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“Choosing Your Java Web Framework” by Richard Pack from salesforce.com
He is comparing tapestry,wicket grails and gwt
http://bit.ly/jwf-2011
also a blog about comparison
http://www.shaunabram.com/javaone-web-frameworks/
Re: “Choosing Your Java Web Framework” by Richard Pack from salesforce.com
Posted by Sigbjørn Tvedt <si...@gmail.com>.
The list already exists at http://tapestry.apache.org/applications.html
The link can be found at the bottom of the tapestry homepage.
/Sigbjørn Tvedt
On 11 October 2011 16:55, Jon Williams <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My 3 cents.
> A complete list of companies & sites that use Tapestry 5 would be very
> useful.
>
> Joon
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Robert Zeigler <
> robert.zeigler@roxanemy.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Disappointing. He mentions T5 in the beginning, but his example is
> > definitely /not/ T5.
> >
> > Also, his list of examples of companies that use Tapestry was sadly
> > incomplete. Major sites like the oxford dictionary online, for instance,
> > were missing.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2011, at 10/114:00 AM , Igor Drobiazko wrote:
> >
> > > According to Richard's slides Tapestry 4, not Tapestry 5, has been
> > covered.
> > > What a shame.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, CPC <ac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> He is comparing tapestry,wicket grails and gwt
> > >> http://bit.ly/jwf-2011 <https://bit.ly/jwf-2011>
> > >>
> > >> also a blog about comparison
> > >> http://www.shaunabram.com/javaone-web-frameworks/
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Igor Drobiazko
> > > http://tapestry5.de
> >
> >
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>
Re: “Choosing Your Java Web Framework” by Richard Pack from salesforce.com
Posted by Jon Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
My 3 cents.
A complete list of companies & sites that use Tapestry 5 would be very
useful.
Joon
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Robert Zeigler <robert.zeigler@roxanemy.com
> wrote:
> Disappointing. He mentions T5 in the beginning, but his example is
> definitely /not/ T5.
>
> Also, his list of examples of companies that use Tapestry was sadly
> incomplete. Major sites like the oxford dictionary online, for instance,
> were missing.
>
> Robert
>
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 10/114:00 AM , Igor Drobiazko wrote:
>
> > According to Richard's slides Tapestry 4, not Tapestry 5, has been
> covered.
> > What a shame.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, CPC <ac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> He is comparing tapestry,wicket grails and gwt
> >> http://bit.ly/jwf-2011
> >>
> >> also a blog about comparison
> >> http://www.shaunabram.com/javaone-web-frameworks/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Igor Drobiazko
> > http://tapestry5.de
>
>
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Re: “Choosing Your Java Web Framework” by Richard Pack from salesforce.com
Posted by Robert Zeigler <ro...@roxanemy.com>.
Disappointing. He mentions T5 in the beginning, but his example is definitely /not/ T5.
Also, his list of examples of companies that use Tapestry was sadly incomplete. Major sites like the oxford dictionary online, for instance, were missing.
Robert
On Oct 11, 2011, at 10/114:00 AM , Igor Drobiazko wrote:
> According to Richard's slides Tapestry 4, not Tapestry 5, has been covered.
> What a shame.
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, CPC <ac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He is comparing tapestry,wicket grails and gwt
>> http://bit.ly/jwf-2011
>>
>> also a blog about comparison
>> http://www.shaunabram.com/javaone-web-frameworks/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Igor Drobiazko
> http://tapestry5.de
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Re: “Choosing Your Java Web Framework” by Richard Pack from salesforce.com
Posted by Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com>.
According to Richard's slides Tapestry 4, not Tapestry 5, has been covered.
What a shame.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, CPC <ac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He is comparing tapestry,wicket grails and gwt
> http://bit.ly/jwf-2011
>
> also a blog about comparison
> http://www.shaunabram.com/javaone-web-frameworks/
>
--
Best regards,
Igor Drobiazko
http://tapestry5.de
Re: “Choosing Your Java Web Framework” by Richard Pack from salesforce.com
Posted by lprimak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>.
As Phil McKinney of Killer Innovations podcast once said,
"Status Quo" is the innovation's #1 killer.
In order to keep innovating, sometimes you have to disregard the status quo.
When I started using Tablestry about one year ago, the only negative thing
I heard about it is that it's incompatible from version to version.
Believe it! That's indeed the only thing I heard!
Tapestry has a marketing challenge here, indeed.
So, let not the Status Quo kill another, if a minor, marketing innovation.
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
> I would vote -1 on any sweeping, incompatible change. I would vote -1
> on simply naming it Tapestry 6.0. I think the community will accept
> minor hiccups, but change package names or other whole scale revisions
> are not on the table. Yes, there's a ton of minor things I would fix
> if I was starting from scratch AGAIN. No, I will not do that.
>
> If you notice in 5.3, there idea that you can contribute objects of
> the wrong type and have the TypeCoercer fix them is huge. We need more
> of that. We need to find ways to change and rename interfaces without
> breaking contributions & overrides.
>
> To keep Tapestry relevant we need:
> - A much improved client-side / Ajax story
> - We have the foundation for this, I expect to do much more work in
> 5.4
> - API stability
> - The IoC container really helps here, by having many small
> interfaces and DI magic to wire it all together
> - Marketing & Documentation
>
> Taha and Igor have been leading the way with more blog posts; Bob &
> folks have been leading the way with all the great work on
> documentation. But we need more of that. We need lots of *users*
> posting about Tapestry, not just the committers.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:12 AM, CPC <achalil@> wrote:
>> What is howard opinion? having a major version which is backward
>> compatible
>> would be good as perception and js compatibility layer is a good target.
>> On Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM, "Igor Drobiazko" <igor.drobiazko@>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> C'mon. We don't need Tapestry 6. Tapestry 5.0 was release almost three
>>> years
>>> ago. Since than we released 5.1, 5.2 and are just about to release 5.3.
>>> Isn't it a proof that Tapestry team cares about framework's stability?
>>> People who are still bashing Tapestry for being backward incompatible
>>> are
>>> loosing their credibility. They go to conferences and talk about stuff
>>> they
>>> have absolutely no idea about.
>>>
>>> I believe that Tapestry 6 release would cause a lot of rummors and would
>>> harm more. Also note that our packages are org.apache.tapestry5.*.
>>> Releasing
>>> Tapestry 6 would mean renaming packages which would break any existing
>>> app.
>>> Why shall we do that?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Lenny Primak <lprimak@.ny
> >> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > I agree 100%. Let's go tapestry 6.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:08 PM, "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <
>>> > thiagohp@> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:43:15 -0300, Bob Harner <bobharner@>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Sadly, I suppose the compatibility issue will stay in peoples'
>>> minds
>>> > >> until, years from now, Tapestry 6 comes out and is fully compatible
>>> > >> with Tapestry 5.9. Or, hey, maybe 5.4 should be named 6.0 just for
>>> > >> that reason :-) ... kidding, of course.
>>> > >
>>> > > Kidding? I think it's a good idea, definitely worth of being
>>> discussed.
>>> > ;) Even having great, big advancements in documentation, Tapestry is a
>>> way
>>> > better framework than its own marketing IMHO . . .
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>>> > > Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant,
>>> developer,
>>> > and instructor
>>> > > Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
>>> > > http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Igor Drobiazko
>>> http://tapestry5.de
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
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>
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