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Posted to general@xerces.apache.org by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org> on 2000/02/02 11:20:52 UTC
SAX2 Beta Support...
Is anyone interested in supporting SAX2 Beta (the new release that
just came out)... Do you have any plans?
Pier
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
Andy Clark wrote:
>
> As Mike said, I'm going to be adding support for SAX2beta this
> week. We held up our build and release to get this feature in.
> Expect it "real soon now".
Lovely :) Thank you sooooo much :)
Pier
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Andy Clark <an...@apache.org>.
Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
> Is anyone interested in supporting SAX2 Beta (the new release that
> just came out)... Do you have any plans?
As Mike said, I'm going to be adding support for SAX2beta this
week. We held up our build and release to get this feature in.
Expect it "real soon now".
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
Wong Kok Wai wrote:
>
> > Is anyone interested in supporting SAX2 Beta (the new release that
> > just came out)... Do you have any plans?
>
> Are you saying implementation plans?
Yes... what other kind of plans could I be interested in? :) :)
Pier
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Re: SAX2 and DOM...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
Andy Clark wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, there are currently features in DOM that are
> not possible to build via SAX2 callbacks. And I would guess
> that this separation will only increase over time as the
> various DOM specifications are developed.
> [...]
Point.... :) A good one...
Agreed
Pier
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Re: SAX2 and DOM...
Posted by Andy Clark <an...@apache.org>.
Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
> Since with SAX 2.0 we'll be able to fully build a DOM, what about
> "dropping" the current DOMParser and SAXParser, keeping just one of them
> (the SAX one) and relying on a SAX-to-DOM to get the documents?
> I don't know how DOM level 2 and 3 would fit in this picture, but, as
> far as I'm concerned (DOM1) this is more than possible...
Unfortunately, there are currently features in DOM that are
not possible to build via SAX2 callbacks. And I would guess
that this separation will only increase over time as the
various DOM specifications are developed.
For example, how would you use SAX2 callbacks to put general
entity references in attribute values of DOM elements? (We
don't actually have the capability to do this now -- but we
should!) And when DOM Level 3 handles grammar access, what
SAX2 calls are going to allow this to be generated? We would
need a SAX3, SAX4, and so on just to keep up with DOM
compliance.
For more examples from DOM Level 1, think about default
attribute values. Where does SAX2 allow the handler to know
what these are so that the DOM behaves correctly when
editing an element's attributes? org.xml.sax.Attributes
doesn't even tell you if the attribute was specified or
defaulted from the grammar.
I would say that DOM and SAX are different enough to argue
for keeping them separate. Just because you can build a
subset of the DOM from SAX2 callbacks doesn't mean that we
should restrict all DOM trees to be constructed this way
using our parser.
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Re: SAX2 and DOM...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
Paul Prescod wrote:
>
> Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
> >
>
> > Since with SAX 2.0 we'll be able to fully build a DOM, what about
> > "dropping" the current DOMParser and SAXParser, keeping just one of them
> > (the SAX one) and relying on a SAX-to-DOM to get the documents?
>
> I strongly support this idea. It will be useful to be able to build DOMs
> from the results of filters and XSLT transforms. This is doable if the
> DOM Builder is just another SAX event consumer.
It's working right now in SAX1, but in SAX1 I can't deal w/ stuff like
CDATA and Comments... SAX2 adds this capability, so, as soon as Xerces
will support the new SAX2 APIs, I'll convert my classes and place
them....
WHERE??? Package? (org.apache.xerces.dom? org.apache.xml.tools?)
Pier
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Re: SAX2 and DOM...
Posted by Paul Prescod <pa...@prescod.net>.
Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
>
> Since with SAX 2.0 we'll be able to fully build a DOM, what about
> "dropping" the current DOMParser and SAXParser, keeping just one of them
> (the SAX one) and relying on a SAX-to-DOM to get the documents?
I strongly support this idea. It will be useful to be able to build DOMs
from the results of filters and XSLT transforms. This is doable if the
DOM Builder is just another SAX event consumer.
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SAX2 and DOM...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
I have an idea...
I already have some classes doing SAX-to-DOM translation, and
I'm currently in the process of bringing them from SAX version 1 to
version 2.
Since with SAX 2.0 we'll be able to fully build a DOM, what about
"dropping" the current DOMParser and SAXParser, keeping just one of them
(the SAX one) and relying on a SAX-to-DOM to get the documents?
I don't know how DOM level 2 and 3 would fit in this picture, but, as
far as I'm concerned (DOM1) this is more than possible...
Pier
BTW... I made some speed tests on Xerces, and I must say that
performances are G.R.E.A.T. I always knew that Xerces was fast, but not
THAT fast (basically 90% of the time spent in parsing is I/O, processing
the XML data is just 10%). Congratulations go to all the team... (I had
to say that!)
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
Mike Pogue wrote:
>
> I don't know how long it will take, but Andy told me "not too long".
Yep... I thought so... I was about thinking doing it myself if nobody
wanted to do it... They simple "rescrambled" all the methods from
the alpha version in new and better intelligent interfaces...
> Everybody should be aware that the SAX2 spec is still not final, so it
> could (and probably will) change again.
I hope so... The idea of a SAXFilter is good... But why that should
extend and XMLReader is still a little bit fuzzy :)
Pier
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Mike Pogue wrote:
>
> I don't know how long it will take, but Andy told me "not too long".
> Everybody should be aware that the SAX2 spec is still not final, so it
> could
> (and probably will) change again.
FYI, I've contacted David Megginson and he said that he's going to
create a couple of factory classes to make creation simpler and more
OO-clean, but rather than this, the API should remain the same.
So, I'd suggest Andy to go straight to what we have now... adding
factories is a 5 minutes thing.
Stefano.
Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Mike Pogue <mp...@apache.org>.
I don't know how long it will take, but Andy told me "not too long".
Everybody should be aware that the SAX2 spec is still not final, so it
could
(and probably will) change again.
Mike
Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
>
> Mike Pogue wrote:
> >
> > Yes, SAX2 just updated on Monday (or over last weekend).
> > I think Andy Clark is looking at updating to the latest spec right away
> > (before the next Big Release).
>
> Wow... That was fast :) Thank you Mike :) I'll ask Assaf to patch the
> serializers code too, then we can ship the whole new implementation.
>
> Pier (happy!)
>
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pi...@apache.org>.
Mike Pogue wrote:
>
> Yes, SAX2 just updated on Monday (or over last weekend).
> I think Andy Clark is looking at updating to the latest spec right away
> (before the next Big Release).
Wow... That was fast :) Thank you Mike :) I'll ask Assaf to patch the
serializers code too, then we can ship the whole new implementation.
Pier (happy!)
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Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Mike Pogue <mp...@apache.org>.
Yes, SAX2 just updated on Monday (or over last weekend).
I think Andy Clark is looking at updating to the latest spec right away
(before
the next Big Release).
Mike
Wong Kok Wai wrote:
>
> Are you saying implementation plans?
>
> Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
>
> > Is anyone interested in supporting SAX2 Beta (the new release that
> > just came out)... Do you have any plans?
> >
> > Pier
> >
Re: SAX2 Beta Support...
Posted by Wong Kok Wai <wo...@pacific.net.sg>.
Are you saying implementation plans?
Pierpaolo Fumagalli wrote:
> Is anyone interested in supporting SAX2 Beta (the new release that
> just came out)... Do you have any plans?
>
> Pier
>