
It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make contributing easier and the “advertisement” is secondary.
I don’t really see the concern for using unreleased code any more than having a link to the Apache repos.
The fact is that GitHub has become the defacto place where much of the development is being done on many projects.
The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be to remove “GitHub” from the link.
I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more adopted by many Apache projects.
Thanks,
Harbs
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity that conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board action item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon is no longer on the front page of the project in question.
>
> Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear if this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the front page.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity that conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board action item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon is no longer on the front page of the project in question.
Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear if this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the front page.
Thanks,
Justin
1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
In this particular case it could be seen as a) advertising a commercial entity on an ASF’s project front page (using their marketing slogan) b) encouraging users (who may not understand the consequences) to use unreleased code rather than using the officially released downloads.
I think it fine, and I don’t think anyone would have an issues with, links to GitHub in other places or when context is given, on a projects "how to contribute" or "developer page" would be best place.
Thanks,
Justin
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